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I have not used an iPhone since the 3G model. And I only owned that one for a few weeks before making the switch to Android. I picked up a Galaxy S III about two weeks ago and it is by far the fastest phone I have used to date. Rooted it yesterday and installed the AOKP Jelly Bean ROM. WOW is all I have to say. Absolutely in LOVE.
 
The iphone is in trouble once the skinny jeans trend is over. Or if man-purses come into fashion.
 
Source? Seems odd considering that the iPhone more than tripled GS3 sales for the quarter worldwide. Obviously, that is with one fewer month, but that's still a big difference.

He's right - the SGS III has been outperforming the iPhone 4S ever since it was first sold in the UK and some other (mostly Asian) markets. That never happened in the US, though.

The 4S, while being popular, never had the same following in the UK as it has elsewhere. The UK's a bit special in terms of mobile phones - Blackberry still being very strong etc.

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I agree that the one thing I noticed about the SGS3 is how light it was which tells me the plastic housing is quite fragile.

Light = fragile?? I don't think so. I own both an iPhone 4S and an SGS III - I've dropped the SGS III on numerous occasions and it still looks like new except for a couple of minute scratches. I dropped the 4S once from 15cm onto a wooden floor (fell out of my backpack when I opened the back flap) - screen shatterd -> 275 CHF for a replacement. Go figure.
 
This is nothing but strawmen and stereotypes. The rantings of a few fanboys do not speak for "iPhone users today". The most common opinion that I see from iPhone users about the screen size debate is that they don't care either way.

The thing is: until you've actually used a bigger screen, you probably don't care. Once people have, they don't want to go back. The SGS III is big, but it's also very light. If the iPhone 5 (or whatever it'll be called) really comes with that pseudo-4" screen, it'll still be too small. Just making the thing longer doesn't actually help you much for browsing the web or reading books - and that's what most people do with their phones nowadays. If you only type SMS on your phone, you won't need a bigger screen - but then you don't need a smartphone in the first place.

The pictures I've seen so far of what's allegedly the new iPhone show a somewhat odd-shaped, clunky-looking device. It just doesn't look good - seems to me that there's a Jobsian law saying that the iPhone can't be wider than 5.1cm no matter what. What are they going to do next time? make it 10cm high?
 
Domt understand what is the big deal with sell numbers :) i own a iphone 4s and recently spend some time with a htc hd2 wich is a windows 6 phone, a friend wanted me to install android and i told him that i will keep it for a few days to make sure everything was fine and working properly and of course to tinker a bit :p i was quite impressed with android (ver. 4.0.4) and the phone being so old still was running very good :)

The iphone might sell better in the past and currently but just looking at the videos of the current high end android devices its clear they blow the iphone and the OS atleast the rom i used made me feel like i was using a "real" OS :D damm tinkers and geeky people i now understand all the love for android BUT i have to agree its not for everyone specially not for "followers" (not insulting, im just trying to say that some people just want to be told what/when to do etc) so i understand why it will be pretty difficult for a iphone user to consider android devices and theres always the appstore issue buying everything again or finding a replacement; personally i will buy a nexus model the moment the wallet say yes !

Ps.sorry for the english :)
 
He's right - the SGS III has been outperforming the iPhone 4S ever since it was first sold in the UK and some other (mostly Asian) markets. That never happened in the US, though.

The 4S, while being popular, never had the same following in the UK as it has elsewhere. The UK's a bit special in terms of mobile phones - Blackberry still being very strong etc.

Maybe, but as I asked the other poster, do you have a source for that claim?

The thing is: until you've actually used a bigger screen, you probably don't care. Once people have, they don't want to go back.

Which ignores the fact that I'm happy with current screen. I could be happy with other screen sizes as well. iPhone users are more satisfied than the user of the competition. Which is a funny fact considering your claim that they all have large screen envy.

If the iPhone 5 (or whatever it'll be called) really comes with that pseudo-4" screen,

:D What a ridiculous argument. "Pseudo". As if it's not really a 4" screen. Maybe your argument isn't as strong as you think it is if you have to make up FUD.

it'll still be too small.

Too small? :rolleyes:

Just making the thing longer doesn't actually help you much for browsing the web or reading books

About the same as making it a little wider. And I doubt "reading books" is one of the top ten things people do on a smartphone. This is just a silly argument.

and that's what most people do with their phones nowadays. If you only type SMS on your phone, you won't need a bigger screen - but then you don't need a smartphone in the first place.

