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"You know what else it comes with? A headphone jack. And a floppy disk drive."
 
Well the 3.5mm jack wasnt going to last forever, it was going to be replaced eventually. So why not replace it with a port that not only do you offer on your own products, but also every other competitor will eventually use.

Also if I am not mistaken doesn't USB-C offer more features tech wise (like faster speeds, wider variety of things you can do with it, etc) over the lighting port? Imagine if you could charge your laptop and phone with the same cable? Or if your headphones you use on your MacBook you could immediately use on your iPhone without needing an adaptor?

My issue is more that If I buy 2 products from apple (MB & Ip7), I have to use an adaptor to use my headphones....

Speaking for the Apple apologists: But, but USB C is larger (doesn't matter how much) than lightening.
I agree, it would be nice if cables would be compatible. But compatibility is the last thing on Apple's mind when it comes to cables.
 
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I'm an iPhone user, never even used a Samsung Android phone. So I'm not a us vs them kind if guy.

But seriously some of you people on here can't take a joke. The removal of the headphone jack is definitely "user hostile" and not something Apple should do until they have a better solution....Dongles are not the solution.

If they are going to take away the jack do it on the iPhone X with a new design so at least the space appears to be for some better use. Using the same/similar iPhone design is like making eye contact with someone while simultaneously giving them the middle finger as you're boning their wife.
 
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These people that found it funny are the ones that don't see the future, these types of people would if they could be using CRTs, SVGA or Scart and Analog Audio Out, well they still have Analog Audio Out but some day that too will go as tech moves on and what these people don't get about digital audio out is that the headphones or speakers will have the job of the DAC, that is the poor DAC that is in every laptop, tablet phone for supporting this out of date audio is one of the main issue in poor audio, when this is taken out then audio quality comes down to the headphones/speackers you plug into them.

The adaptor will just be a DAC for backward compatibility with old retro headphones and speakers.

This issue about Apple removing things has always gone on as Apple moves forward when others watch then copy, take the floppy disc drive, Apple supported SONY's floppy format from day one and when time was right stopped, optical drives also gone...

USB, replaced the old serial and parallel port, did anyone complain about that yes, now no USB way way better these people just can't help complain for what is good for them.
 
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I agree with most of this, but to be fair, your ear requires an analog input. At some point that digital signal has to be turned into an analog one. As a practical matter, it does make some sense for that place to be in your phone, instead of making it necessary to have a DAC in every pair of headphones you buy.

I was all for the elimination of the floppy disk and DVD drives, but this feels different to me. I can't say I'm excited to have to buy new headphones I either need to charge or can only use with my iPhone, or to carry an adapter around. We'll see.

^^^ THIS! ^^^

Yes, the DAC isn't great in any phone, but 3.5mm headphones are essentially ubiquitous.

IMHO it would be much better to introduce an iPhone (iPhone7) with wireless earbuds but still include the 3.5mm jack. Then remove the 3.5mm jack in the NEXT version (iPhone8 or 10th Anniversary or whatever).
 
And I think you don't understand that even without 3.5mm jack iPhone will still need a DAC chip (unless you prefer to "digital" sound on the phone's internal speakers). You can also notice that all hifi equipment (preamplifiers/DACs/amplifiers etc. costing many thousands of dollars) come with an analog jack for the phones.
Yup. I'm pretty darn sure that these guys who make the DAP's like this pretty much know the real deal on how to make good sound quality and what to use in their products.

https://www.amazon.com/Astell-Kern-Portable-High-Resolution-Player/dp/B0100KZ3MY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1470181664&sr=8-2&keywords=Astell&Kern+AK380

You don't pay 3500 dollar for a DAP to get a poor sound quality via the 3.5mm minijack. That's for sure.

The thing that defines the sound quality are the DAC's and not the type of port you are using. You can already use separate DAC's with both Android and iOS phones, so if you are the type of person who really cares that much about the sound quality, you can already buy headphones with their own DAC's and so on that goes via the MicroUSB / Lightning port.

Sure, you "can" get better sound quality with a seperate DAC in some headphones, but the normal user doesn't cares about this, AT ALL. They just want good enough sound quality (like many smartphones today already have) from the DAC inside the phones and that's pretty much all they want for sound.

So i would just leave the 3.5mm minijack alone for now.
 
