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Samsung Galaxy 10.1 copies the iPad...and blows it away!
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Seriously?? Apple doesn't even allow flash.
Seriously. If Apple allowed Flash, they would be held hostage by Adobe whenever there was an issue. But for customers, not allowing Flash has two great advantages:
1. Their devices run better. Just keep reading all those Android reviews that continue to talk about sluggish Flash performance and poor battery life.
2. It encourages the industry to move to standards-based video instead of proprietary video. This benefits consumers because it means future video will just work on any device.
And as the study released yesterday shows, 80% of the video viewing takes place on an iOS device. Yes, the ones that cannot view Flash. So the plan is working.
Customers are benefiting. Even the ones being dragged kicking and screaming into the future.
My god. How many times dowe have to explain Flash is more than just watching videos.
Please explain how I as a user, benefit form not being able to access a site I need to access for business.
Here is but one of the myriad sites I need to access as a freelancers.
Feel free to tell me after going there using your iPad, what your fantastic experience was.
http://www.sonypicturespost.com/
Feel free to tell me after going there using your iPad, what your fantastic experience was.
http://www.sonypicturespost.com/
You don't benefit. Which is why it's important for the industry to move on to standards that every device can use. Right now you are very inconvienced, just as people who used floppy disks were when Apple dropped them.
So yeah, you are one of a class of customers who did not get served what you wanted. But in the larger picture, we'll all be better off with industry standard coding.
No. The way it has always been, is to have backwards comparability until a widespread adoption of the industry renders the old way, out of date.
In that case, it was Jobs with an axe to grind.
Oh Gawd, please cut it out. I really don't want to get into another Flash debate, but I don't know why people keep defending the lack of it on iOS. The whole flash runs like crap is just a myth, at least on Android it is. Granted there is some truth to how flash runs on OSx and this is where the contention between Jobs and Adobe started, but on Android it runs smoothly and doesn't use up more battery than any other video streaming for example. It's just getting tired hearing the same old myth. Flash isn't going anywhere, this is evidenced by its still widespread usage on the internet, its adoption by ALL the other smartphone/tablet OS', and even in the humorous but true marketing seen by some manufacturers and even phone carriers that their devices specifically run Flash.
Even if there were past sins, Adobe has really retooled Flash and continues to improve it. Proprietary is a dangerous term to use, especially if you require h.264 as one example. Things which are available royalty free from Apple today may not be the case tomorrow.
The bottom line, aside from the extremely mired and complicated issues of who is open and who is not, Flash is an important part of the internet that is not going anywhere anytime soon. Apple stands alone in their white knight fight against Flash, which is really just a thinly veiled attempt to keep their own licensing prevalent. I'd say that putting lack of flash on iOS and the fact that Android devices can run Flash is far from a negative bullet point, I'd say it is quite a powerful positive bullet point FOR Android.
And before anyone gets into a tizzy on me being an Android fanboy, I've stated before I have an ipad2 and an iphone and love them both. Honestly the absolute number one thing that irks me and makes me look elsewhere is the lack of Flash and if Apple put it in iOS I honestly think I wouldn't ever look elsewhere for hardware. All the posturing and screaming about Flash can be solved instantly if Apple put in a Flash option in internet settings, if you feel like it's the end of the world just go into settings and shut it off, simple enough.
Please explain to me, how - as a human being - I ought to have my iPad turned into a sluggish piece of virus-ridden garbage, just so that self-involved ******s can access "business" sites that rely on Flash.
Every time (EVERY TIME) my Windows PC turns up with a virus, or horrible bit of malicious spyware on it - it turns out it was enabled by Flash.
How often do I have to sit through a tedious notification-download-installation cycle so that ANOTHER useless security update from Abode can install?
Die, Flash, Die. The sooner the better.
Not sure why I would want backwards comparability, but I will bite.
As far as backwards compatibility goes it is not always the case. Most Engineering software that I have personal experience with is not backwards compatible. Once you upgrade, the files are changed with no chance of going to a previous standard.
