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Samsung Galaxy S5 to Include Home Button with Integrated Fingerprint Sensor
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Being able to read the screen is fundamental. You want a Porsche even though they can be tough to steer.
Because Apple doesn't have a patent on every implementation of a fingerprint sensor. And Samsung will likely purchase or license any patents that they require from the appropriate patent holder.
You and I have different criteria then, it seems. Never working well is the same as failing in my book. If customers wanted halfassed finger print sensors, you would have seen lot more laptops with them over the past decade.
Unfortunately there is a large part of the population that see bigger numbers as always better. Bigger this more that, sells to them. They don't take time to consider the merits of a feature they just want the one with most regardless of if they actually work or are of any practical use.
Lets see Apple owns all the patents and rights for 64bit CPUs, dualflash, fingerprint scanners and a bright and flat OS design. Yeah...
64bit CPU: 1991 MIPS R4000
Dual Flash: See Xenon Flash.
Fingerprint Scanner: 2011 Motorola ATRIX 4G
OS Design: 2009 Zune HD OS; 2010 Kin OS; 2010 Windows Phone 7
Maybe Samsung are putting it in though also because, its a good idea and a great way to secure devices?
From several reports I have seen, Apple has like 70% market share in the over $400 phone sector, and thats globally not just USA. So, I suspect that Samsung is trying to hit lower price points, even if that means lower profits, in order to gain some traction in the higher end. However, I think Samsung is looking at how to use lower end parts as well. The fingerprint scanner, for example, seems to be older technology (if implemented as rumored), so that would be cheaper than what Apple is doing through their approach and acquisition.
Motorola had the sensor on the top of the phone.
HTC had the sensor at the back of the phone.
iPhone 5S had it in the Home button.
And now, Samsung wants to put it in the home button, why not at the top or at the back, like Motorola and HTC?
HTC had the sensor at the back of the phone.
iPhone 5S had it in the Home button.
And now, Samsung wants to put it in the home button, why not at the top or at the back, like Motorola and HTC?
It is a good idea, yes. But putting it exactly where Apple put it? Is that just a coincidence? That is what most people on this forum is discussing.
They put the sensor on the back of the phone. On the back.
Hey, I have this genius idea, lets put the the element that you will interact with every time you want to use your phone on the back side. You know, so that if the phone is ever not in your hand, like when it is in a cradle, a mount or even just laying on your desk, using the sensor is pretty much impossible.
I have another genius idea, lets build a laptop that has the keyboard on the back of the display. Or we can build a t.v. where the IR sensor is in the back of the t.v. Or we can build a car where the ignition key slot is in the trunk.
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Samsung found there success from Verizon not carrying the iPhone early one. If it were on Verizon from the start , I doubt Samsung would have the same numbers.
Just so they can boast that they have, to make their fanboys jump with glee, meanwhile paying a higher price. If Samsung stuck to their now older resolution, the question would be, 1 year on, why should I pay the same price?
Of course they weren't the first. I had a HP Pavilion years ago that used Synaptics Fingerprint Sensor tech, dubbed HP SimplePass. Ironically, it is stated by NDTV that Synaptics will be helping Samsung to make a better screen with the S5. There were also, prior to apple, fingerprint implementation in businesses for authentication of doors and replacement of money.
The difference here is, Apple were the first to make a usable mobile device fingerprint scanner - through their aquisition of a company who made good scanners. Samsung don't have such an aquisition to learn and implement from, so that's why they're using old tech that will be just as lame as the one on an HP Laptop.
Actually, on an iPhone, when you scan your finger, you can usually take your finger off even before the phone unlocks. The time taken also includes the calculations made by the OS and the Fingerprint scanner's algorithms contacting each other for verification.
haven't you heard? Samsung's new OS will have a simpler, flatter and unified colour scheme design with the S5 - including icons that are all same sized and rounded at the corners. I think that qualifies it as being called iOSdroid to be fair. Either that or WinDroid since the icons actually look like they're copied from Windows 8 stock images.
Unfortunately, these people don't know the real use of TouchID then. One of the big benefits is never having to type in a password when downloading/purchasing new applications from the App Store. You just touch your home button for 2 seconds and you're done. Generally, TouchID makes life easier in a more generalised sense, not in an immediate one which you would think when you first turn on the phone. It's something you discover as you use.
Wonder where they got that idea from?
laptops and devices that had it long before the iPhone/cell phones maybe
Well...Because Apple invented all these things and they were non-existent before. No other company has the right to use any of these features. Right?
The 64bit CPU IS the first 64bit CPU on a smartphone.
The Two Tone flash IS the first two tone flash on a smartphone (if not anywhere)
I'm not saying they've not been done before, but they were certainly done on a smartphone by Apple first. And others do have the right to... with the Two Tone flash, if it's patented by Apple (which I would assume it is) they will be able to licence it from them.
So, yeah... Apple did do it first.
Prediction: This is the year Samsung's sales begin to drop off. The lack of innovation is telling in this "upgrade". People criticize Apple for iterating, but this is just bad. TouchID was actually an incredible iteration over existing fingerprint tech, the LED flash that can vary tonal balance is also innovative. Is it worth an upgrade from the 5? That's debatable. I know I passed (I can be patient), but I really want those features. I know many people who only pick Samsung for a larger screen. Take that away and they really don't have a preference. Maybe some of them will stay, but I already know several who would switch if given a choice of a larger iPhone. Many of these same people already own iPads. The iPhone 6 camera is also going to be incredible, and I think the TouchID payment system is really going to take off. The iWatch will blow away the Galaxy Gear, and it will take several years for any company to come close to catching up because Apple has been taking a different approach with regard to hiring people with backgrounds in medical devices. Samsung designs the obvious solution (which has already been done by Pebble and others), and Apple designs the crazy, futuristic version that defines what a watch can even be. Something that actually brings value because it can help extend your life and warn you about potential conditions before you end up in the hospital. Now that's a game changer, and that's where Apple leapfrogs once again. Look for Samsung to add simple stuff like heart rate monitors in the next version of the Gear, but nothing close to what Apple busts out.
They just coppied the finger based non-pen multi-touch screen technology which allowed them to copy the basic interface arquitecture of the iOS. The first betas and alphas of Android (before the original iPhone) look more like Windows Mobile in its early ages and in the months after the iPhone it compleatly changed to what we have today.
I dont care who made first "scrool to unlock" or "fingerprint sensor" or details like this...they are just consecquence of what has been a one big, major ripoff of the entire concept of the phone interface and how the user use it.
BB OS and Windows Mobile OS are original although there could be a funcion or two copied as well, but the coreof the operating system and the interface are unique.
With the S5, Samsung is just proving for one more time that they will implement any technology the users of other platforms may like, just to increase with a percentage or two their market share, and thats lame. Two people use Android, those you dont care and those who dont understand.
Am i the only one who thinks that its again another cumbersome solution from Samsung? I mean do I really wanna swipe finger to get a read let alone be careful how i swipe it?
If Samsung wants to really compete why can't they come up with something that is an elegant solution or something that people will love to use?
We all know that is Apple's way so why can't others get it too?
If Samsung wants to really compete why can't they come up with something that is an elegant solution or something that people will love to use?
We all know that is Apple's way so why can't others get it too?