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I don't think you or most people understand the reasons behind moving away from the 50 year old technology of the 3.5mm analog headphone jack. All music files played on any handheld device today are digital. The audio jack requires an analog output, so every device has to have a digital to analog converter chip to convert the file on the fly. It makes sense to just keep the flow of digital to digital. And the biggest port now on any device is the audio jack, so it limits the size to which a device can be manufactured. So why should we stick with 50 year old technology and limit the size of our devices, just for nostalgia? Heck, let's just put the 8mm headphone jack on there too. When you have a look at old pc laptops of the 90's and see the massive serial ports on the back, you cringe. The same will go for the headphone jack.

The phone still has speaker for listening to phone calls and that speaker requires digital to analog conversion so you're not really getting rid of an internal DAC. Also, the biggest part on any device isn't the audio jack, I'd wager it's the battery.
 
In terms of "getting over it" with the headphone jack, the CD drive might be the right analogy, but then again, 15 years later we still haven't gotten over the abandonment of the VGA jack. In business and academia, I still regularly see people desperately casting about for a VGA dongle before a presentation. All of those people really wish Macbooks still came with a VGA (or HDMI) port built in. Removing that was a bad idea at the time, and has remained a bad idea for over a decade. Apple can't set technology standards any more (and anyway, they don't even want the lightening connector to be a standard) and removing the headphone jack means that people are going to have to buy and lose special headphones and dongles for many, many years to come.
 
The phone still has speaker for listening to phone calls and that speaker requires digital to analog conversion so you're not really getting rid of an internal DAC. Also, the biggest part on any device isn't the audio jack, I'd wager it's the battery.
Try the screen.
 
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Then don't bother with an iphone at all. Go high-res audio with a massive DAC and amp and get some real high end headphones. The lightning connector will not get you any better audio.
Are you sure about that? Everything I've read online tells me that using lightning headphones will give better audio than the regular headphone jack. Is everyone just lying? Or am I missing something?
 
To be honest, it looks like a really nice phone with some interesting features. If Apple thinks I am going to run out and buy a new iPhone because it doesn't have a headphone jack as a feature, well then they may as well stop updating their phones like they have their computers.
 
How is an analog audio jack relevant in the digital age? We are in the 21st century.

Removing the audio jack because its 50 years old is like removing the steering wheel on a car just because its 100 years old. Get over old technology, its the digital age. Drive your car with a joystick. :rolleyes: There is absolutely no need to remove the headphone jack. Why?? It will make the iPhone thinner? So the camera can protrude more? Silly. Just shows in what direction Apple is heading.
 
Exactly, if Apple includes lightning EarPods (or "AirPods") with the iPhone 7 then I will be completely on board. If they don't, I will not be buying another iPhone until they do. I've never been a $200 headphones kind of guy, and I expect the headphones shipped with the device to work without an adapter.
I mean, that contradicts your statement that "I want the highest quality audio I can get" (direct quote). You're not going to get that from the headphones Apple includes for free with the purchase of your phone. There's certainly gigantic room for improvement on the pack-ins (they're still really bad, unfortunately), but I think perhaps your expectations are skewed. EarPods, lightning or otherwise, are not going to provide the quality you claimed to want.
 
In terms of "getting over it" with the headphone jack, the CD drive might be the right analogy, but then again, 15 years later we still haven't gotten over the abandonment of the VGA jack. In business and academia, I still regularly see people desperately casting about for a VGA dongle before a presentation. All of those people really wish Macbooks still came with a VGA (or HDMI) port built in. Removing that was a bad idea at the time, and has remained a bad idea for over a decade. Apple can't set technology standards any more (and anyway, they don't even want the lightening connector to be a standard) and removing the headphone jack means that people are going to have to buy and lose special headphones and dongles for many, many years to come.

Are you sure about that? Everything I've read online tells me that using lightning headphones will give better audio than the regular headphone jack. Is everyone just lying? Or am I missing something?
I am absolutely 100% certain. They are not being honest that is for sure. You have 4 components. 1: The file 2: The DAC 3: The amp 4: the speakers.

If you are using the same DAC and the same amp and the same speakers for the test... then there should be no difference in audio. The wired headphones that come with your iphone will support ANY bitrate audio. Yeah the drivers sound like crap, but you can go all the way up to 24bit/192Khz if your DAC and audio files support it. Making the argument that some new connector has better audio quality is completely unsubstantiated, ignorant and total marketing garbage.
 
Most people won't notice nor care.
But they will notice having to charge your headphones now.. and also spending multiple times more for headphones...no more $15 running and gym headphones...and also no longer being able to participate in road trip aux cable DJing.
All very important considerations in my opinion.

The 6s can do all of the above and everything that a lightning headphone can do.

So how is it 'better'

Apple removing the headphone jack won't force you replace all of your headphones with wireless ones. It's already been rumoured the iPhone 7 will comes with a Lightning to Audio Jack convertor, which no doubt they'll sell separately for £25 too - one for each of your headphones.
 
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In terms of "getting over it" with the headphone jack, the CD drive might be the right analogy, but then again, 15 years later we still haven't gotten over the abandonment of the VGA jack. In business and academia, I still regularly see people desperately casting about for a VGA dongle before a presentation. All of those people really wish Macbooks still came with a VGA (or HDMI) port built in. Removing that was a bad idea at the time, and has remained a bad idea for over a decade. Apple can't set technology standards any more (and anyway, they don't even want the lightening connector to be a standard) and removing the headphone jack means that people are going to have to buy and lose special headphones and dongles for many, many years to come.
There is only one correct analogy. The power cord. It's ancient, yet ubiquitous. Lets get rid of those and have Apple design us new ones, then sell us adapters so we can plug in our old lamps! Yes this is that dumb.
 
