Samsung Mocks Apple's Decision to Remove the Headphone Jack in iPhone 7

[drumcat]

Well the 3.5mm jack wasnt going to last forever, it was going to be replaced eventually. So why not replace it with a port that not only do you offer on your own products, but also every other competitor will eventually use.

Also if I am not mistaken doesn't USB-C offer more features tech wise (like faster speeds, wider variety of things you can do with it, etc) over the lighting port? Imagine if you could charge your laptop and phone with the same cable? Or if your headphones you use on your MacBook you could immediately use on your iPhone without needing an adaptor?

My issue is more that If I buy 2 products from apple (MB & Ip7), I have to use an adaptor to use my headphones....

Why? I mean, do tell me how the 3.5mm jack is a failure. It's like saying your wall outlet will eventually change... yes, it will, but only if it substantially improves.

A 3.5mm is a passive carrier. it is a superior technology because it does not require reencoding and redecoding. But besides that, Bluetooth is ALREADY OFFERED. It works just fine in my 6S for boomboxes and other lower quality audio feeds. I like it, I use it, and I look forward to it improving where many new devices are v4.5/5.

But that's the thing. It is not being replaced. You cannot use the word "REPLACED". It is being omitted by design. Replacement implies switching it out. It's not. In the 6S, you have Lightning/DAC, BT 4.5, and 3.5mm. In the 7, you simply are removing the 3.5mm. That's simply a design omission that is to me going to be a large problem for the next three years.

About USB-C, yes, you are right. The timeline sucked...

 

[rsrocha]

Spoken like an Apple fanboy who doesn't know anything yet feels the need to say something negative about Samsung.

How was Samsung able to exist and grow for nearly 68 years (Samsung was founded in 1938) prior to the introduction of the iPhone if they haven't been able to sell anything?

Since you dislike Samsung so much, that must mean you do not own a single Apple product that has a Samsung component in it, right?

Don't forget to thank samsung for the internals of the first iphone.

 

[SBlue1]

While a pain, isn't it rumored to come with the adapter? 3.5mm to lightning?

So what is the point of removing the audio jack? What do you gain?

 

[morcutt11]

Why do you think was attacking the iPhone 7? some of the the flagships that was launched recently does not include the headphone jack, but the reason you don't know that! because you're stuck in Apple's bubble!

Read the title of the article, then you can take it up with the author...

 

[xnu]

Spoken like an Apple fanboy who doesn't know anything and just feels the need to say something negative about Samsung.

How was Samsung able to exist and grow for nearly 68 years (Samsung was founded in 1938) prior to the introduction of the iPhone if they haven't been able to sell anything?

Since you dislike Samsung so much, that must mean you do not own a single Apple product that has a Samsung component in it, right?

While it is was obvious to any objective person that Samsung copied the iPhone, it is now obvious it has surpassed it in hardware features. If the roles were reversed we would be lauding Apple on how far ahead they are in the phone market. It takes more than just hardware to make a smartphone, but Samsung has shown incredible leaps in arguably useful features.

I can give Apple a break for couple of years, they are building an enormous new campus and are probably spending a tremendous about of time on picking the paint colors for their new offices... white or arctic white. Perhaps the same reason they can't seem to update their Mac line. Colors are hard.

Apple fanboi since 1983.

 

[mpavilion]

Read the title of the article, then you can take it up with the author...

The whole article (especially the title) is "clickbait"... and it worked!

 

[cocky jeremy]

They mock it, but you can bet your ass when Apple removes it, they'll copy it. Guaranteed.

 

[drumcat]

While is was obvious to any objective person that Samsung copied the iPhone, it is now obvious it has surpassed it in hardware features. If the roles were reversed we would be lauding Apple on how far ahead they are in the phone market. It takes more than just hardware to make a smartphone, but Samsung has shown incredible leaps in arguably useful features.

I can give Apple a break for couple of years, they are building an enormous new campus and are probably spending a tremendous about of time on picking the paint colors for their new offices... white or arctic white. Perhaps the same reason they can't seem to update their Mac line. Colors are hard.

Apple fanboi since 1983.

 

[DudeDad]

The future is wireless and Apple is doing it sooner. Yes, I know, wired has better SQ, but (1) the majority don't care about SQ (if they did, why would they listen to the crap that comes out now); and (2) BT and wireless are constantly improving. We will all bitch and moan, and in a year or so, it will be a debate from the past. Sure, I have a pair of B&O cans that, while overpriced, are quite amazing. I'll use the adapter and I'll live. Eventually, I'll get a pair of good BT and won't look back.

