Your post before and now is complete nonsense. What does that have to with the elimination of the headphone jack? If it is eliminated, this would allow for further water resistance, not water fully proof until confirmed by Apple. Wired headphones exist and will continue, but wireless is upcoming with considerations of Bluetooth 5 and Bluetooth headphones making strides in better quality. What's your point other than making a frivolous comment?
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Your post before and now is complete nonsense. What does that have to with the elimination of the headphone jack? If it is eliminated, this would allow for further water resistance, not water fully proof until confirmed by Apple. Wired headphones exist and will continue, but wireless is upcoming with considerations of Bluetooth 5 and Bluetooth headphones making strides in better quality. What's your point other than making a frivolous comment?
The Samsung S7 Note and Edge are already dust and waterproof while maintaining the headphone jack - sorry - but removing the headphone jack is to drive sales - nothing else.
Other manufactures can make their phones water resistant, without removing the port, so how comes Apple can't
Bluetooth 5 may be coming but I very much doubt its in this years new phone
here's a crazy idea :
What if Apple already has two prototypes ( one with the jack and one without ), and the audio jack rumours were actually started by Apple itself, to test the market reaction before deciding if they should take the risk or not ?
Apple always said they didn't do customer focus groups. This could be their secret and subtle way to do it.
What if Apple already has two prototypes ( one with the jack and one without ), and the audio jack rumours were actually started by Apple itself, to test the market reaction before deciding if they should take the risk or not ?
Apple always said they didn't do customer focus groups. This could be their secret and subtle way to do it.
Seems someone never had the right equipment, you can hear quite well the difference with the right gear, of course not with Earpods....
P.S.
You can laugh all you want, but pleasse record it in High res so i can hear it good!
Sorry mister car dealer, but I can buy several Toyota Camrys for the same or less money.
Why are you apologizing? We don't even know if the headphone jack will be removed, do we? And if it is removed, speculation of Apple's sales are not proven until results are released. Even if it drives sales as you say, it doesn't change the fact that Bluetooth is growing substantially with stronger quality and Bluetooth 5 audio is coming. We don't know Apple's motives until they can confirm ANYTHING.
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But do we know if Apple has another agenda if the jack is removed? Secondly, it's only rumored, not confirmed. Speculation is all you have at this point.
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He meant Apple --> Samsung is selling twice as many phones as Apple...Who sells twice as many phones as Samsung? Not Apple. Thats for sure.
No one sells as many phones as Samsung and thats a fact my friend
People say that, but while it's true that this year's iPhone isn't really anything jaw-dropping this year, it really is bizarre how people interpret that as somehow Samsung are innovating more. Most android devices (samsung ones included) are pretty much the same as all the older ones (with Just the same old next iteration of all the same stuff. -The snapdragon whatever [insert number here], and amoled yadayada). Seriously, truer to say that nothing that amazingly new has come out on any SmartPhone in a long time. Fingerprint scanners was about the last major breakthrough in actual technology that any of them has had. The rest has been pretty much just the same stuff you always get, with a different number next to its spec. The device in this post is a classic example. Look at the device, and all being said about it. Can't see anything new here either.
Mocking Apple? Nah hes obviously taking a stab at LeEco
https://www.engadget.com/2016/04/20/leeco-le-2-pro-max-smartphones-china/
https://www.engadget.com/2016/04/20/leeco-le-2-pro-max-smartphones-china/
Sorry mister car dealer, but I can buy several Toyota Camrys for the same or less money.
I didn't know those cars are now Made in China. Plus, Tesla insane mode would smoke that POS carbon footprint and it's made here in California. 3rd world issue.
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Yeah, he sure let Apple have it! He's got us cornered now....we might as well close up shop and sell the farm!
I seem to remember some scoffing at the iPhone 5S having a 64Bit processor.
"Gimmick", was what the Qualcomm Marketing head said - who then resigned a few weeks later.
Hey look, today's Samsung announcement had this in it:
"...Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 quad-core 64-bit 14nm processor..."
Talk about late to the party. When do you think you'll ditch the headphone jack too?
"Gimmick", was what the Qualcomm Marketing head said - who then resigned a few weeks later.
Hey look, today's Samsung announcement had this in it:
"...Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 quad-core 64-bit 14nm processor..."
Talk about late to the party. When do you think you'll ditch the headphone jack too?
The argument goes like this. Apple is considering removing the 3.5mm jack. Given the fact that Samsung is already commenting on it, and every rumour and leak from here to the WSJ believe it is, in fact, disappearing.