If Apple removes the headphone jack, an entire industry will spring up to support it and you'll see numerous headphones from a wide range of manufacturers. In fact, we've ALREADY got Lightning headphones even before the iPhone 7 comes out.

Yeah right, just like a whole industry is springing up to support Airplay. 99% of Wifi equipment supports Blutooth instead. If you really want Airplay speakers you have a very very small range of speakers to choose from.
 
Mocking a phone that doesn't exist? That's how you sell your product?
Why do you think was attacking the iPhone 7? some of the the flagships that was launched recently does not include the headphone jack, but the reason you don't know that! because you're stuck in Apple's bubble!

I agree with some of the posters here..that guy sucks! Samsung should fired him!
 
From the videos I've seen on lightning headphones though, when the tester has listened to the same piece of music via the 3.5mm port and then used the lightning port cable (the headphones tested came with two cables, 3.5mm and lightning connectors). They have all commented on how much clearer and also an increased audio level was got through lightning.

Correct, in this case the higher quality is achieved by using expensive external DAC. But that's not my point. Notice that in this video the tester used iPhone that DID have the 3.5mm jack (even when he used lightning port). I am just saying that the removal of the jack will not change the audio quality from the lightning port (which the poster to who I replied somehow implied).
 
Apple removing the headphone jack won't force you replace all of your headphones with wireless ones. It's already been rumoured the iPhone 7 will comes with a Lightning to Audio Jack convertor, which no doubt they'll sell separately for £25 too - one for each of your headphones.

Correct, in this case the higher quality is achieved by using expensive external DAC. But that's not my point. Notice that in this video the tester used iPhone that DID have the 3.5mm jack (even when he used lightning port). I am just saying that the removal of the jack will not change the audio quality from the lightning port (which the poster to who I replied somehow implied).

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Macrumors is the last place I would go for a real test of audio quality. That video is worthless except for headphone jack hating zombies. I come here for rumors, not uneducated opinions about audio.
 
I know people that produce vieeos
Removal of a feature is not innovation. All smart phones have had digital interfaces (lightning or USB) for many years and nobody cared to bother to use them for headphones (lightning headphones did exist but nobody was buying them). So Apple is not innovating anything here they are just removing one feature.

And when Apple removes that one component their manufacturing costs will go down. However, as per standard apple marketing practices, their product price will not go down. That means more profits that the executives will park overseas so they can avoid paying taxes but still get mega bonuses from.
 
Removing the audio jack because its 50 years old is like removing the steering wheel on a car just because its 100 years old. Get over old technology, its the digital age. Drive your car with a joystick. :rolleyes: There is absolutely no need to remove the headphone jack. Why?? It will make the iPhone thinner? So the camera can protrude more? Silly. Just shows in what direction Apple is heading.

Good analogy. Don't remove the Steering wheel and replace with a joystick, remove and replace with AI - car that doesn't need a driver.
 
Exactly, if Apple includes lightning EarPods (or "AirPods") with the iPhone 7 then I will be completely on board. If they don't, I will not be buying another iPhone until they do. I've never been a $200 headphones kind of guy, and I expect the headphones shipped with the device to work without an adapter.

The headphones that Apple includes are trash. That trash is fine for the majority of people though. You seem to prove this. Those people will never hear a difference between the included and some good headphones.

Before you spend more that $25 on a new pair of headphone to replace the Apple EarPods please check your hearing just to see if it is worth it. There are some websites like the Philips Golden Ears challenge. The included headphones seem to be enough for your ears.
 
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Then don't bother with an iphone at all. Go high-res audio with a massive DAC and amp and get some real high end headphones. The lightning connector will not get you any better audio.

Do you not realize that going to Lightning does the exact same thing? It moves you to an external DAC and Amp, be it built into the cans or the cable. Same result and simpler than using 3.5mm jack + separate external DAC + Amp components.
 
If and when Android phones have fingerprint sensors and the apps recognize them (universally like TouchID does), then I would probably switch. But it's just too damn nice using TouchID to log into many of my sites...it's really the only thing keeping me from switching. I have a Moto X Pure Ed as my 2nd phone (on a different carrier) and I really like it, but the convenience of that TouchID makes it for me.

Who said the Samsung fingerprint doesn't log into sites and apps? Surely you haven't tried an s7.
 
In terms of "getting over it" with the headphone jack, the CD drive might be the right analogy, but then again, 15 years later we still haven't gotten over the abandonment of the VGA jack. In business and academia, I still regularly see people desperately casting about for a VGA dongle before a presentation. All of those people really wish Macbooks still came with a VGA (or HDMI) port built in. Removing that was a bad idea at the time, and has remained a bad idea for over a decade. Apple can't set technology standards any more (and anyway, they don't even want the lightening connector to be a standard) and removing the headphone jack means that people are going to have to buy and lose special headphones and dongles for many, many years to come.

Hehe... Nope. Speaking only personally, I may be scrambling to look for an adapter, but I still don't wish I had a VGA port in my laptop or iPad - I wish the business or who ever would replace their ancient, outdated projectors with something I can cast my screen wirelessly to. I don't want a legacy port just to satisfy people who use legacy equipment. In the same way I don't wish OS X or iOS still supported Apple Talk so I can connect to a client's printer.
 
Do you not realize that going to Lightning does the exact same thing? It moves you to an external DAC and Amp, be it built into the cans or the cable. Same result and simpler than using 3.5mm jack + separate external DAC + Amp components.
Not necessarily assuming you get to pick your headphones separate from your DAC and AMP.
 
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