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Just make it cheaper, make it faster, make it work with iPad & lumafusion and I am golden.

still rocking a T7 500gb and always in need of more space.
 
Not worth engaging with this. Apple internal drive at 7x the speed with cooling, etc. — these facts are lost on those that don’t understand the benefits of internal vs external — they just look at price.
It’s a valid complaint. The “cooling, etc” is already in the computer… adding storage doesn’t add additional hardware for cooling. The “Cost” of adding storage is far, far less than the “Price.”
 
Not worth engaging with this. Apple internal drive at 7x the speed with cooling, etc. — these facts are lost on those that don’t understand the benefits of internal vs external — they just look at price.
Eh? You don’t back up your computer to an internal drive though do you?
 
big fan of the Samsung portable SSDs - never needed a "rugged" one personally but I'm glad they have that now.

note the prices are just msrp - you can always find these cheaper and they are often on sale.

Samsung makes portable SSDs that are so good I never get extra storage from Apple - I just use these.
 
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the T7 is fine for casual users but it lacks DRAM and instead uses a SLC cache. Ive personally seen a massive performance issue that I attribute to this problem. Google it. Better off with Sandisk Extreme.
This is super helpful. Every couple months when I'm thinking about getting an external drive, I end up looking at the Samsung drives and waffle on purchasing. This comment is going to change my approach.
 
Have two of these and they work great for what they are. Boot off one of these on a computer with problems with the combined SSD/spinning drive.
 
Have two of these and they work great for what they are. Boot off one of these on a computer with problems with the combined SSD/spinning drive.
You can decouple the Fusion drive, assuming it's not already completely hosed. If it's a larger SSD (eg. 128 GB), you can use that as the boot drive.

Which machine?
 
I have the regular T7. The T7 doesn’t run hot.

At most the T7 gets warm, even when running at near full tilt for extended periods.
That's largely due to aluminum exterior and some due to throttling. But imagine you wrap the entire heat exchange surface with rubber :)
 
This is super helpful. Every couple months when I'm thinking about getting an external drive, I end up looking at the Samsung drives and waffle on purchasing. This comment is going to change my approach.
Glad I could help. Irritated me and I asked Amazon to take it back about 5 months in which they did. Not that I wasn't buying like 10k worth of gear a month at the time but nice of them to extend themselves...

This kinda spells out the real world performance stack-up:

And like I said, I had situations where my T7 was transferring at like 100Mb/sec seemingly inexplicably. I didnt understand how this was possible until I did the research on its crummy DRAM bypass. It looks like the T7 shield performs better and leaves the original T7 "in the dust". Still my money would go elsewhere. The Sandisk. Looks pretty sweet.
 
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Samsung's T7 drives are nice (I have several) but I've never looked at one and thought, "this is great, but why can't they make a version that will still work after I hit with a golf club?"
[Shrug]. I still have no interest in an Apple Watch (nm I'd also have to get an iPhone to properly use on), nor any smartwatch, but doesn't mean there isn't a market for this stuff. Since it's slated for outside use, I'm sure those in the field would appreciates such features.

About a decade back, a company made a tape drive that can survive extreme temperatures. They even tested it by throwing it into a freezer, and also by throwing it in a boiling pot while cooking spaghetti.
 
Are you actually trying to compare low speed external SSD to high speed internal SSD that apple uses?
Its limited by the interface speed not the drive its self lol. USB 3.2 Gen 2 10GB/s speeds because thats all the USB apple supports on most of their USB ports currently. Some machines will do USB 4 but they dont do USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 which many of Samsungs equipment can max out for their NVME's.

But to ensure wide compatibility they use a 3.2 Gen 2 interface for 10 GB/s Interface which... is about 1050Mb/s Anyways.

The point is the drive inside is likely capable of pushing 2-4,000 MB/s and has additional hardware AND is significantly cheaper AND has the interface and SSD controller on it.

Apple is pushing 300-400 Approx for a TB on a mac studio without the external interface, no USB interface, and NO SSD controller on it at all. The upgrade to 1TB is 200$ alone so we dont know the exact pricing on the Drives apple initially uses but 300-400$ total is a good bet.


The SKC3000S/1024G is the fastest NVME Card you can get at 7,000 MB/s Read at 174$ currently for 1TB on amazon.

So thats for reference..... Apple significantly charges for more components that can **** you. If the SSD controller dies on the mac studio you need a new MB not a new NVME like how it would on other machines with a replaceable NVME
 
Glad I could help. Irritated me and I asked Amazon to take it back about 5 months in which they did. Not that I wasn't buying like 10k worth of gear a month at the time but nice of them to extend themselves...