There are four ways to get audio out of a 6s:
-External speaker
-Bluetooth 4.5
-Lightning/DAC
-3.5mm
On the 7, you will likely see:
-External stereo speaker
-Bluetooth 4.5
-Lightning/DAC
Of course, the Lightning/DAC analog converter will dongle your way into 3.5mm usage. As such, here are the arguments so far for removal of the 3.5mm jack:
-Allows device to be thinner
-Allows for more space for internals
-Allows for DAC selection
-Lets Apple sell more accessories
Now I've heard "innovation" thrown around a lot. Yet, every time I've challenged someone to say how this will make audio better on the iPhone, everyone falls short. In fact, there's only one slightly technical reason to give some credence, and that is to get a Lightning/DAC dongle that has a better DAC chipset. Let's talk about that.
In the case of an improved Lightning/DAC, it's fair to say that first, any improved chipset will very, very likely be servicing a 3.5mm plug anyhow. Despite this, the technical presence does exist in that you could have a better dongle. In that case, it will be neither cost effective nor reasonably portable. Even if someone was to come up with such a contraption, it's still a fairly better option to have a Bluetooth A2DP wireless adapter for your 3.5mm headphones. Yes, those exist; I found that out here a few months ago, and they're going to start going like hotcakes. However, in the end, the "Better DAC" argument doesn't hold water. It isn't a practical signal chain, and it will never be a mainstream product given the cost and portability issues. I don't doubt that someone will want a "ghetto blaster" "boom box", but I'm feeling on solid ground that this will be an exception.
In every other case, the technology presenting in the 7 will be equal to the 6s. It's x = x algebra. It all cancels out. The external speaker is there, so the internal DAC is there as well. And if they waste space on a stereo output, that whole "removed the jack to make room" argument is not only wrong, it's very, very wrong. I'm not opposed to stereo output, but it isn't due to this plug. You can make a case against stereo in that it's just not going to sound very left-right unless they put the output above the top... where the antenna bands are. Not impossible, but not a strong selling feature.
What I'm left with is simply what every customer hates when they feel bent over by a company. They feel like they have to spend more than they otherwise should for something less convenient. I know that if I was presented with a phone that had no headphone jack, I'd be buying a DAC cable. And I'd look at it over and over and say how dumb it is. Maybe some won't, but after 8 years of iPhones and years before that where iPods were all of that lineage, it's hard to see why it would be removed. In fact, the clip-on was even the power charger once!
So there is no realistic benefit to buying a 3.5-less phone. Why would Apple do it then? The most plausible reason is simple. Margins are king at Apple, as well they should be. They made a play for Beats headphones, and haven't been able to turn that purchase into a good return. The obvious thing is to make Beats a brand that is more readily accepted at a greater margin. That margin was built into marketing through rap / hiphop. Now, it's basically just brand value. They're ok cans, but they aren't Sennheisers, Shures, or any other nice upper mid brand you can get. They do have street cred, and everyone knows they've got Apple's ownership. So that brand will be positioned to take advantage of the newly created market of Lightning-based headphones. They will capture a decent amount of money in the semi-proprietary area where iPhone is the only thing you can plug into. And if I'm guessing correctly, they'll actually be the real driver of Lightning/DAC conversion dongles.
Think about it this way... it isn't that old cans need a dongle for iPhone. The story is that iPhone cans can also be dongled to use your old crap, too. At least, that's what the Marketing Team will want you to believe.
In the end, this is about a margin play. It is not innovative. It is a calculated gamble that enough people will just get over it. I think it's a bridge too far; the iPhone was taken seriously by the mass market because Steve Jobs stood up and said, "what if.... phone, music, and the whole internet on one device?" It's centuries ago in 2007, but the truth is that people consume media by phone now. It's the number one, by far, device where people listen to music. It cannibalised the iPod. Over 100,000,000 people pay $10 or more per month to stream audio to their devices. The risk of making that ease of access disappear is, in my opinion, too early.
If Apple waits until Bluetooth A2DP is the norm, dropping the jack isn't a big deal. Instead, they are choosing to be "bold". To what end? It adds nothing, it isn't necessary for waterproofing, and it doesn't offer anything better than the previous model. Hell, even the Macbook, of two port fame, offers a USB-C, and a 3.5mm jack. It leaves only one realistic plan, and that's to push Lightning Beats like hell.
Viva La 6S.
There are four ways to get audio out of a 6s:
-External speaker
-Bluetooth 4.5
-Lightning/DAC
-3.5mm
On the 7, you will likely see:
-External stereo speaker
-Bluetooth 4.5
-Lightning/DAC
Of course, the Lightning/DAC analog converter will dongle your way into 3.5mm usage. As such, here are the arguments so far for removal of the 3.5mm jack:
-Allows device to be thinner
-Allows for more space for internals
-Allows for DAC selection
-Lets Apple sell more accessories
Now I've heard "innovation" thrown around a lot. Yet, every time I've challenged someone to say how this will make audio better on the iPhone, everyone falls short. In fact, there's only one slightly technical reason to give some credence, and that is to get a Lightning/DAC dongle that has a better DAC chipset. Let's talk about that.