Backwards compatibility is nice but not a guarantee with any standard, or enhancement.
Spinedoc77, can I say it. LOL
Seriously though I do agree it would not hurt to have it as an option. I for one would never use it, but I am also tired of hearing how others may need it. If you need it, it could/should be an option.
Simple, as stated before put in a switch in internet settings where you can turn Flash off if you really feel you don't need it. It's interesting though that I don't feel like a "self-involved ******" just because I need Flash, excellent and mature way to make a point, kudos.
Nice and reasonable, I like it. 100% of the anti-Flash arguments are completely rebutted by just putting in a switch to turn it off.
Just so it doesn't derail things too bad, it's fine if people want (or don't want) Flash on the iPad. I'm not arguing that either way. BUT
I still don't see any incentive for Apple to include it. I doubt it would make any noticeable increase in sales and so it just seems an unnecessary complication to even bother. If it starts making a difference to sales, they might include it, but for now they are putting pressure (whether utterly minor or totally major pressure) on its demise, and if Flash dies, problem solved. Why would they include it? I know people think Apple should do so, I just don't get why those people think their reasons for including it would or should matter to Apple.
I still don't see any incentive for Apple to include it. I doubt it would make any noticeable increase in sales and so it just seems an unnecessary complication to even bother. If it starts making a difference to sales, they might include it, but for now they are putting pressure (whether utterly minor or totally major pressure) on its demise, and if Flash dies, problem solved. Why would they include it? I know people think Apple should do so, I just don't get why those people think their reasons for including it would or should matter to Apple.
My use of the iPad has never been made better due to not being able to flip a switch to turn flash on.
My experience has only ever been made worse due to not being able to access something I want to.
I can't make a negative user experience, into a positive one. Sorry.
Perhaps I don't want it on all the time, but I would like to have the choice to turn it on when I want to view a site that does have flash content. That's just a simple request.
My experience has only ever been made worse due to not being able to access something I want to.
I can't make a negative user experience, into a positive one. Sorry.
Perhaps I don't want it on all the time, but I would like to have the choice to turn it on when I want to view a site that does have flash content. That's just a simple request.
A good point and not one I would discount. In the end the market will decide. I only put forth my personal opinion and my very frequent dealings with a brick wall when I visit a Flash site on my ipad2, but my experience isn't necessarily everyones. The only thing that gets me is how some believe Jobs is shunning Flash out of some altruistic white knight desire to rid the world of evil.
It was reported today that 80% of video traffic on mobile devices comes from Apple products. Maybe Jobs was right.
Fair enough. I don't think the iPad lacks Flash because Jobs is a big ol' meany, either. His motivations are irrelevant, because ultimately as you say people will choose the best product for their needs and will succeed or fail on those grounds.
Then you'd better inform the tech reviewers, because they keep complaining about Flash performance on Android in their reviews.
Yes maybe, although it's too soon to tell. I'd assume that was 80% of non Flash video traffic, although I haven't read through the text of the entire study. I'd be curious what that number was if they included Flash sites. Not drawing any conclusions in the least, just curious.
That's not what I'm reading in the reviews I'm seeing. Although admittedly poor because it's just a personal example, I don't see any issues whatsoever in running Flash on my Captivate, runs beautifully whatever I throw at it. I'm not defending Flash itself, but if it's so bad why haven't the other smartphone OS' and indeed desktop OS' banded together to ban this scourge of mankind? Rather than doing that every single other OS is accepting Flash with open arms and even ridiculing Apple because of this choice, or lack of it. Apple is literally alone in its crusade.
Have you come upon any flash sites that use mouseovers? If so, how does that work?
To be honest I only care about Flash video, the other stuff you can throw out. I haven't really paid attention to something like that, but if you have a website I'll check it out and report back.
Still haven't found the need for flash on my iPad or iPhone. The 1 or 2 sites I have needed it for have been able to run the video through Skyfire. Everything else has a non flash version or an idevice version.