This kinda spells out the real world performance stack-up:

And like I said, I had situations where my T7 was transferring at like 100Mb/sec seemingly inexplicably. I didnt understand how this was possible until I did the research on its crummy DRAM bypass. It looks like the T7 shield performs better and leaves the original T7 "in the dust". Still my money would go elsewhere. The Sandisk. Looks pretty sweet.
you should consider getting sabrents external NVME Device that has a 3.2 Gen 2 10 GB/s interface and allows you to put pretty much any NVME inside of it. Irregardless of the NVME drives i put in it, sandisk, topmore, samsung, and my favorite Hynix..

I would max out the USB interface at 1050 MB/s. I keep 2-3 of them connected 24/7 and use some as portables. They have been great.

I has WD/s BLack externals that can hit 20GB/s at 3.2 Gen 2x2 but they randomly disconnect due to the USB controller in them.

The Sabrent External Enclosures haven't caused me any issues on macs or PC's
 
Its limited by the interface speed not the drive its self lol. USB 3.2 Gen 2 10GB/s speeds because thats all the USB apple supports on most of their USB ports currently. Some machines will do USB 4 but they dont do USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 which many of Samsungs equipment can max out for their NVME's.

But to ensure wide compatibility they use a 3.2 Gen 2 interface for 10 GB/s Interface which... is about 1050Mb/s Anyways.

The point is the drive inside is likely capable of pushing 2-4,000 MB/s and has additional hardware AND is significantly cheaper AND has the interface and SSD controller on it.

Apple is pushing 300-400 Approx for a TB on a mac studio without the external interface, no USB interface, and NO SSD controller on it at all. The upgrade to 1TB is 200$ alone so we dont know the exact pricing on the Drives apple initially uses but 300-400$ total is a good bet.


The SKC3000S/1024G is the fastest NVME Card you can get at 7,000 MB/s Read at 174$ currently for 1TB on amazon.

So thats for reference..... Apple significantly charges for more components that can **** you. If the SSD controller dies on the mac studio you need a new MB not a new NVME like how it would on other machines with a replaceable NVME
It doesn't matter what the drive is capable of doing if it's not doing it, It's not doing it on Apple machines and it's not doing it on PCs.
 
Internal ssd is always going to be faster. Yet, it does not have that dramatic real world usage difference.

Don’t make excuses for it; Apple charges too much for SSD upgrade. That is just a fact.
I mean, I totally agree with your point about apple charging insane prices but there is a huge difference in speed between my MacBook’s SSD and my Samsung T5. I use it at least once a week. It’s not even comparable.
 
you should consider getting sabrents external NVME Device that has a 3.2 Gen 2 10 GB/s interface and allows you to put pretty much any NVME inside of it. Irregardless of the NVME drives i put in it, sandisk, topmore, samsung, and my favorite Hynix..

I would max out the USB interface at 1050 MB/s. I keep 2-3 of them connected 24/7 and use some as portables. They have been great.

I has WD/s BLack externals that can hit 20GB/s at 3.2 Gen 2x2 but they randomly disconnect due to the USB controller in them.

The Sabrent External Enclosures haven't caused me any issues on macs or PC's
Great thought. Ive loved their stuff. I am more the purchasing engineer than the user and we have the SSDs we need at the moment. These get used in the field and then dumped into a 16x16 drive Synology 4021xs+ RAID 6 with dual 800gb SSD cache and 2x 10GbE NICs.
 
$160 for a terabyte. How much does Apple charge for a terabyte that doesn’t even come with a nice case around it?

There’s a difference between a cost and value. You are free to buy the base Mac model and rely primarily on external storage for more space, or pay extra for the convenience of added internal storage and not needing to deal with cables and stuff.

Apple basically sees their spec upgrades as optional add-ons, like buying a case for your phone, and prices them accordingly.
 
There’s a difference between a cost and value. You are free to buy the base Mac model and rely primarily on external storage for more space, or pay extra for the convenience of added internal storage and not needing to deal with cables and stuff.
Yes. You are free to make only that choice. Because Apple has intentionally locked out the ability to expand the internal storage on their so-called "workstation" computers after purchase.

Man, so much value.
 
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External SSD is always going to be slower than internal one due to throughput, better cooling and latency. If you care so much about speed, go ahead and buy internal one. Lots of people just want extra storage with good speed. Why are people bashing Samsung for releasing cheaper external SSD at lower speed? It is undeniable that Apple charges too much for internal storage.
I don’t think people are bashing Samsung — I’m certainly not. But to say that Apple is overcharging by pricing over $160/tb based on the price of an external ssd is absurd.
 
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