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I could really care less about the removal of the headphone jack. I have bluetooth buds for when I work out, and when I'm in the car I use a lightning cable to listen through the stereo. I just hope they make a big leap with their camera and maybe increase the battery size a bit.
 
I don't think you or most people understand the reasons behind moving away from the 50 year old technology of the 3.5mm analog headphone jack. All music files played on any handheld device today are digital. The audio jack requires an analog output, so every device has to have a digital to analog converter chip to convert the file on the fly. It makes sense to just keep the flow of digital to digital. And the biggest port now on any device is the audio jack, so it limits the size to which a device can be manufactured. So why should we stick with 50 year old technology and limit the size of our devices, just for nostalgia? Heck, let's just put the 8mm headphone jack on there too. When you have a look at old pc laptops of the 90's and see the massive serial ports on the back, you cringe. The same will go for the headphone jack.

Pretty sure your ears are analog. There has to be a DAC chip somewhere. Your argument is false.

And it's a 100 year old technology. You know why it's lasted 100 years? Because it is still relevant. It is universal. Apple is making a mistake.
 
My "friend" Samesong is KING of BOGO's and FREE FREE FREE phones and those FIRE SALES move huge bits of product. That my friend is a fact. Thankfully Apple doesn't compete.

Btw I'm not the type of consumer that buys a product based on quantified sales versus qualified. Get the difference?

In the end what difference does it make in the scheme of things since Apple crushes on
P R O F I T as it takes TWO SAMESONG SALES to equal the P R O F I T of ONE iPhone.

Ouch

https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/apple-iphone-6s-6splus-bogo-offer.html
https://www.sprint.com/apps/iphone-bogo-offer/
 
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Apple is making a mistake.

The average person isn't going to care. The only people who are going to care are people who spent money on high-end wired headphones, and people who just want to complain because they want to complain.

The average iPhone user is either going to think it's awesome or be completely indifferent. Why would the average person give a crap about wired or wireless? They just want headphones to listen to music. If its wired, cool. If it's wireless, cool. The average person doesn't care about this, at all.
 
Apple removed the audio jack because listening to decent quality bluetooth headphones is a superior experience. Apple doesn't care if you have nice corded headphones. First, buy a dongle and leave it on the end of your headphones. The experience with the dongle is going to be nearly identical to plugging into a normal headphone jack. Second, Apple's view is you should just go out and buy some new high quality bluetooth headphones and stop being either cheap or broke. They don't much care for cheap or broke customers anyway. And they certainly don't make design decisions around their cheap or broke customers.

I love Bluetooth headphones but then again I'm not an audiophile.
This is not a click bait article at all. Several sites have published this article in similarity. Let's not have any false modesty here, we all know Samsung was aiming at Apple. Apple is a major player next to Samsung. Sure, their are other companies without the Jack, but does anyone else care about small contenders? No.

But in reality, with the dozens of leaks and reports, I think it's safe to say the Jack will not be equipped on the iPhone 7.

It is click bait if the article does not mention the other 2 companies that have product without headphone jacks. Samsung most likely is referring to everyone in the market, not just Apple. What's the purpose of just picking on Apple when in fact you can pick on everyone? Samsung was correct in not singling out just one competitor and to be honest they were correct in bringing it up. I love the convenience of Bluetooth but there are plenty of people that dislike that idea for whatever reason.
 
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I can't wait to hear from the fanboys and drones how much better streamed music sounds magical when using a lightning connector headphones because Apple told them so.

I have tried three blue tooth wireless headphones including 280 dollar Bose and all had slight delays while watching videos to the point audio was not in synch. The only point to removing a headphone jack is more profit for Apple selling over priced adapters while hoping to recoup some of their investment on Beats.
 
That is absolutely nothing like 3D touch.
The functionality is very very very close to 3D touch - works exactly like peek and pop and has extra actions available without going into menus.

The difference is you hover above the screen with the pen instead of touching it. What it does is as good as identical. And we're talking 2013 here.
 
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The average person isn't going to care. The only people who are going to care are people who spent money on high-end wired headphones, and people who just want to complain because they want to complain.

The average iPhone user is either going to think it's awesome or be completely indifferent. Why would the average person give a crap about wired or wireless? They just want headphones to listen to music. If its wired, cool. If it's wireless, cool. The average person doesn't care about this, at all.

