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Interesting that they avoided U.S. courts.

Mannheim is very very fast venue - something like a year, maybe less. And the defendant can't argue the patent is invalid (they need to do that in a separate, slower action).

The US courts are pro Apple.
 
1) Have you not seen the comparison between the Samsung phone and the iPhone?

2) We even have sales people telling customers the Samsung phone is "like an iPhone"..

1) I own both.

They are rectangular and have icons on home screens.

There's only so much one can do with smart phone styling.

It's not like Apples on the verge of going out of business.

Much ado over nothing.

Like a teenage bully, Apples beyond stupid.


2) You actually believe clueless sales people?
 
This happens all the time, and usually results in the plaintiff paying less for the stuff they're buying from that vendor.
The likely outcome is that Apple will not pay a dime in fines. There's a small chance that they would be fined a nominal amount, a slap on the wrist.

Then Apple has the leverage to walk away from Samsung as a supplier, but Samsung needs Apple's business so they will underbid competitors resulting in a net gain for Apple.

Samsung's smartest course of action probably would have been to work with whatever terms Apple had been offering before legal action ensued.

My guess is that this is more of the supply chain/operations genius of Tim Cook. When the smoke clears, we will probably see a fresh-looking Apple shake the hand of a bruised and bloodied Samsung, then turn around and walk away with large sacks of money saying, "we will talk again later."
 
Even more entertaining is the fact that Apple is so arrogant they fail to realize how stupid they look.

Suing their biggest vendor.

It doesn't get any more stupid than that.

Do you honestly think Apple don't know what they're doing? They're the most successful company in tech today. And they got there by doing virtually the opposite of what everyone else is. Seems they've got the technology game (including the litigation game) all figured out.

Samsung doesn't have consumers on their side. Apple does. Samsung doesn't make the hottest products in tech. Apple does. Samsung make internals. That's a mater of logistics.

Whoever has the consumers attracts business. And consumers are tripping over each other to get Apple gear.

Besides, these phone patents have nothing to do with supply agreements, nor will they have any effect on supply agreements, so you can stop *wishing* that it will.

Even if you want to court insanity and assume one will affect the other, Apple has an insane amount of leverage, rendering Samsung as just another supplier among several. In terms of meeting Apple's capacity needs, Apple always has a plan B. It's safe to assume they've got one now. They're pretty untouchable when it comes to planning ahead. Sometimes they can't anticipate just how insane the demand is for their products, but a lot of companies would love to have that problem.
 
Several reasons. It's very fast - Mannheim is about a year, and Dusseldorf about two. You can't raise invalidity of the patent as a defense. You have to very early in the case explain your theory of non-infringement, etc. The system works very differently than the U.S.

How so? (not saying you're wrong, I'm genuinely curious)
As cmaier said, the Court system works very different in Germany and the other german speaking countries such as Austria or Switzerland.
A lawsuit takes a very long time.
Also a precedent is not working the same as in the US here.
 
Even more entertaining is the fact that Apple is so arrogant they fail to realize how stupid they look.

Suing their biggest vendor.

It doesn't get any more stupid than that.

They're not suing them to make money, or protect their patents.
It's the trademark they are protecting. They'll probably lose in court, but win outside of it.
 
They're not suing them to make money, or protect their patents.
It's the trademark they are protecting. They'll probably lose in court, but win outside of it.

Apple sued on 7 utility and 3 design patents, plus the trademarks.
 
The ITC staff just ruled against them, they lost the famous case against MS, they ended up paying Apple Corps, etc.

What have they actually WON?

Record-breaking quarters and the position as the trend-setter in consumer tech.

These legal skirmishes haven't and won't result in any major untoward changes to Apple products. We all know this already.
 
Even more entertaining is the fact that Apple is so arrogant they fail to realize how stupid they look.

Suing their biggest vendor.

It doesn't get any more stupid than that.

yeah, apple are stupid....they havnt got a clue what they are doing have they... :rolleyes:
 
Really? How come I never saw anything like the iPhone GUI before 2007.

Or are you suggesting Apple invented the smart phone :D

They did not invent it but dam they made it hip and cool which if you look around has everyone doing the "Me Too" dance. :)
 
Record-breaking quarters and the position as the trend-setter in consumer tech.

These legal skirmishes haven't and won't result in any major untoward changes to Apple products. We all know this already.

Agreed.

That and Apples incredible profit is what makes them look so paranoid, petty, and stupid.

Instead of acting like the world class company they could be, Apple comes across as fools.

I must admit, I'm much happier being seen with my Galaxy S.

When one is seen in this town (New York) with an iPhone they look at you like "oh, you're one of those snobs".

Yet the irony is they're a dime a dozen here.
 
Record-breaking quarters and the position as the trend-setter in consumer tech.

These legal skirmishes haven't and won't result in any major untoward changes to Apple products. We all know this already.

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just disputing the idea that somehow the U.S. courts are biased towards Apple. Apple's court results don't indicate that.
 
Even more entertaining is the fact that Apple is so arrogant they fail to realize how stupid they look.

Suing their biggest vendor.

It doesn't get any more stupid than that.

Samsung is a parts manufacturer, not designer, for some of Apple's components. Apple has also been moving to another manufacturer, many of them in fact, over the past few months...also, you've got this backwards, Apple is Samsung's biggest customer.
 
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