In the case of an improved Lightning/DAC, it's fair to say that first, any improved chipset will very, very likely be servicing a 3.5mm plug anyhow. Despite this, the technical presence does exist in that you could have a better dongle. In that case, it will be neither cost effective nor reasonably portable. Even if someone was to come up with such a contraption, it's still a fairly better option to have a Bluetooth A2DP wireless adapter for your 3.5mm headphones. Yes, those exist; I found that out here a few months ago, and they're going to start going like hotcakes. However, in the end, the "Better DAC" argument doesn't hold water. It isn't a practical signal chain, and it will never be a mainstream product given the cost and portability issues. I don't doubt that someone will want a "ghetto blaster" "boom box", but I'm feeling on solid ground that this will be an exception.
In every other case, the technology presenting in the 7 will be equal to the 6s. It's x = x algebra. It all cancels out. The external speaker is there, so the internal DAC is there as well. And if they waste space on a stereo output, that whole "removed the jack to make room" argument is not only wrong, it's very, very wrong. I'm not opposed to stereo output, but it isn't due to this plug. You can make a case against stereo in that it's just not going to sound very left-right unless they put the output above the top... where the antenna bands are. Not impossible, but not a strong selling feature.
What I'm left with is simply what every customer hates when they feel bent over by a company. They feel like they have to spend more than they otherwise should for something less convenient. I know that if I was presented with a phone that had no headphone jack, I'd be buying a DAC cable. And I'd look at it over and over and say how dumb it is. Maybe some won't, but after 8 years of iPhones and years before that where iPods were all of that lineage, it's hard to see why it would be removed. In fact, the clip-on was even the power charger once!
So there is no realistic benefit to buying a 3.5-less phone. Why would Apple do it then? The most plausible reason is simple. Margins are king at Apple, as well they should be. They made a play for Beats headphones, and haven't been able to turn that purchase into a good return. The obvious thing is to make Beats a brand that is more readily accepted at a greater margin. That margin was built into marketing through rap / hiphop. Now, it's basically just brand value. They're ok cans, but they aren't Sennheisers, Shures, or any other nice upper mid brand you can get. They do have street cred, and everyone knows they've got Apple's ownership. So that brand will be positioned to take advantage of the newly created market of Lightning-based headphones. They will capture a decent amount of money in the semi-proprietary area where iPhone is the only thing you can plug into. And if I'm guessing correctly, they'll actually be the real driver of Lightning/DAC conversion dongles.
Think about it this way... it isn't that old cans need a dongle for iPhone. The story is that iPhone cans can also be dongled to use your old crap, too. At least, that's what the Marketing Team will want you to believe.
In the end, this is about a margin play. It is not innovative. It is a calculated gamble that enough people will just get over it. I think it's a bridge too far; the iPhone was taken seriously by the mass market because Steve Jobs stood up and said, "what if.... phone, music, and the whole internet on one device?" It's centuries ago in 2007, but the truth is that people consume media by phone now. It's the number one, by far, device where people listen to music. It cannibalised the iPod. Over 100,000,000 people pay $10 or more per month to stream audio to their devices. The risk of making that ease of access disappear is, in my opinion, too early.
If Apple waits until Bluetooth A2DP is the norm, dropping the jack isn't a big deal. Instead, they are choosing to be "bold". To what end? It adds nothing, it isn't necessary for waterproofing, and it doesn't offer anything better than the previous model. Hell, even the Macbook, of two port fame, offers a USB-C, and a 3.5mm jack. It leaves only one realistic plan, and that's to push Lightning Beats like hell.
Viva La 6S.
That is really inappropriate. It adds nothing to the discussion and only serves to make people feel alienated.
I like my bluetooth headphones a lot, but I still hope apple retains the 3.5 jack... it is useful in so many situations, and I don't really want to carry around another adaptor. I can just imagine getting to training - can someone put some music on? "Sorry, my phone doesn't do that." - Urgh, that would feel horrible.
If Bluetooth seems to be main reason why it should be removed (the supply chain has already shown iPhone's cases with no headphone jack) why remove the headphone, we already use wireless headphones next to our hardwired headphones?
Going wireless with headphones is already here, so why remove the jack? To me the only reason is to drive sales, people will need a lightning adapter or headphones if they want a wired experience or carry around a dongle - so how is that for customer experience?
Yeah cheaper 50 buck phonesWho sells twice as many phones as Samsung? Not Apple. Thats for sure.
No one sells as many phones as Samsung and thats a fact my friend
My exact thoughts
It's only a matter of time before Samsung copies Apple anyway.
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A curved screen really isn't Innovative. I haven't seen much of any of innovation from Samsung other than throwing beefy specs out.