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Samsung has always been ahead of Apple

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Hey,
I've been watching old phone reviews, because YouTube recommends me those and I've realised that Samsung and other manufacturers have always been ahead Apple and even the comments point that out. I didn't even know that
I didn't know that it was possible back in 2013. I literally thought such things started coming out in 2020 thanks to Apple's MagSafe and I thought that wireless charging was a "new thing".

And there are many many other examples.
I don't know why YouTube started recommending me old stuff, sometimes I get tech reviews from even 15 years ago and I get also videos like "Mac OS X Lion Review" that was uploaded in 2011 and has 500 views etc.
Interesting.
I know flip phones are pretty common these days too and Apple still hasn't done that, but flip phones are something I see every single day. Proves that people want smaller phones that fit in their pockets.

It's interesting really.
 
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Ahead of Apple? They certainly push the new tech or features ahead of Apple and Androids open source model allows for some newer features to be integrated into Android faster but ahead of Apple I am not so sure.

It is a difference of design philosophy. Apple takes years to develop a device planning every aspect of it way in advance. They don't include things they don't think will be useful and are conservative with new tech to make sure it works right.

Samsung and other Android OEM's have the opposite approach. Samsung is throw everything but the kitchen sink approach and sometimes it is really cool and works and sometimes you get half baked stuff that barely works and is more of a gimmick than a feature.

Apple will introduce a design like the iPhone X and everyone else will copy it for years. Then Apple just refines until the next major redesign. Who is ahead of who??
 
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I suppose it depends on your definition of “innovation”. With Samsung, it’s about being first. For Apple, it’s about being right.

For example, I remember Samsung (and android fanboys) tooting their horns about snapdragon and exynos processors having more ram and cores. Then Apple quietly released the A7 chip (dual core, with 1 gb ram), and it goes on to smoke the competition in terms of performance and power efficiency.

The irony was that the race for ever-increasing numbers blinded them to the reality that more cores also meant more heat (meaning increased throttling), and that android generally wasn’t optimised for it anyways.

Samsung was earlier with fingerprint sensors, Apple purchased Authentec, developed Secure Enclave and debuted Touch ID. They would later follow up with Face ID while Samsung’s facial recognition could be fooled with a single photo.

Android was supposedly more open, which led to carrier-branded handsets coming with tons of carrier bloatware and delayed software updates. With Samsung phones, it also means duplicates of common apps like mail and browser. In contrast, Apple’s power over carriers meant zero meddling or interference with patches.

Many apps also continue to be released for iOS first or exclusively despite Android having the larger market share. Samsung partners with Netflix and Spotify; Apple go on to setup their own streaming services.

Samsung likes to throw the camera with the highest megapixels into their phones. Apple innovates via their control over hardware and software by introducing HEIF format and allowing their photos to take up lesser storage space.

I guess Samsung takes the credit for mainstreaming OLED displays, and it shows in that I am seeing more Samsung phones around me with green lines on their screens. And they are apparently refusing to take responsibility for it.

www.channelnewsasia.com

Singapore consumer watchdog sees doubling of complaints about lines on phone screens

Almost all reports to the Consumer Association of Singapore were to do with Samsung phones.
www.channelnewsasia.com www.channelnewsasia.com

In response to CNA's queries, CASE said on Tuesday (Nov 19) that of the 49 complaints received over the past three years, all but one were against South Korean maker Samsung.
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The reason why Apple has an ecosystem to speak of is because they were willing to invest in having one in the first place. I suppose Android has reached a point where it is good enough now. Users will sink no further, but they will never rise beyond it either.

Suffice to say, I prefer Apple’s interpretation more.
 
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Since the days of Froyo, Samsung throws everything at the wall just to see what sticks. They will give you every shape/size of phone, every app you could ask for, every sensor, every gimmick. They are like the Ninja kitchen appliances. You want an air fryer, slow cooker, bread maker, and rice cooker? We make one device that does it all. That’s not necessarily innovation, it’s just a different strategy. Less looking at what customers want and more giving them everything and looking at what’s successful after the fact.
 