Are you really going to pretend that the thousand of other things that people do on an iPhone don't actually exist? Just read books, browse web, and sms? :rolleyes:

The pictures I've seen so far of what's allegedly the new iPhone show a somewhat odd-shaped, clunky-looking device. It just doesn't look good - seems to me that there's a Jobsian law saying that the iPhone can't be wider than 5.1cm no matter what. What are they going to do next time? make it 10cm high?

Fantastic! :D
 
Fantastic news.

This is what happens when you can't innovate and have to littigate folks!

The iPhone 4s, wow, real innovation over the 4. :rolleyes:

Samsung is definitely not innovating and is, in fact, copying, but I don't think Apple is going to win. Even if you were to say that Apple is innovative (which is true in my opinion), Samsung is more likely to win.
 
Just as I think it's cute you are unable to see a correlation between opening a market or adding carriers as the reason you see the YoY jump from 2011 to 2012 in such dramatic fashion. And at the same time stick your head in the sand and ignore the huge sale figures losses, quarter after quarter this year!

I guess when you are Blind with such devout faith in apple, acknowledging factual data that shines any negative light upon your logo is simply ignored and replaced with whatever the flavor of the day excuse is. Great for you, but I prefer the real world.
i think it's incredibly naive of you that you take one set of figures and make a huge assumption of the market against the iPhone, while ignoring all the majority of the facts that go against you.

And that is very cute. It's the type of blind reasoning that's expected from a child :rolleyes:
 
Let's check the facts on Apple's iPhone sales (this is the total sales of 4S, 4 and 3GS per quarter), shall we? You can do the math:

2012 Q1: 37 million
2012 Q2: 35 million
2012 Q3: 26 million
2012 Q4: 20 million (est)

See a trend? I am sure initial demand for the iPhone 5 will be strong, but like the 4S we will see a quick down turn. People are tired of the same crap coming out of Apple. Sales (or lack there of) is all we need to see to affirm this position.

I guess you could call a 2 million unit drop a "quick down turn" over the course of 6 months, but I would say its pretty solid half a year to sell 72million units. The fact is most iphone users' upgrade eligability happens in those quaters which is why you see the bump. Q3 and Q4 are for the most part new suscribers who are on Anroid or other smartphones cycles of upgrade eligability, basically new to iphone or to put it in "smarty pants" terms, market share converts. That's why year over year the Q1-4 numbers almost double. Sure Q3 only saw 26 Million, but thats more than the previous year's Q3, same story for Q4s. Kudos to anroid os man, if you know what you are doing on that OS, that stuff is amazing. Apple, however has always made a phone for the masses. Most people have no clue, nor care for that matter, what a ROM is or what overclocking achieves, or all these other customizable features are. That's what makes the Galaxy so special, it's not for everyone. Most of the people who bought it are going to hate it, because there is no support for it, no training, no in house repair, nothing. iPhones are elegant (to some that looks like incremental upgrades that dont mean redesigning the entire damn phone) and simple to use, they just work. People who don't know what they are doing have the entire backing of the Apple Store to get them up and running. Point to a Samsung consumer store that trains people how to use their phone. Simplicity is a philisophy that Android users will never understand and a quality that Apple Fanboys, like me, will always be mocked for. Its why we'll line up on the 21st, and Samsung users will laugh and tease us. But no one lines up for a Galaxy launch, it's not that kind of phone. iPhones are what work for most people. I know its cool to stir up ***** in forums, but can you really argue with the popularity of iPhone? I can hear the keys flying already, Galaxy users, bring it on.
 
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The pictures I've seen so far of what's allegedly the new iPhone show a somewhat odd-shaped, clunky-looking device. It just doesn't look good - seems to me that there's a Jobsian law saying that the iPhone can't be wider than 5.1cm no matter what. What are they going to do next time? make it 10cm high?
I'm not going to say anything about your other points as BaldiMac already addressed those.

What I will say is though it makes me shake my head when I see android users with these massive screen phones always using 2 hands.

While every the majority of iPhone users can be seen using 1 hand with the other free. What do we do with the other hand? Well you'll usually find me eating something (I'm bulking you see :D), or using the ipad or typing on the computer.

Basically, I'm being more productive than you.

The functional benefit of a bigger screen diminishes when the device becomes too big to use with one hand.
 
Samsung is definitely not innovating and is, in fact, copying, but I don't think Apple is going to win. Even if you were to say that Apple is innovative (which is true in my opinion), Samsung is more likely to win.