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Anyone remember when Samsung mocked Apple for moving the headphone jack to the bottom?
 
People also bitched about the removal of a CD drive on MacBooks, not supporting flash on iPhone, not including flash in OS X, et cetera, et cetera. People will get over it.
Of course they'll get over it, hopefully nobody will still be complaining in 3 years time (although if nobody else follows their move they may be). This is a bigger deal than anything else Apple has removed because it has been used for so long.
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While I think removing the audio jack is a terrible decision, that joke absolutely bombed.
It always does at Samsung events, maybe it's the audience or maybe it's them.
 
Keep in mind that Tim Cook does not lower the price of newly introduced products that replace existing products. The fewer components that are in a product the lower the manufacturing cost.
The profit margins will increase.
There is a saying of "Follow the money." When you apply the logic of money to the removal of the audio jack, the reason becomes obvious.
No i dont think so. Because they will add another connection that will cost them more with the lighting cable. But were they will make money is rather with theyr own propietary connection. Infact either you will buy a lighting headphone or a lighting to audio jack adaptor, both ways will make apple money. Same they did with other things. Like the dvd burner.
 
He asked. "An audio jack. I'm just saying," he added with a smirk as the audience laughed.

Yeah, hahaha....it's funny until you realize the trend in headphones is Bluetooth connectivity. Bose and Beats embraced it, and you will too.
 
You can't hear anything until it is converted to analog. So every device will still have an analog converter, just moved to the headphones. Price down on music device, price up 2x on headphones, since headphone makers are not used to DAC technology. Oh and now you need batteries on both headphones an music device. Oh and now you also need a radio on the headphones and that has traditionally been very poor performance.

This. I've said before, and I'll say it again--the reason the 3.5mm jack has lasted as long as it has is because it's a universal standard, and it provides a level of music quality and convenience that Bluetooth and Lightning can't match.

Just not seeing it, except as a way to reduce music device cost.

Except that we're talking about Apple, King of Huge Profit Margins.
 
Samsung mocks Apple for trying to remove wires. Hmmm never heard of Samsung trolling anyone about wires. Oh yea their wireless charging B.S. because it's too hard for their fanboys to plug in a single charging cable. So they don't want wires when your phone is stationary and charging but they want wires when your ambulatory. Doesn't make any sense to me.

The difference is of course that all Samsung phones with built in wireless charging also feature a port for charging with a cable. It is up to the user what they prefer. Removing the headphone jack is a totally different thing - you will no longer have a choice of plugging your expensive headset right into your phone without using a clumsy dongle.
 
People also bitched about the removal of a CD drive on MacBooks, not supporting flash on iPhone, not including flash in OS X, et cetera, et cetera. People will get over it.
I do still bitch about it. Its a reason why i never bought an iphone since iphone 4. Infact no bluetooth shareing with other devices, no free flash games. Samsung served me well and if i must will buy every half year a new one selling the old.
 
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He asked. "An audio jack. I'm just saying," he added with a smirk as the audience laughed.

Yeah, hahaha....it's funny until you realize the trend in headphones is Bluetooth connectivity. Bose and Beats embraced it, and you will too.
Both brands are crap sound quality.
 
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This issue about Apple removing things has always gone on as Apple moves forward when others watch then copy, take the floppy disc drive, Apple supported SONY's floppy format from day one and when time was right stopped, optical drives also gone...

USB, replaced the old serial and parallel port, did anyone complain about that yes, now no USB way way better these people just can't help complain for what is good for them.

I owned several Macs before Apple finally introduced USB ports, while PCs had them. Apple's mouse had no right click for years, no matter how useful it was.

So, while Apple definitely pushes some tech that makes sense (dropping the floppy, CD/DVD drive), at times they force people into non-industry standards (for example, go with USB-C instead of lightning on the next iPhone).

I don't want argue, but I don't think your point holds up when viewing the entire historical data.
 
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Word on the street was that the s7 or s7 edge was supposed to have their version of 3D Touch but got pulled last minute because it wasn't quite ready. I would not be surprised if the s8/s8 edge does have it.

The Note series have had something comparable to 3D touch years (at least since Note 3 in 2013) before Apple introduced it. Hover with the pen just above the screen without touching it and you get a 'deeper' look at the elements beneath the pen tip - much like 3D touch.
 
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