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It’s 2018 almost 2019, who still uses 100yr old tech, headphone jack what? It’s all wireless baby. Ohh and the people who do are a minority out of the entire global smartphone industry.

People who enjoy good audio quality. But you wouldn’t know, you seem like a blind fanboy.

Every bluetooth headphone I have tried, including the airpods are a hissing mess.
 
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There are a lot of 3.5mm fans still around.

Copper works every time. Wireless doesn't. It's true whether we're talking about WiFi, Qi, Bluetooth audio, Cellular, etc.
 
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I am not an audiophile by any means but I do hear a big difference between wired and blue tooth headphones. I am holding on to my 6S+ with pure dorm grip until it dies..
I'm slightly deaf on the left, so you can consider it a blessing and a curse lol
 
People who enjoy good audio quality. But you wouldn’t know, you seem like a blind fanboy.

Every bluetooth headphone I have tried, including the airpods are a hissing mess.

Most of the time headphones are worn outside, or commuting, there's a lot of noise outside, so your point is moot.

I don't disagree completely though, there are other advantages like you don't have to charge them, smaller (no charger/carrying case, cheaper and so on.


There are a lot of 3.5mm fans still around.

Copper works every time. Wireless doesn't. It's true whether we're talking about WiFi, Qi, Bluetooth audio, Cellular, etc.

Copper does not always work, like for instance, your local block is out of power... means no power for internet yet your phone might still be connected.
In essence I agree though, copper is by far more reliable.
 
This is all normal. Remember how Apple made fun of wireless charging because you still needed a wire? 5 years later they added it with the same limitations. Companies will point out their differences and then ignore the past later. Presumably they're at least still including the dongle unlike Apple.
 
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Wait. iPhones still have headphones in the box, they're just Lightning ones. Do these Samsung come with USB-C headphones, or no headphones at all?
 
I don't think they are moving to USB-C at all, at least not on iPhone. The used USB-C for iPad is because iPad needs to adopt to professional usage, and USB-C has the speed and power, and possibly in the future used as Thunderbolt. iPhone doesn't need any of that.
It would be even dumber to have two incompatible connectors on iOS devices.
 
Perhaps they’re genuinely scared at their fan bases reaction, after a solid year making fun of screen-shape compromises?
I'm guessing Samsung is testing market reaction to removing the phone jack by starting with a less than flagship model. Until no flagship phones have phone jacks, I will continue to buy high quality phones which still have it. Samsung, LG, and other Android manufacturers, please pay attention to sound enthusiasts. Apple, you used to; you stopped 3 years ago, and lost many of those people as customers. You don't care, so most audiophiles have moved to other products for quality sound. I like a lot of Apple phone features, especially privacy considerations - Google/Android monitors Android phones, especially with geolocation, an order of magnitude more than Apple allows with iPhones. I just wish Apple would produce a moderately priced iPhone model, preferably with a phone jack, but with the advantages of iOS for privacy. That would allow me to have the advantages of iPhone privacy in times when I'm not worrying about sound (90% of the time). BTW, here's an interesting NYT article on how companies monitor your location data on a regular basis (I know, off topic, but Apple is MUCH more privacy oriented than Android - just a fact):

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...YTYV9WfWqx6E6__ZShb7UUCjX1Go4k5KkMP9vkF9DNahA
 
Apple didn’t remove the headphone jack in favour of lightning. They’ve been using lightning since the iPhone 5 while keeping the headphone jack until the iPhone 7, four years later.
They removed the headphone jack in favor of Lightning for the purposes of audio output.
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So, what will the poor new owners of the most expensive Apple iPad do now?
 
I have had an iPhone 7 for over two years now, and I still think it was asinine to remove the headphone jack in favor of the Lightning connector.

At least Samsung is using a standard port - USB-C, so one adapter (or one pair of earphones) would work with any other standards based device. Apple is now eliminating the Lightning port in favor of USB-C, so now you have to have three different ways to connect headphones to a device in the Apple ecosystem. This is just dumb and sloppy.

