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your lack of knowledge of oriental tradition is clear from that post. not to mention it's condescending to an extent. what does it have to do with Alibaba.com? it's no different from ebay.com or even amazon.com?

can you be specific about the imitation part? you know, give specific examples?

You really think so??? I guess you are not aware of the fake iPhones, iPods and iPads, or the fake Apple Stores in China (paste endless list here)... or the known fact by every serious importer to use freight-forwarders in many cases to avoid the chinese from stealing their clients?

This doesn't mean all the Orientals do it. There are very serious businesses I happen to deal with in China. The chinese government is doing a great job to provide a clean image and promote doing business with China.
That being said, the fake Apple Stores are still doing great! :D

And just so you know, I have nothing against the oriental culture. I'm just recognizing a well known fact.
My second choice for a country for me to be born into is Japan.
 
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Android is a cheap copy of iOS. Period.
My opinion. Facts definitely prove this; but whatever! There is never going to be any consensus on this.

Then its a fact that you have never used an android device for more than a few minutes. The whole back button menu button paradigm of android differs very much from the way ios works. The back button in android is quite advanced and there is nothing in ios that works anyway close to how it works. Android also heaily uses the menu button. Also look at the options menus in android. They differ dramatically from ios.
 
I think Apple is trying to set an example. A lot of times companies sue other companies for millions of dollars knowing fully that they are not harming their business in any shape or form, but they sue them to set an example / inconvinience them.

A friend of mine works at a very small firm that sued former employees for 'fedility duty', claimed millions of dollars in loses. My friend told me that the 'loss' was unrealistic as it was double what the firm has ever grossed. Nonetheless, there IS a case that has been running for years now.

Mmmm... do you mean 'fidelity duty'?

Imagine what would happen if companies started to sue their employees for wasting time in Facebook, instant messaging, and MacRumors Forums?
 
Then its a fact that you have never used an android device for more than a few minutes. The whole back button menu button paradigm of android differs very much from the way ios works. The back button in android is quite advanced and there is nothing in ios that works anyway close to how it works. Android also heaily uses the menu button. Also look at the options menus in android. They differ dramatically from ios.

The design in general is very close to the iPad. That's the problem.
It deceives the consumer, it creates confusion.
It even confused Samsung lawyers, so imagine that.
 
There is a problem when not even the lawyers of Samsung are unable to identify the product were retained to argue for from 10 feet. It's shameless. One should be able to resolve the difference between two products as quickly as a kid finds Waldo in an empty room.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/14/us-apple-samsung-lawsuit-idUSTRE79C79C20111014

"Koh frequently remarked on the similarity between each company's tablets. At one point during the hearing, she held one black glass tablet in each hand above her head, and asked Sullivan if she could identify which company produced which.

"Not at this distance your honor," said Sullivan, who stood at a podium roughly ten feet away."


It's not a belief, it's not a think so, it's not a probability. Samsung did copy the look and feel of an Apple product. That's why Mrs. Sullivan couldn't even correctly identify each respective product from a mere 10 feet away.

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Notice how they are covering the identifiable home button on the ipad and that picture is maybe a foot away from the camera. I guarantee I could hold a digital picture frame and an ipad 10 feet away and Jobs himself would not have been able to tell the difference.

Do you think a lawyer for Sony would be able to tell the difference between a Sony tv and a Panasonic tv from 30 feet away if the logo was covered?
 
The design in general is very close to the iPad. That's the problem.

No, it's not. Apple has not brought claims on the design in Australia. You're confused as to what cases entail and where.

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So what? No one would be using a tablet from 10 feet away.

Anyway, the people that keep repeating that nonsense forget the actual news story :

Koh frequently remarked on the similarity between each company's tablets. At one point during the hearing, she held one black glass tablet in each hand above her head, and asked Sullivan if she could identify which company produced which.

"Not at this distance your honor," said Sullivan, who stood at a podium roughly ten feet away.

"Can any of Samsung's lawyers tell me which one is Samsung and which one is Apple?" Koh asked. A moment later, one of the lawyers supplied the right answer.

Not to mention this has nothing to do with this thread's topic as it was not in the Australian suit and the Australian suit is not about the design of the Tab or the iPad or any design or "copying" of designs whatsoever.
 
Further, barely any of this registers in the consumer consciousness. As if they care about Apple's legal activities! If you think they're going to decide against getting the hottest tech devices out there out of some interest in lawsuits, then I wish you all the best in whatever alternate dimension or galaxy you live in. Apple's lawsuits will have as much effect on their sales as they've always had: zero.