The galaxy s3 is more innovative than the 4 inch stretched iphone that will be unvieled in two days. It has smart stay, the eye tracking feature that detects that your viewing the screen, s-beam which uses wifi direct to transfer pictures, a 4.8 superamoled screen, large 2100mah removable battery, and the 28nm snapdragon s4 cpu with integrated lte which significantly reduces power draw. It builds on the innovative design of the galaxy nexus, like NFC, led notification light (although I like the pulsing on the nexus more), shape of front face. Apple is in cruise control right now about to finally introduce lte which competitors have had on the market for more than 20 months now.
 
I'm not going to say anything about your other points as BaldiMac already addressed those.

What I will say is though it makes me shake my head when I see android users with these massive screen phones always using 2 hands.

While every the majority of iPhone users can be seen using 1 hand with the other free. What do we do with the other hand? Well you'll usually find me eating something (I'm bulking you see :D), or using the ipad or typing on the computer.

Basically, I'm being more productive than you.

The functional benefit of a bigger screen diminishes when the device becomes too big to use with one hand.

i've played with someone's S3 and you can use it with one hand. i'm 6 foot and lately i see a lot of people taller than me so that's a lot of potential customers for big screen phones
 
The functional benefit of a bigger screen diminishes when the device becomes too big to use with one hand.

Depends on the UI as much as the screen.

For iOS, you're correct... screen size has an especially detrimental effect on one-handed usage.

This is mainly because, unlike Android, the iOS Back button is usually at the far upper left.

iOS isn't totally geared towards one-handed use anyway. The whole point of multi-touch is using two hands, and sometimes they go overboard with it.

For example, on an iPhone there's no easy-to-use +/- buttons to zoom back out again if you double-tap too far in on a Map... instead, we have to use two hands to pinch zoom out or do some contorted one-handed trick.
 
this will change once the iPhone 5 comes out, and have you seen the S III? It's freaking HUGE! Who want's that mini tablet of a phone in your pocket! Not me!

you will lick your spit when iphone is announced

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Enjoy your week at the top Samsung lol because once the iPhone is announced your gonna go back to # 2....in iphone 5 preorders alone :)

or it will just get sued and ban i5 in us! how cool would that be :D
 
The samsung galaxy 3 is the bolder of phones put it in your pocket and your pants fall down, moreover the android apps which you download from android market are not all universal on other android devices, therefore I still prefer Apple for size and compatibility sake.

Dude, you do realise the S3 is much lighter than the 4S

Size does not equal weight.

If the S3 drops your pants, you better tighten your belt for the iPhone.
 
i've played with someone's S3 and you can use it with one hand. i'm 6 foot and lately i see a lot of people taller than me so that's a lot of potential customers for big screen phones
I am also 6 foot tall and can reach anywhere on the screen with one hand. However, I recognise that I am a minority and even though there are millions like me the iPhone is designed to suit most.

Also, screen real estate and 720P resolution on smartphones is not as big a deal to the average customer than what people here promoting it try to lead others to believe.

I will say though that the bigger screen is the one thing that attracted me to the GS3 but sacrificing iOS in exchange for a bigger screen is not a trade I'm willing to make.
 
The galaxy s3 is more innovative than the 4 inch stretched iphone that will be unvieled in two days. It has smart stay, the eye tracking feature that detects that your viewing the screen, s-beam which uses wifi direct to transfer pictures, a 4.8 superamoled screen, large 2100mah removable battery, and the 28nm snapdragon s4 cpu with integrated lte which significantly reduces power draw. It builds on the innovative design of the galaxy nexus, like NFC, led notification light (although I like the pulsing on the nexus more), shape of front face. Apple is in cruise control right now about to finally introduce lte which competitors have had on the market for more than 20 months now.

Just because the iPhone 5 is, according to you, not a huge improvement over the iPhone 4 does not make Apple non-innovative. Maybe if you're comparing the rate of change for iPhones vs the rate of change for Samsung phones, Samsung is ahead. A lot of those "innovations" in the S3 are just extra tech they buy and put in or gimmicks. "WiFi Direct" is just an ad-hoc wifi network. It's been done.

I don't even consider most of the iPhone hardware innovative and only a few design features. The software is what shines.
 
Just because the iPhone 5 is, according to you, not a huge improvement over the iPhone 4 does not make Apple non-innovative. Maybe if you're comparing the rate of change for iPhones vs the rate of change for Samsung phones, Samsung is ahead. A lot of those "innovations" in the S3 are just extra tech they buy and put in or gimmicks. "WiFi Direct" is just an ad-hoc wifi network. It's been done.