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Abazigal said:
I suppose it depends on your definition of “innovation”. With Samsung, it’s about being first. For Apple, it’s about being right.

For example, I remember Samsung (and android fanboys) tooting their horns about snapdragon and exynos processors having more ram and cores. Then Apple quietly released the A7 chip (dual core, with 1 gb ram), and it goes on to smoke the competition in terms of performance and power efficiency.

The irony was that the race for ever-increasing numbers blinded them to the reality that more cores also meant more heat (meaning increased throttling), and that android generally wasn’t optimised for it anyways.

Samsung was earlier with fingerprint sensors, Apple purchased Authentec, developed Secure Enclave and debuted Touch ID. They would later follow up with Face ID while Samsung’s facial recognition could be fooled with a single photo.

Android was supposedly more open, which led to carrier-branded handsets coming with tons of carrier bloatware and delayed software updates. With Samsung phones, it also means duplicates of common apps like mail and browser. In contrast, Apple’s power over carriers meant zero meddling or interference with patches.

Many apps also continue to be released for iOS first or exclusively despite Android having the larger market share. Samsung partners with Netflix and Spotify; Apple go on to setup their own streaming services.

Samsung likes to throw the camera with the highest megapixels into their phones. Apple innovates via their control over hardware and software by introducing HEIF format and allowing their photos to take up lesser storage space.

I guess Samsung takes the credit for mainstreaming OLED displays, and it shows in that I am seeing more Samsung phones around me with green lines on their screens. And they are apparently refusing to take responsibility for it.

www.channelnewsasia.com

Singapore consumer watchdog sees doubling of complaints about lines on phone screens

Almost all reports to the Consumer Association of Singapore were to do with Samsung phones.
www.channelnewsasia.com www.channelnewsasia.com



The reason why Apple has an ecosystem to speak of is because they were willing to invest in having one in the first place. I suppose Android has reached a point where it is good enough now. Users will sink no further, but they will never rise beyond it either.

Suffice to say, I prefer Apple’s interpretation more.
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HouseLannister said:
Since the days of Froyo, Samsung throws everything at the wall just to see what sticks. They will give you every shape/size of phone, every app you could ask for, every sensor, every gimmick. They are like the Ninja kitchen appliances. You want an air fryer, slow cooker, bread maker, and rice cooker? We make one device that does it all. That’s not necessarily innovation, it’s just a different strategy. Less looking at what customers want and more giving them everything and looking at what’s successful after the fact.
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Samsung is so far beyond your old talking points. The ecosystem argument is more stale than the "Apple does it right, rather than first" BS. How's that small 3.5 inch screen being the perfect size argument working for your you? How's the split screen multi tasking to make use of a larger screen size working for you? How's that late to the party Apple intelligence working for you? Apple does it right? Siri-ously? Lol. Apple, the new BB/Nokia. There's no ecosystem bigger and more flexible than Samsung's, and you get it all without any of that brain dead drone mentality of being locked in. We're in a new era, wake up and get out of the past.

Apple is this way because their blind loyalist client base aren't as critical as the client base for Android OEMs. Android users will drop an OEM as soon as they feel they're getting ripped off. There's more choice.

Apple Intelligence is late, but it's because they did it right. Sure. Absolute joke. Lol


 
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Zito Abroad said:
Samsung is so far beyond your old talking points. The ecosystem argument is more stale than the "Apple does it right, rather than first" BS. How's that small 3.5 inch screen being the perfect size argument working for your you? How's the split screen multi tasking to make use of a larger screen size working for you? How's that late to the party Apple intelligence working for you? Apple does it right? Siri-ously? Lol. Apple, the new BB/Nokia. There's no ecosystem bigger and more flexible than Samsung's, and you get it all without any of that brain dead drone mentality of being locked in. We're in a new era, wake up and get out of the past.

Apple is this way because their blind loyalist client base aren't as critical as the client base for Android OEMs. Android users will drop an OEM as soon as they feel they're getting ripped off. There's more choice.

Apple Intelligence is late, but it's because they did it right. Sure. Absolute joke. Lol


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You know people can just prefer iPhones right?
 