Lightning was a transitional connector. Everyone knew it. The standard is USB-C. Apple should have waited with removing the headphone jack until they fully transition to the standards based connector on their iPhones and iPads.

Apple isn't trying to make Lightning a standard for audio, they're pushing people to wireless.

I'd agree with you in theory that USB-C would be better in that there would be a good universal wired standard alongside wireless options, but the problem at least in the phone world is that hasn't panned out at all. Look at all the threads from Android users trying to just figure out what adapters they need or why their USB-C headphones aren't working. For all the grief people give Apple about their switching, they had Lightning EarPods still in the box and an adapter until this year, which was far better a transition than for Android sets (hell the most common adapter I see recommended is Apple's, not some random cheap one, partly because the USB-C transition has been such a cluster.)
 
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I don't think they are moving to USB-C at all, at least not on iPhone. The used USB-C for iPad is because iPad needs to adopt to professional usage, and USB-C has the speed and power, and possibly in the future used as Thunderbolt. iPhone doesn't need any of that.
If they were truly concerned about "professionals", they would have retained the phone jack on the iPad Pro. I know that many musicians like to use iPads for scores/sheet music apps in conjunction with simultaneous sound monitoring, preferably with high quality wired headphones. I'm okay with USB-C for the most part for non-sound peripherals and charging. The only issue I have with USB C, at least in my experience, is that the ports aren't very robust and wear out fairly quickly (compared to lightning and other USB ports).
 
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Most of the time headphones are worn outside, or commuting, there's a lot of noise outside, so your point is moot.

Your point is moot assuming people are not entitled to enjoy their headphones in the quiet of their own homes. This is the type of ignorance that causes notches in the display, missing ports, and locked down operating systems.
 
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A phone with a physical keyboard and a headphone jack that puts functionality first. Its really quite nice to have a phone that isn't built to be an artpiece.

Well, that’s what Steve Ballmer said when asked about the iPhone back in 2007. He even laughed. He ain’t laughing now is he.
 
If they were truly concerned about "professionals", they would have retained the phone jack on the iPad Pro. I know that many musicians like to use iPads for scores/sheet music apps in conjunction with simultaneous sound monitoring, preferably with high quality wired headphones. I'm okay with USB-C for the most part for non-sound peripherals and charging. The only issue I have with USB C, at least in my experience, is that the ports aren't very robust and wear out fairly quickly (compared to lightning and other USB ports).

Most audio professionals actually use an audio hub (I think that's what it's called, got into a long discussion on here with someone), which can connect via lightning/USC C, so no headphone jack doesn't make much of a difference for those people.
 
I'm a bit split on the fact the screen goes around the camera. I kind of like it. I kind of think it'd be better (and cheaper) if it just had a notch taken out of the corner.

Then again, maybe there's something useful they can do with the few pixels in that corner... some kind of status could be conveyed via a colored dot over there, or maybe with a ring around the camera, or something.
 
I'm guessing Samsung is testing market reaction to removing the phone jack by starting with a less than flagship model. Until no flagship phones have phone jacks, I will continue to buy high quality phones which still have it. Samsung, LG, and other Android manufacturers, please pay attention to sound enthusiasts. Apple, you used to; you stopped 3 years ago, and lost many of those people as customers. You don't care, so most audiophiles have moved to other products for quality sound. I like a lot of Apple phone features, especially privacy considerations - Google/Android monitors Android phones, especially with geolocation, an order of magnitude more than Apple allows with iPhones. I just wish Apple would produce a moderately priced iPhone model, preferably with a phone jack, but with the advantages of iOS for privacy. That would allow me to have the advantages of iPhone privacy in times when I'm not worrying about sound (90% of the time). BTW, here's an interesting NYT article on how companies monitor your location data on a regular basis (I know, off topic, but Apple is MUCH more privacy oriented than Android - just a fact):

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...YTYV9WfWqx6E6__ZShb7UUCjX1Go4k5KkMP9vkF9DNahA
Well the SE would have filled the bill but I suppose that chapter is closed.
 
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