The average person will care when they now have to deal with charging headphones and pay a hell of a lot more, no more 20 dollar ear buds, enjoy paying easily 100 bucks for an inferior product.
 
The average person will care when they now have to deal with charging headphones and pay a hell of a lot more, no more 20 dollar ear buds, enjoy paying easily 100 bucks for an inferior product.

Uh....
https://www.amazon.com/AYL-Bluetoot...70227291&sr=8-1&keywords=bluetooth+headphones

Less than $30 and thousands of people have bought them and think they're good enough. Which proves my point: the average person is not going to care at all about this. Also, where the Hell are you getting 'easily $100' for bluetooth headphones? Have you looked at Amazon.com at all? There are tons of ~$30 bluetooth headphones with 4-5 star ratings by hundreds, if not thousands, of people.

This isn't saying they are better quality. I'm only saying that, clearly, people are speaking with their wallet and clearly many, many, people think cheap bluetooth earbuds are good enough, which is my point entirely.
 
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Samsung makes some incredible hardware! If only it ran a non-Google operating system. I really don't want to share all my information with a marketing company. Samsung should partner with Ubuntu with their new Ubuntu phone platform to get some weight behind it.
 
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Really? You think Apple would jeopardize their most profitable product during a sales slowdown, busy removing a universal standard for no reason, when their competition doesn't also need to remove it, because they think they can gouge their customers out of a few extra dollars to for adapters? You think Apple will make up the defecting iPhone customers sales losses with Lightning licenses, and Beats headphones?

Yes I do think it's possible for Apple to make that mistake.
 
That's such a crap argument, I'll just take the surface.

Here's one... as long as they intend to have an external speaker, they have to have a DAC chip built in anyhow.

Here's another. This BS about flow... a DAC has to flip it to audio at some point in the chain. By moving it external to the unit for headphones, you are having to now power a second DAC (battery), and then requiring that chip to be properly isolated, insulated, and be capable of pushing to a pair of cans.

If you're concerned about the width of the device, I'm not exactly hearing "OMG I so hope the 7 is thinner than the chunky 6s".

So all you're doing is removing the volume of the plug from the inside of the device. That's enough battery to run another 15 minutes or so, and that's assuming you don't make it thinner based on your prior nonsense.

Here's another... that 50 year old technology will be around another 50 years. The main reason is the low level of power draw, and not having to add batteries. It's one thing to make the case that a Lightning-based DAC Amp might improve the listening experience, though if you're still worried about that and using an iPhone, I'd question that thinking. Even so, that's still an option on a 6s that is here, right now, and not interfering with the current 3.5mm.

So basically, your argument is that the 3.5mm plug is too big for modern devices, and yet the best seller in Q2 was the iPhone SE. All you've said is "why not use the 8mm". And of course, that's stupid because it's unnecessary and not the target for portables. All you're left with is you don't like it because you think it's "nostalgic". The facts are it is a superior quality option for 99% of the current existing stock of headphones. Requiring a dongle to use them is unnecessary, redundant, and an additional battery draw for the same output.

So unless I hear a different argument on how audio quality is improved over what the 6s offers, it's still just a stupid design omission.

Well said!
 
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I think that's the take home point all the Apple fanboys are missing (and I don't own an Android device, only iPhones and iPad) - Let's see:

Samsung manage to put waterproofing (proper waterproofing), a large 5.7" OLED screen, headphone jack, USB C, Micro SD expandable storage, fast charging, a 3500mAh battery and a pen, just for starters, in a space smaller than the 5.5" iPhone 6+ (or rumoured 7+ since no real changes) which seemingly needs to remove features, has a 5.5" screen and a 3000mAh battery and less successful waterproofing (rumoured). The latest Samsung Touchwiz software is fine, I've tried it and it's no longer a negative.

So what do we gain by sticking with Apple nowadays? The convenience of "less"? Design? (please, Samsung have overtaken here too), Thinner? (if you ignore the camera) higher cost? I'm struggling to find the positives outside of iOS being slightly better at a push. Apple seem to be stagnating and worrying about fashion accessories of late and unless the rumours about the "7" are completely off then I might finally be moving away. I must admit I'll enjoy an open file system for a start if I do...

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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Who sells twice as many phones as Samsung? Not Apple. Thats for sure.

No one sells as many phones as Samsung and thats a fact my friend :)
But most of those are the "Android is the new Symbian" phones.
iPhone class phones, the Galaxy S line, is about half of what Apple sells.
 