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NT1440 said:
You know people can just prefer iPhones right?
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of course...and people can have the S25U and 16 PM. But also there were some claim some Apple features are late because they are done better. That might have been true years ago. But not so much the last couple of years.
I love my 16PM and IOS 18 is a big improvement.
But Apple has dropped the ball with AI and other operating systems have passed IOS in features and user experience.
Apple has built a great ecosystem that is pretty awesome. But not everyone is immersed into that system.
I think other phone makers have passed Apple in innovation and features to be honest.
 
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iHorseHead said:
Hey,
I've been watching old phone reviews, because YouTube recommends me those and I've realised that Samsung and other manufacturers have always been ahead Apple and even the comments point that out. I didn't even know that
I didn't know that it was possible back in 2013. I literally thought such things started coming out in 2020 thanks to Apple's MagSafe and I thought that wireless charging was a "new thing".

And there are many many other examples.
I don't know why YouTube started recommending me old stuff, sometimes I get tech reviews from even 15 years ago and I get also videos like "Mac OS X Lion Review" that was uploaded in 2011 and has 500 views etc.
Interesting.
I know flip phones are pretty common these days too and Apple still hasn't done that, but flip phones are something I see every single day. Proves that people want smaller phones that fit in their pockets.

It's interesting really.
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Anyone getting their tech info from YouTube needs to learn how to learn. YouTube videos are mostly folks pumping sensationalism just to get clicks. Not valid info sources - - exactly the opposite.
 
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Zito Abroad said:
Samsung is so far beyond your old talking points. The ecosystem argument is more stale than the "Apple does it right, rather than first" BS. How's that small 3.5 inch screen being the perfect size argument working for your you? How's the split screen multi tasking to make use of a larger screen size working for you? How's that late to the party Apple intelligence working for you? Apple does it right? Siri-ously? Lol. Apple, the new BB/Nokia. There's no ecosystem bigger and more flexible than Samsung's, and you get it all without any of that brain dead drone mentality of being locked in. We're in a new era, wake up and get out of the past.
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Even facts too, can lie.

Samsung's strength is in their components manufacturing, and it stands to reason that their phones serve to act as marketing to drive sales for components such as OLED or flexible screens. When every vendor is using android as their base, the only way to meaningfully differentiate yourself from the competition is via hardware specs, and even that goes only so far.

For example, all the ram in the world, or the ability to sideload, can't incentivise developers to release apps for android if they don't want to. What's the android equivalent to Notability, an app I use on my iPad Pro for teaching every day? Or Play, Ivory, Overcast, Reeder or the latest Tapestry app? You can tell me know this android tablet is so much cheaper, or has more ram than my M4 iPad Pro. None of it matters if it does have access to the right software for the job.

There's Apple silicon on the Mac, there's the apple watch ultra, there's AirTags (building on an impressive network of iPhones), AirPods, there's the Apple TV which doesn't serve ads or track its user. Apple doesn't always get everything right, but they do enough of the fundamentals well enough that (and did it well enough right from the start) that they continue to pay dividends even today. And one of it was developing their own operating system and their own ecosystem and their own spin on existing technologies when necessary (eg: tandem oled on the iPad Pro), while everyone else can only rely on Android and Google's platform.

You do you. But I stand by my earlier point that as long as smartphone OEMs stay dependent on android, they will never rise above it.
 
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Abazigal said:
Many apps also continue to be released for iOS first or exclusively despite Android having the larger market share. Samsung partners with Netflix and Spotify; Apple go on to setup their own streaming services.
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yet so many vision pro owners are begging for a netflix app.
 
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yet so many vision pro owners are begging for a netflix app.
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True, while also conveniently skirting around the other points that I did raise.

It's times like this that I appreciate Apple having their own music streaming service and TV+. If nobody wants to make content for the Vision Pro, then Apple will. :)

We may never see another company enter the market with a third ecosystem offering, which is why I am happy that Apple decided to go all-in on that when they did (and thus serving as a viable alternative to Android). It's hard to look at the state of affairs like android tv tracking and go "yeah, that's Android OEMs being innovative right there".
 