Can we now get back to the end-of-the-world argument when Apple changed the iTunes logo a few years ago?

 

[MH01]

People also bitched about the removal of a CD drive on MacBooks, not supporting flash on iPhone, not including flash in OS X, et cetera, et cetera. People will get over it.

Great comparison there, lets compare a CD drive and software to headphones that are probably one of the most used devices presently....

Problem is the headphone is not going away, you are just going to pay more.

Had Apple actually improved sound qualify , boom, awesome, they are not , BT audio is inferior, and enjoy the MFI tax on your headphones .... This is stupid ***** Sony used to pull....

 

[sw1tcher]

This guy is going to get it mercilessly when Samsung does the same thing.

It's going to be his 'shut down the company and give the money back to the shareholders' moment.

Looking forward to it.

Why is he going to "get it mercilessly" if Samsung ever removes the 3.5mm jack? Did he or someone at Samsung say they will never ever removed the 3.5mm jack?

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Samsung wants to wait and see what consumer reaction will be to smartphones that don't have 3.5mm jacks first? Maybe their research studies have shown that consumers still want a 3.5mm jack, so Samsung is giving them what they want.

Just look at the comments from MacRumor members regarding the possibility that Apple will remove the 3.5mm jack. They've been mostly negative.

 

[MH01]

The future is wireless and Apple is doing it sooner. Yes, I know, wired has better SQ, but (1) the majority don't care about SQ (if they did, why would they listen to the crap that comes out now); and (2) BT and wireless are constantly improving. We will all bitch and moan, and in a year or so, it will be a debate from the past. Sure, I have a pair of B&O cans that, while overpriced, are quite amazing. I'll use the adapter and I'll live. Eventually, I'll get a pair of good BT and won't look back.

Can we now get back to the end-of-the-world argument when Apple changed the iTunes logo a few years ago?

Problem is BT will not equal wired in a year, I've used BT for years, it's a convienice, wired is superior .

Same was said about wireless matching wired , no contest, wired is still far superior , and how long ago did macs transition to wireless?

 

[mpavilion]

Great comparison there, lets compare a CD drive and software to headphones that are probably one of the most used devices presently....

Problem is the headphone is not going away, you are just going to pay more.

Had Apple actually improved sound qualify , boom, awesome, they are not , BT audio is inferior, and enjoy the MFI tax on your headphones .... This is stupid ***** Sony used to pull....

Removing the CD drive on the new iMacs actually pushed me from iTunes to Google Music (since I now have to rip CDs on my work computer)!

 

[thecurryman]

Why? I mean, do tell me how the 3.5mm jack is a failure. It's like saying your wall outlet will eventually change... yes, it will, but only if it substantially improves.

A 3.5mm is a passive carrier. it is a superior technology because it does not require reencoding and redecoding. But besides that, Bluetooth is ALREADY OFFERED. It works just fine in my 6S for boomboxes and other lower quality audio feeds. I like it, I use it, and I look forward to it improving where many new devices are v4.5/5.

But that's the thing. It is not being replaced. You cannot use the word "REPLACED". It is being omitted by design. Replacement implies switching it out. It's not. In the 6S, you have Lightning/DAC, BT 4.5, and 3.5mm. In the 7, you simply are removing the 3.5mm. That's simply a design omission that is to me going to be a large problem for the next three years.

About USB-C, yes, you are right. The timeline sucked...

Its not a failure... But that doesn't mean its not obsolete. VGA wasnt a failure but its been phased out for HDMI. Bluetooth audio is not as good as wired and even the newer BT v4.5/5 isn't the same quality. Also, USB-c does have better audio quality than 3.5mm. And it is being replaced. Just because there are less ports doesn't mean something is not replaced. Instead of plugging into a 3.5mm you plug into a usb-c, its still replacement for the port. I guess the better way to word it would have been integrated but either way I think we have the same argument, that they shouldnt remove the 3.5 jack or at least not yet. My issue is using lightening instead of usb-c which IMO is a bad business move

 

[cwagdev]

Mocking a phone that doesn't exist? That's how you sell your product?

We could give him the benefit of the doubt, https://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/09/motorola-new-smartphones-no-headphone-jack/

To be fair, the Moto Z is more of a direct competitor than the iPhone.

 

[mattopotamus]

So what is the point of removing the audio jack? What do you gain?

Touché. Stereo audio from the speakers I guess.

 

[RedOrchestra]

They mock it, but you can bet your ass when Apple removes it, they'll copy it. Guaranteed.