I don't even consider most of the iPhone hardware innovative and only a few design features. The software is what shines.

WiFi direct is not the same as ad hoc.
 
WiFi direct is not the same as ad hoc.

According to the Wikipedia article, it looks like it is:

"Wi-Fi Direct devices are able to communicate with each other without requiring a wireless access point. The Wi-Fi Direct devices negotiate when they first connect to determine which device acts as an access point."

Either this is ad-hoc, or it's something that's essentially the same. Speaking of ad-hoc, I am disappointed that the iOS devices cannot create ad-hoc wifi networks without downloading apps from Cydia, but I guess very few people care about that, and those who do are probably already jailbroken (like me).

UPDATE: Oh look: "When a device enters the range of the Wi-Fi Direct host, it can connect to it using the existing ad-hoc protocol, and then gather setup information using a Protected Setup-style transfer. Connection and setup is so simplified that some suggest it may replace Bluetooth in some situations."

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The thing is: until you've actually used a bigger screen, you probably don't care. Once people have, they don't want to go back. The SGS III is big, but it's also very light. If the iPhone 5 (or whatever it'll be called) really comes with that pseudo-4" screen, it'll still be too small. Just making the thing longer doesn't actually help you much for browsing the web or reading books - and that's what most people do with their phones nowadays. If you only type SMS on your phone, you won't need a bigger screen - but then you don't need a smartphone in the first place.

The pictures I've seen so far of what's allegedly the new iPhone show a somewhat odd-shaped, clunky-looking device. It just doesn't look good - seems to me that there's a Jobsian law saying that the iPhone can't be wider than 5.1cm no matter what. What are they going to do next time? make it 10cm high?

Just wondering, what is a "pseudo-4"" screen?

I've used my friend's Nexus many times. That thing is just too big. It's almost a small tablet. I have to stretch to even hold it. I don't care much about the screen size, but the iPhone could be a little bigger without being too big to hold. The reason why the iPhone is not wider is because it makes it awkward or at least different to hold, while increasing the length both takes it to 16:9 aspect ratio and makes the grip the same. In addition, widening the phone would mess with the OS and the apps a bit, especially because the gridded icons will no longer fit.
 
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Will be great to see a iphone with a 4.3 or bigger screen to see how many people will stop using a iphone because the screen is "too big" :)
 
Will be great to see a iphone with a 4.3 or bigger screen to see how many people will stop using a iphone because the screen is "too big" :)

I'd say anything past 4.3" is too big, but I wouldn't stop using an iPhone. I'd continue using my iPhone 4.

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Dude, you do realise the S3 is much lighter than the 4S

Size does not equal weight.

If the S3 drops your pants, you better tighten your belt for the iPhone.

133g S3 vs 140g 4S

It's lighter, but not by much. And the comparison is a little unfair because the iPhone is also smaller. Having a bigger screen will allow the device to be thinner and not weigh that much extra, so nobody should assume that a bigger phone is significantly heavier. The only component that is actually heavier in a bigger phone is the screen and shell, and that's it.

I do think it's too large for the pocket, though.
 
So if they new iphone have a 4.3 screen your going to stay with your iphone 4 or 4s until you find another alternative with the same screen ?
 
Have you seem the iPhone screen?? 3.5 inches, so tiny, size hasn't changed since 07, Jesus Christ!!

Yeah, not change. Retina ? Do you remember ? Are you a jacky ? You only care about who's got the biggest ?

That's so funny to see people complaining about the "small screen" of the iPhone when everybody was shooting it because it was too big when it was first release.
 
Just because the iPhone 5 is, according to you, not a huge improvement over the iPhone 4 does not make Apple non-innovative. Maybe if you're comparing the rate of change for iPhones vs the rate of change for Samsung phones, Samsung is ahead. A lot of those "innovations" in the S3 are just extra tech they buy and put in or gimmicks. "WiFi Direct" is just an ad-hoc wifi network. It's been done.

I don't even consider most of the iPhone hardware innovative and only a few design features. The software is what shines.

Wait, you mean like Apple with Fingerworks, Siri, Chomp, etc? :eek: Damn Samsung, they even copy Apple's strategy!

What's innovative about the iPhone's software? It's simple and smooth, and the learning curve is most likely less for the majority of consumers, but those benefits have been there for a while now. Software wise, what's so great about iOS 6 over iOS 5?

The GS3 has done some interesting innovative things with photo management/sharing and TecTiles.
 
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