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I don't really thing.
I own a couple of business with physical products.,
Sometime, you want to be abnormal to use some tech taht is very unneccesary to draw attention
 
Abazigal said:
Even facts too, can lie.

Samsung's strength is in their components manufacturing, and it stands to reason that their phones serve to act as marketing to drive sales for components such as OLED or flexible screens. When every vendor is using android as their base, the only way to meaningfully differentiate yourself from the competition is via hardware specs, and even that goes only so far.

For example, all the ram in the world, or the ability to sideload, can't incentivise developers to release apps for android if they don't want to. What's the android equivalent to Notability, an app I use on my iPad Pro for teaching every day? Or Play, Ivory, Overcast, Reeder or the latest Tapestry app? You can tell me know this android tablet is so much cheaper, or has more ram than my M4 iPad Pro. None of it matters if it does have access to the right software for the job.

There's Apple silicon on the Mac, there's the apple watch ultra, there's AirTags (building on an impressive network of iPhones), AirPods, there's the Apple TV which doesn't serve ads or track its user. Apple doesn't always get everything right, but they do enough of the fundamentals well enough that (and did it well enough right from the start) that they continue to pay dividends even today. And one of it was developing their own operating system and their own ecosystem and their own spin on existing technologies when necessary (eg: tandem oled on the iPad Pro), while everyone else can only rely on Android and Google's platform.

You do you. But I stand by my earlier point that as long as smartphone OEMs stay dependent on android, they will never rise above it.
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Aaaand this convo is over. lol
 
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And one more PSA, while we are on this topic.

jack (@jack@mastodon.sdf.org)

You remember #Apple scanning all images on your #mobile device? If you have an #Android #phone, a new app that doesn't appear in your menu has been automatically and silently installed (or soon will be) by #Google. It is called #AndroidSystemSafetyCore and does exactly the same - scan all...
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You remember #Apple scanning all images on your #mobile device?

If you have an #Android #phone, a new app that doesn't appear in your menu has been automatically and silently installed (or soon will be) by #Google. It is called #AndroidSystemSafetyCore and does exactly the same - scan all images on your device as well as all incoming ones (via messaging). The new spin is that it does so "to protect your #privacy".

You can uninstall this app safely via System -> Apps.

developers.google.com

Google System APK Transparency | Android Binary Transparency | Google for Developers

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jack (@jack@mastodon.sdf.org)

You remember #Apple scanning all images on your #mobile device? If you have an #Android #phone, a new app that doesn't appear in your menu has been automatically and silently installed (or soon will be) by #Google. It is called #AndroidSystemSafetyCore and does exactly the same - scan all...
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The main feature users want is a powerful and energy efficient CPU and GPU. That’s where the most advanced innovations are and nobody touches Apple here. They are years behind in the mobile processor space.

Every other feature is considered easy work.
 
iHorseHead said:
Hey,
I've been watching old phone reviews, because YouTube recommends me those and I've realised that Samsung and other manufacturers have always been ahead Apple and even the comments point that out. I didn't even know that
I didn't know that it was possible back in 2013. I literally thought such things started coming out in 2020 thanks to Apple's MagSafe and I thought that wireless charging was a "new thing".

And there are many many other examples.
I don't know why YouTube started recommending me old stuff, sometimes I get tech reviews from even 15 years ago and I get also videos like "Mac OS X Lion Review" that was uploaded in 2011 and has 500 views etc.
Interesting.
I know flip phones are pretty common these days too and Apple still hasn't done that, but flip phones are something I see every single day. Proves that people want smaller phones that fit in their pockets.

It's interesting really.
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Wireless charging was first available with the Palm Pre in like 2009.

It wasn't new even in 2013.
 
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Zito Abroad said:
Apple Intelligence is late
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This is even very hard to defend.
I don't know. Lately I've been feeling like I should've bought Samsung instead of iPhone 14. I would've gotten more RAM and the AI features for cheaper. Samsung does have it's flaws and you have to look what you are buying.
This for example is unacceptable.
 
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