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I stand to my statement: Samsung changed it because they felt caught. If they think that they are right, they would continue to fight for it but they rather change their product. Tells me something... :cool:

Mmm, so. The trial starts in March and they can't sell the Tab until then at least and the reason the have made a little change to sell before the Christmas season is because they think they will loose?

Really?

Perhaps they have change it to SELL them
 
Mmm, so. The trial starts in March and they can't sell the Tab until then at least and the reason the have made a little change to sell before the Christmas season is because they think they will loose?

Really?

Perhaps they have change it to SELL them

Do you know how the German court system works? For such an injunction, Apple has to put down bonds in the amount Samsung is expecting to loose in sales. So, if Apple sees their IP infringed on, they can call for an injunction but in return, it can get quite costly if the court in the end decides otherwise. So, how exactly are they loosing other than market share? And how did I even discuss that? I just stated that their change is in my opinion - and I have a right to my opinion like anyone else here - proof that they did indeed copy. Of course they did in order to sell them. I didn't dispute that.
 

You know it's gonna be good when it has a "facts" bold heading

First - Android, Inc was founded in 2003...some FOUR YEARS before iOS was released in 2007. Additionally, I remember the founders of Android, Inc discussing their plans to develop an OS for handheld devices in 1999 in a cell phone trade mag (Palm was the leading handheld OS at the time, these guys were hinting at creating a competitor based on a Linux kernel).

Apple was founded in 1976, so what? The founder of Android did participate in creating a Unix-based phone before Android, it was called the Danger Hiptop aka T-Mobile Sidekick. Then they sold it to Microsoft, so of course they couldn't use it to create Android and had to start again.

The first public Android OS was displayed in the summer of 2005 at a trade show - you can actually find photos of a REAL device running Android in '05...two years before iOS/iPhone release. (yes, it was a demo device, but the fact it was RUNNING before iOS released demonstrates it couldn't have been a copycat.

Yes, and the photos show that the Android then had nothing to do with the Android that was released in 2008, 1 year after Apple released the iPhone to the public.

They scraped the whole thing and moved from being a keyboard oriented device to a touch-screen one.
 
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Yes, and the photos show that the Android then had nothing to do with the Android that was released in 2009, 1 year after released the iPhone to the public.

They scraped the whole thing and moved from being a keyboard oriented device to a touch-screen one.

How many times someone has proved you that that claim is false?
 
Do you know how the German court system works? For such an injunction, Apple has to put down bonds in the amount Samsung is expecting to loose in sales. So, if Apple sees their IP infringed on, they can call for an injunction but in return, it can get quite costly if the court in the end decides otherwise. So, how exactly are they loosing other than market share? And how did I even discuss that? I just stated that their change is in my opinion - and I have a right to my opinion like anyone else here - proof that they did indeed copy. Of course they did in order to sell them. I didn't dispute that.

I know how they work.

And yez, for Samsung is more important the market share, no the money Apple may have to pay rhem
 
Apple loses nothing by pursuing this matter.

Apple themselves claim, under oath, that they fear Samsung tablet sales would overcome iPad sales, and lead to customers adhering to Samsung instead of Apple.

Are they liars?

There is barely any demand for Samsung tablets. The ban was not worldwide, and they had the entire US market open to them, but have only sold (according to someone's claim here earlier) around 20,000 of them. Even if that's sold and not shipped, that's next to nothing.

If you're going to try to use publicity seeking numbers from a Samsung rival, at least get it right.

The Lenovo boss who claimed that figure, was talking only about the 7" Samsung Tab, and only about sales at the end of 2010.

Some analysts are questioning even that vague claim, since something of that magnitude usually brings huge complaints from many resellers... and that hasn't happened.
 

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I don't even like Samsung (can't tell you how many of their phones I have had break from normal use or how overpriced their TVs are) but I'm glad to see they won this case.

I just hate to see competition get killed like that, especially against Apple because we know Apple stops improving products when they know they are safe. (uh-hem, iPod line)
 
I don't even like Samsung (can't tell you how many of their phones I have had break from normal use or how overpriced their TVs are) but I'm glad to see they won this case.

I just hate to see competition get killed like that, especially against Apple because we know Apple stops improving products when they know they are safe. (uh-hem, iPod line)

Except, they didn't win anything, yet. It's not even an open court case but just fighting about keeping the injunction up or not.

PS: Apple Tablets (with keyboard 27 yeas ago) are just a little bit older than Androids:
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(thanks, boingboing.net)
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(thanks, Wikipedia)
 
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Then its a fact that you have never used an android device for more than a few minutes. The whole back button menu button paradigm of android differs very much from the way ios works. The back button in android is quite advanced and there is nothing in ios that works anyway close to how it works. Android also heaily uses the menu button. Also look at the options menus in android. They differ dramatically from ios.

You know so much about my personal life! Cheers mate.

The fact that I have extensively used HTC Desire, HTC Desire HD and the Nexus S still doesn't change my opinion that Android is just another copy of iOS.

As far as the back button is concerned, it sucks. It's confusing and frustrating most of the items.
 
You know so much about my personal life! Cheers mate.

The fact that I have extensively used HTC Desire, HTC Desire HD and the Nexus S still doesn't change my opinion that Android is just another copy of iOS.

As far as the back button is concerned, it sucks. It's confusing and frustrating most of the items.

They look nothing alike:
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How does the back button suck? It's just a button. :S
 
You know so much about my personal life! Cheers mate.

The fact that I have extensively used HTC Desire, HTC Desire HD and the Nexus S still doesn't change my opinion that Android is just another copy of iOS.

As far as the back button is concerned, it sucks. It's confusing and frustrating most of the items.

