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Samsung Cameras have always been worse than my iPhone cameras, so i am saying I dont see this being better than my 15 Pm. I know you are itching for that gotcha but not today, mate :)
Well, I did catch you out. Unless you edited your post it's still there for all to see.

A, You stated it as a fact that it isn't better than your iPhone, without testing it

B, You then backtracked and said we'd have to wait and see

C, You now claim I didn't catch you out, despite the fact I did catch you out. Whoops!

Here's an egg to bash on your forehead: 🥚😉
 
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You stated as a fact that the camera is "mot... Better than my pro max" [sic] and then later changed your claim to how you just don't see it being better, after I said it was yet to be verified. Hardly an exciting "gotcha" to claim, but I did make you backtrack. 😉
 
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You're moving the goal post to try and make a point. Your whole "argument" was Apple copied Samsung. Which implies that Samsung was first and i quickly pointed out several instances where that is not at all true.
No it doesn't imply "Samsung was first" the same way Apple wasn't the first with the things Samsung was accused of copying a few pages back. I thought you managed to understand that, it's very very basic logic.
And I didn't move anything, more like you are the one that did that.

What is even more hilarious is that you accuse Apple of copying Samsung (who themselves literally copied other OEMs) when Samsungs initial thing were its galaxy phones were literally knockoff iphone designs and the UIX for touchwiz was literally a poor man's IOS (much like Android was for the first like 4 years lol).
Actually Samsung's hardware was always quite different (seriously, do a simple web search and see for yourself instead of just assuming)but I'm not surprised would you go there.

You literally can not sit here and say Apple copied Samsung when Samsung's initial success came from the fact it looked like an iPhone.
Wow this is a funny one 🤣😂
Anyway these are the first 2 Galaxy smartphones Samsung launched
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I am all about being a fan but let's not give credit where Credit is not due and Samsung POPULARIZED already existing ideas, they did not create them as you implied.
Samsung contribution to OLED screen technology was essential to this tech reaching the current level. Basically any smartphone that's not extremely cheap has an OLED screen and that's because of Samsung.

Apple also didn't invent flat screens, Titanium on phones and so on.

Thus apple never copied Samsung, they followed trends.

But Samsung copied titanium frame from Apple or flat screens or thin bevels (I even saw an Apple fan complaining about that 😂)?
 
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Why is this ugly thing on MacRumors? is Android Rumors not busy enough? I'm guessing Samsung cut a check. What does a Samsung phone have to do with a Mac and/or Apple related products?

Because they are the only direct competitor. And I mean only. Android as a whole does not count. Samsung attempts to directly copy Apple's products, and even more so its ecosystem, even more than Microsoft ever copied the Mac for Windows. And Microsoft's copying has become legendary. Samsung is in some ways repeating history.
 
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And yet Samsung's market share shrank in 2023, while Apple's continue to grow.
Samsung's market share shrank because they sold fewer cheeper phones. Their high end series sold better than previous generations so it looks like a deliberate strategy from Samsung.

Maybe there is more to the user experience than simply rattling off a checklist of specs.
I'm sure Samsung knows way better than you.
 
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And yet Samsung's market share shrank in 2023, while Apple's continue to grow.

Maybe there is more to the user experience than simply rattling off a checklist of specs.
iPhone market share grew up in 2023 because feature-wise Android phones plateaued a few years before iPhones. In 2023, iPhones added USB port and periscope lens which Android phones already had for a few years. iPhones plateauing now means that their sales won't grow and most likely will drop in years to come. So, iPhones have been and still are lagging in user experience. Apple next move willbe trying to catch up with foldable phones.
 
Because they are the only direct competitor. And I mean only. Android as a whole does not count. Samsung attempts to directly copy Apple's products, and even more so its ecosystem, even more than Microsoft ever copied the Mac for Windows. And Microsoft's copying has become legendary. Samsung is in some ways repeating history.
Just in 2023, Apple copied USB port and periscope lens from Samsung/Android. Before that they copied large screens, OLED, fast charging, wireless charging, NFC, RAM size, Widgets, customizable home screen etc. iPhone is just a delayed by a few years copy of Samsung phones. Next in line for copying are foldable phones.
 
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