I think that samsung has found the key about battery life and having that decided to seal the battery. The s7 battery life is really amazing comparing to the iphone and even previous samsung flagships. People should try out for themselves before talking rubbish.

Well, firstly this was talking about previous devices with sealed batteries (the S6 ...) which had miserable battery life. The issue with the whole "the battery life is great here!" is that it is hardly repeatable on Android. For every person that says they have great battery life another 10 report miserable battery life.
 
I think that sounds very entitled. Apple don't care about what you want. They'll do what they want with their products and are you really stupid enough to think the iPhone 7 design isn't locked in at this point? Heck, it's probably already in production. If that device is shipping without a headphone jack, you'd have to wait for the rumoured iPhone 8 next year to see it return and even then, I can't see Apple putting the headphone jack back in after removing it. That would be admitting they were wrong.

Sadly I think you are correct. Even if there is market backlash against the removal of the 3.5mm jack, I think it is highly unlikely Apple will ever "backtrack" and add the 3.5mm back to the iPhone. If it's removed from the iPhone 7, I think it's removed forever.
 
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People also bitched about the removal of a CD drive on MacBooks, not supporting flash on iPhone, not including flash in OS X, et cetera, et cetera. People will get over it.

It still bothers me. I still have clients who want DVDs.

Moving all your peripherals outside your machine as attachments then still charging the premium price PLUS making me buy those same peripherals as external gadgets is a complete ripoff. I still use an iPhone, but I switched to PC over the issue. That's me "getting over it".
 
IU am not sure I get your point. Is not Android the most popular (by far) OS in the world? Are they supposed to be ashamed of it?

It's the most installed. But as popular means "liked or admired by many people or by a particular person or group" you could argue that the most popular goes to whichever OS has highest customer satisfaction.

Not trying to bash Android. Just I know friends who love their Samsung phones, but if they had to pick something else, would get an iPhone. Their loyalty is with the phone as a complete package, not the Android OS.
 
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I think that's the take home point all the Apple fanboys are missing (and I don't own an Android device, only iPhones and iPad) - Let's see:

Samsung manage to put waterproofing (proper waterproofing), a large 5.7" OLED screen, headphone jack, USB C, Micro SD expandable storage, fast charging, a 3500mAh battery and a pen, just for starters, in a space smaller than the 5.5" iPhone 6+ (or rumoured 7+ since no real changes) which seemingly needs to remove features, has a 5.5" screen and a 3000mAh battery and less successful waterproofing (rumoured). The latest Samsung Touchwiz software is fine, I've tried it and it's no longer a negative.

So what do we gain by sticking with Apple nowadays? The convenience of "less"? Design? (please, Samsung have overtaken here too), Thinner? (if you ignore the camera) higher cost? I'm struggling to find the positives outside of iOS being slightly better at a push. Apple seem to be stagnating and worrying about fashion accessories of late and unless the rumours about the "7" are completely off then I might finally be moving away. I must admit I'll enjoy an open file system for a start if I do...


My brother just got a Galaxy S7 and I have to say it feels, it looks, and it operates just like a premium smartphone should - frankly, I don't see any differences between my iPhone and his Galaxy - in fact I like the Galaxy screen better than mine.
 
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And it's a 100 year old technology. You know why it's lasted 100 years? Because it is still relevant. It is universal. Apple is making a mistake.
So it is Apple's mistake that other vendors are already producing Phones without the jack?

I mean seriously does it have to be
1 a fault / mistake
2 Apple's

Wright flyer is over 100 years old and still relevant (todays aircraft use the same principle) should we use that as well to move across the ocean?
 
Aren't they removing it for space and you get better audio quality with the lightning connection?

I know it's not a popular move, but those are the reasons right?

Maybe... but more likely it's to make something proprietary which used to be open. Now manufacturers of headphones will HAVE to pay Apple tax to license the lightning cable or we'll HAVE to buy adaptors for accessories we already own.

This is a corporate shill move and I won't buy it.
 
Sadly I think you are correct. Even if there is market backlash against the removal of the 3.5mm jack, I think it is highly unlikely Apple will ever "backtrack" and add the 3.5mm back to the iPhone. If it's removed from the iPhone 7, I think it's removed forever.

It won't just be backlash. Complaints could read something like "They removed the headphone jack and didn't even give us wireless headphones!" Apple's fix - should they feel it necessary - will be to include wireless headphones, not to restore the headphone jack.
 
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