Yeah that part I put in bold tends to say you are full of it. It hard to believe you when those two things do not line up at all.
 
The fact that I have extensively used HTC Desire, HTC Desire HD and the Nexus S still doesn't change my opinion that Android is just another copy of iOS.

As far as the back button is concerned, it sucks. It's confusing and frustrating most of the items.

Android copy of iOS? Back button confusing?

Yap, opinions are free, they don't need to like reality.
 
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As already mentioned. It's good the ban was lifted. Apple should compete by improving their products rather than courtroom battles.
 
oh boy...

Oh girl?

Yeah that part I put in bold tends to say you are full of it. It hard to believe you when those two things do not line up at all.

Full of what? Just because I feel that Android is a copy of iOS like hundred thousands others make me full of "it"? You mean full of opinions?

Android copy of iOS? Back button confusing?
Yap, opinions are free, they don't need to like reality.

Oh! But your opinions must make it to reality right? From UI to tableviews to navigation and tabs, it breathes iOS. Even the APIs and views are named after iOS components. But nevertheless, I'm full of "it" and I'll have opinions which you according to your opinions don't make it to reality. Thrilling.

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They look nothing alike:
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How does the back button suck? It's just a button. :S

You're asking as if I'm the only person who has that opinion. It's not just Android. My experiences with back button on WindowsPhone 7 were very similar.

When sometimes in the browser and I press back, it goers out of the app into the previous app. How do I know about this change? iOS has a perfect back button action which takes you back to your previous view. It is consistent and you know the action response. In both Android and WP7 things can get messy. Sometimes, when you wish to go to the previous application, you would need to press the back button a number of times. As I said, its just confusing and frustrating.

If you feel I'm biased, no issues; I wish Android had a software level implementation of the back button. These days a lot of applications implement it and its less confusing than before. :)
 
Oh! But your opinions must make it to reality right?

When you find an opinion from mine that is not accorded to reality, sid it. Since then, you are the one that say things that doesn't stand to reality

From UI to tableviews to navigation and tabs, it breathes iOS. Even the APIs and views are named after iOS components.

Do you really want to be believed when you make those wrong claims?

Make you a favor, don't write if the things you will write are those silly things.

Well, perhaps someone that thinks that back button is confusing would see iOS even on a brick



When sometimes in the browser and I press back, it goers out of the app into the previous app. How do I know about this change? iOS has a perfect back button action which takes you back to your previous view. It is consistent and you know the action response.

Android back button is consistent and you know the action response, it gives you a back step.
 
You know it's gonna be good when it has a "facts" bold heading



Apple was founded in 1976, so what? The founder of Android did participate in creating a Unix-based phone before Android, it was called the Danger Hiptop aka T-Mobile Sidekick. Then they sold it to Microsoft, so of course they couldn't use it to create Android and had to start again.



Yes, and the photos show that the Android then had nothing to do with the Android that was released in 2008, 1 year after Apple released the iPhone to the public.

They scraped the whole thing and moved from being a keyboard oriented device to a touch-screen one.

But it had back and menu buttons? :rolleyes:

:D

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When you find an opinion from mine that is not accorded to reality, sid it. Since then, you are the one that say things that doesn't stand to reality

I am sorry but I really didn't understand that.

Do you really want to be believed when you make those wrong claims?

What's your point?

Make you a favor, don't write if the things you will write are those silly things.

What? Look at all your posts. I always attribute reasoning and experience to my posts and they are not always Apple centric. I have in a number of ways and in number of occasions criticised Apple. Not just mouth frothing belied or testified to their actions. My post history is intact and you can have a go at it.

Well, perhaps someone that thinks that back button is confusing would see iOS even on a brick

And here we go with your rationality and conclusiveness. :clap:

Android back button is consistent and you know the action response, it gives you a back step.

Again, back step in what? Escape application or back view? Inconsistent. But yes, like always keep beating your point with absolutely no reasoning and explanations.

My reasoning may not be sound or accurate but I do my part and do not force or throw my opinions without context. You might need to revisit your strategies really.
 
Again, back step in what? Escape application or back view? Inconsistent.

Back step in what have you done, a simple concept. You make an action and the back button takes you back on step.

You open a link from an app, back takes you to that app.
You share a thing with a twit, back takes you to the app.
You open a profile in twitter, back closes it

Consistent and simple

But yes, like always keep beating your point with absolutely no reasoning and explanations

When you don't understand this simple explanation the problem is not mine, is yours.
 
Oh! But your opinions must make it to reality right? From UI to tableviews to navigation and tabs, it breathes iOS. Even the APIs and views are named after iOS components. But nevertheless, I'm full of "it" and I'll have opinions which you according to your opinions don't make it to reality. Thrilling.


Boy just dig your hole even deeper. Clearly you are not a programmer and if you are you are a piss poor one if you do not under stand how methods and objects are named.

The name of the function calls, API, method, class, objects ect should tell you 90+% of what does. You should only really need to read the description in the documentation to confirm it is the correct one to take. That means if you are skimming the docs you should quickly be able find the correct one by just look at the names.


Common names and views are going to do the same thing. The descriptive name is going to be simple and the same.

I have done multiple projects in class and with people I do not work with at all we came up with the same exact (or about exactly the same) method names for certain parts in our calls. Hell even a lot of our variables names would line up for the same things.
Reason why this happen is they are descriptive names. We have the same requirements for the projects and as such the descriptive names are going to line up.
 
Make you a favor, don't write if the things you will write are those silly things.

Do yourself a favor and learn proper English! :cool:

PS: I'm not a native BE / AE speaker. I just don't like people telling others how and what to write in such a matter that even their grammar tells you: "Don't read further along, no good will follow!" :rolleyes:
 
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