I guess we can put you down as someone who agrees with EVERYTHING Apple does, huh?

 

[Nuvi]

You do understand that arguing against innovation isn't a stable platform for any argument, but hey, let's all just go back to the cave shall we?

If Apple are wrong on this, then you can have the last laugh, ok?

What innovation are you talking about? You can use Lightning or BT headphones with your current iPhone. iPhone has probably the best built-in mobile device DAC in the market. Why do you think removing it is innovation? You honestly think that some external crappy DAC is going to produce better sound?!? If you really want better audio then you need to spend some serious money ($500 or more). Then again you can already achieve the same with current iPhones and still keep that excellent built-in DAC. It seems Steve's reality distortion field is still alive and kicking...

 

[kdarling]

Maybe some people here in the forum are too young or never used phones back in 2001.

Nokia didn't have a headphone jack. Needed to use their supplied headphones with that 15 pin connector. Many Motorola, Samsung and windows mobile phones used mini USB headphones or proprietary headphone connectors.

People wouldn't care and used what was supplied with the phone even if it was the worst crap.

Remember those days?

Yes, I remember those days.

Not sure about where you're from, but in the US, I can't think of a smartphone that didn't come with a headphone jack.

Palm Treos, along with Samsung and Motorola WinMo phones had a jack. By 2002, even Blackberrys did. Overseas, I'm pretty sure the Nokia Communicator series also had one.

After all, we were still in the tail end of the Walkman craze, and the first thing many buyers did was download a digital music player, while using their favorite headphones (perhaps with a 2.5-3.5mm adapter).

Some jacks also supported a microphone so you could use a headset while your phone was on your belt.

 

[wikiverse]

Aren't they removing it for space and you get better audio quality with the lightning connection?

I know it's not a popular move, but those are the reasons right?

People also bitched about the removal of a CD drive on MacBooks, not supporting flash on iPhone, not including flash in OS X, et cetera, et cetera. People will get over it.

I can't wait for Lighting headphones!

 

[nt5672]

I don't think you or most people understand the reasons behind moving away from the 50 year old technology of the 3.5mm analog headphone jack. All music files played on any handheld device today are digital. The audio jack requires an analog output, so every device has to have a digital to analog converter chip to convert the file on the fly. It makes sense to just keep the flow of digital to digital. And the biggest port now on any device is the audio jack, so it limits the size to which a device can be manufactured. So why should we stick with 50 year old technology and limit the size of our devices, just for nostalgia? Heck, let's just put the 8mm headphone jack on there too. When you have a look at old pc laptops of the 90's and see the massive serial ports on the back, you cringe. The same will go for the headphone jack.

You can't hear anything until it is converted to analog. So every device will still have an analog converter, just moved to the headphones. Price down on music device, price up 2x on headphones, since headphone makers are not used to DAC technology. Oh and now you need batteries on both headphones an music device. Oh and now you also need a radio on the headphones and that has traditionally been very poor performance. Just not seeing it, except as a way to reduce music device cost.

 

[MH01]

Removing the CD drive on the new iMacs actually pushed me from iTunes to Google Music (since I now have to rip CDs on my work computer)!

I still have a 2009 iMac , and I find the drive very useful, without it I would have to buy the accessory

 

[teknikal90]

Because Apple will do what the hell they like with their products, regardless of what anyone wants, and you'll still buy them? I really don't know why people are even wasting their time over this. Apple will do what Apple will do and people will still love them.

The point being that if Apple do remove the headphone jack, for whatever reasoning they have, it won't affect your life.

because people complained about bendgate and so they started using the tougher aluminium...people complained about iphones chipping so they changed the slate black option. I remember in the old days people complained about there being no buttons on the ipod shuffle...guess what, they added buttons. people complained about #antennagate......

basically now some people are saying that yes, removing the headphone jack is actually going to affect them. that's the point of these forums. I don't think that's an outrageous thing to expect out of a discussion forum...

 

[twa440]

I had to sign up to comment on this post because it brings to light something that really bothers me about Apple. I've been using their products for 30 years now ( I know I'm old) and this obsession with form over function has got to stop. We all like things to look nice, but I don't want to carry a bag of cables and adapters for every product they make. And as a perceived (in many cases) premium Product, I don't want what I'm buying to come with outdated processors, cameras, hard drives, and barely enough memory for the operating system to use.

 

[Nuvi]

Touché. Stereo audio from the speakers I guess.

LOL. Sure, if you are no bigger than an ant then you have solid argument there...