I know I'm just one person and I know I'm probably gonna get flamed for this, but actually Apple's legal activities was one of the reasons I opted not for a 4S and got a Galaxy SII instead when I was looking to upgrade my 3GS.

BUT I can tell you at least in terms of phones, the iPhone and Galaxy act and feel very different. I'd bet the tablets would be very different as well.

There is a problem when not even the lawyers of Samsung are unable to identify the product were retained to argue for from 10 feet. It's shameless. One should be able to resolve the difference between two products as quickly as a kid finds Waldo in an empty room.

They did identify the product. You also conveniently forgot the next part of the article:

"Can any of Samsung's lawyers tell me which one is Samsung and which one is Apple?" Koh asked. A moment later, one of the lawyers supplied the right answer.
 
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I'm pretty sure Apple has no problem paying legal fees. They make billions each quarter and have enough cash on hand to spend on virtually anything they like.

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Apple loses nothing by pursuing this matter. There is barely any demand for Samsung tablets. The ban was not worldwide, and they had the entire US market open to them, but have only sold (according to someone's claim here earlier) around 20,000 of them. Even if that's sold and not shipped, that's next to nothing.

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you are impossible dear. Same case is with Samsung, Google, etc, they all have infinite more cash in comparison to as required for legal proceedings, even IPCOM, basically a patent troll, has enough cash to fight even the biggest players till eternity. It is not about who has more cash, it is about who is actually proven right in the end. Nothing has been proved in the courts till now.

Again and again mentioning a figure provided by Samsung's competitor is a foolish exercise. Tomorrow Acer will say Samsung sold 5000 tablets and you will pounce on the same.
 
Notice that the ruling provided certain conditions, including keeping track of all purchases, etc.
This would hint that the judges have their doubts over their ruling being challenged in any way, considering there are so many International Patent Laws that have to be respected.

They also stayed their decision until Friday to give Apple time to appeal, which usually indicates they think there is a reasonable possibility that the High Court will grant a longer stay.
 
I feel sorry for the poor folks in Australia. Some of them will mistakenly buy a Galaxy Tab instead of an iPad.

Don't confuse the average consumer with an Appe drone. The average consumer isn't as stupid as you doesn't need Apple to tell them how they should live their life.
 
Nope, Lindows lost the case. They had to rename their product Linspire.
Microsoft won, to everyone's surprise.

No what happen is it was looking like ms was going to lose the case and to avoid the ruling that the name windows was to genirec ms bought the rights to lindows for a hefty fee.
 
"Android is a Cheap Copy of iOS. Period"

"Android is a cheap copy of iOS. Period.
My opinion. Facts definitely prove this; but whatever! There is never going to be any consensus on this."


OMG...sooo wrong. Wow. Consensus not needed when we have facts available. Don't try to claim it's your "opinion", you also claim to facts.

FACTS:

First - Android, Inc was founded in 2003...some FOUR YEARS before iOS was released in 2007. Additionally, I remember the founders of Android, Inc discussing their plans to develop an OS for handheld devices in 1999 in a cell phone trade mag (Palm was the leading handheld OS at the time, these guys were hinting at creating a competitor based on a Linux kernel).

The first public Android OS was displayed in the summer of 2005 at a trade show - you can actually find photos of a REAL device running Android in '05...two years before iOS/iPhone release. (yes, it was a demo device, but the fact it was RUNNING before iOS released demonstrates it couldn't have been a copycat.

Now, Apple may have been in development at the time, but to make the claim that Android is a copy of iOS is completely unsupportable, especially given their stated target competition was Palm!

Also, the interface model of iOS is nothing new-the Treo used a touch screen, with icons on multiple home screen pages in 2003 (first Treo was released in 2002, some FOUR YEARS before iPhone!) iOS added nothing substantially different from an interface standpoint. Matter of fact, it was Android that brought the first significant addition with widgets. Oh, yea, the Treo had a "Home" button even...

So please, get the facts straight about the smartphone industry-it existed long before Apple came on the scene (man, you should've seen the Nokia 9000 in the late 90's! Slick!), and the concepts and products were in place with other developers.
 
No design change here . It was in Germany. In Australia, Appeals court finds out that Apple's patents are very weak and Samsung has very high probability for not infringing them

Correct - and why? Because only German countries (Ger/Austria) have "Gebrauchsmuster" as part of infringements. So, it is not even part of this injunction at all. Nevertheless, I stand to my statement: Samsung changed it because they felt caught. If they think that they are right, they would continue to fight for it but they rather change their product. Tells me something... :cool:
 
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