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sweet baby Jesus, how much money do you spend on phones??? Those foldable Samsungs are about 2k a piece, so by my elementary math, you've spent 10k in 5 years on them 🤯
I've spent a lot on them, but I love trying different tech to find the product I like the most for my needs. I've also owned: the Z Flip 4, 7FE (my current backup), OnePlus Open, Honor Magic V3 global, Oppo Find N5, and I will be getting the Motorola Razr Fold on Monday.
 
Shame it's loaded with Google spyware.

Not going to lie, I've been looking for an alternative to iOS. Between the trash liquid glass UI and notifications that randomly stop give me an audible alert (this is a known issue that has existed for a very long time), keyboard that always picks up the wrong letter, the autocorrect that usually changes my words.. the iPhone is quickly becoming an annoyance.

I wonder if one can load GrapheneOS onto a Samsung device.
 
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I've found the iPhone keyboard cumbersome since I got my first iPhone, which was a 4S, but I feel part of that is because I am used to mechanical keyboards (also mice).

As an educator, I see a divide between those who did most of their early keyboarding on physical keyboards (this would have mostly been the students I had several years ago and also the ones now who are very computer savvy--think future CS majors in particular) and the ones who did most of their keyboarding on touch screens. (The same is true with the mouse; a lot of my younger students have minimal mouse experience--no surprise given trackpads and especially touch screens).

My age shows quite a bit on any computer since I prefer a mouse and when I read a document or webpage, I use the arrow keys. Even some folks who are in their early 30s have commented on that, and I've traced it to my first computer being an Apple IIe (without the mouse card that I had no idea existed until years later).

As for the iOS debacle, I've heard enough about 26 that I just will NOT upgrade to it on my 14 Pro. Honestly, battery life is my biggest concern. I bought the 14 Pro on launch day, the battery still works pretty well, and it shows only minimal signs of draining quicker as a battery of that age sometimes does. I'm going to hold out for the anniversary model next year since I usually don't replace phones very rapidly (typically I only do it when the battery declines).

Apple needs to go back to doing what they do best, and frankly, as a few others have mentioned, that may mean returning to the roots. iOS 5, to me, was where it peaked--before the iOS 6 maps debacle and the disaster that was iOS 7 (which drained my 4S's battery so badly and performed so poorly on it that I had to get a 5S).
 
I watch Samsung users in my circle struggle with their phones doing basic things. Some refuse to use text messaging because it's been confusing in the past. One constantly has to figure out why his phone isn't ringing when calls come in. When we'd drive somewhere, he attempts to use Bixby to set up GPS navigation, and it frequently fails.

I just need to bite my tongue at the blind loyalty.
That's strange. I have no issues doing any of the things you mention. My wife has an 84 year old friend who uses a Samsung phone ( I don't know which one it is ) and also seams to have no problem using most of the features. One thing I will say. I don't use Bixby.
 
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We got our first Mac, the Neo after a 31 year run with Windows and there to be honest was some growing pains. However, all in all we like Tahoe 26. We have 4 other idevices on iOS 26, 14PM, 15PM, IPP M5 and IPP M1 and they honestly just work. IOS 26 lets us get work down and is in the background.

That is to say it is not perfect. Compact tabs on Safari on iOS 26 is exhibiting some weird behavior, but I won’t make that one thing into IOS 26 is borked.
So you really don't know what you missed when Apple software was pretty good.
 
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I agree 200%. But let’s all agree that iOS 26 is not the “steaming pile of trash” some make it out to be either.
Much like I've had nearly every iPhone since day one, I've owned every Google Nexus and Pixel model till the present.

They like Apple have made great strides and currently offer excellent smartphones. Now more than ever, the two operating systems share many similarities.

Working in a cross platform environment, carrying both Android and iPhones daily it's been interesting.
 
Much like I've had nearly every iPhone since day one, I've owned every Google Nexus and Pixel model till the present.

They like Apple have made great strides and currently offer excellent smartphones. Now more than ever, the two operating systems share many similarities.

Working in a cross platform environment, carrying both Android and iPhones daily it's been interesting.
Android 16 on a Pixel IMHO, is just way more usable than iOS 26 right now. Liquid glass and lots of bugs, especially the keyboard make it bummer to use.
 
Android 16 on a Pixel IMHO, is just way more usable than iOS 26 right now. Liquid glass and lots of bugs, especially the keyboard make it bummer to use.
GrapheneOS on the Pixel if you want the most secure Android without any Google spyware.

Personally, I'm not a fan, because no root. Well, duh. The who point of GrapheneOS is security and privacy which would be greatly compromised in a rooted device.
 
Here I am thinking about leaving the S25 Ultra and going back to Iphone, mainly for Integration/Apple Music/Car Play reasons. I like Samsung, but I do find Apple somewhat easier.
 
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Android 16 on a Pixel IMHO, is just way more usable than iOS 26 right now. Liquid glass and lots of bugs, especially the keyboard make it bummer to use.
My work phone is a Z fold7, my personal Android a Pixel 10 Pro along with my iPhone 16 Pro Max. While I slightly prefer the native Android OS experience of the Pixel, I must say Samsungs version on the Z fold is much improved.

At days end, I greatly prefer Androids open easy integration with my Macs, PCs and other devices on my personal NAS equipped LAN.
 
Shame it's loaded with Google spyware.
Within an Apple focused site it's popular and fashionable to hate on Google, exacerbated by the fact they are arch rivals (with the exception of some cooperation between them and Apple) the belief that the big G is the biggest nefarious spy may be less than accurate.

Yes they read emails, yes they collect our data, but are they truly the only tech company that does this? What about insurance companies and other entities? We live in a world where our data is extremely valuable, a huge motivating factor for those with the resources to grab whatever they can.

More will be revealed as time goes by, as is usually the case. In the meantime it's buyer beware, those who are concerned do have the option to do the research, performing their due diligence since we have better online tools today than ever.
 
In all honestly I much prefer my Galaxy over my iPhone nowadays. I miss things like copy and paste between iPhone and Mac but the Galaxy has way more useful daily features. The camera still wins on the iPhone though.
 
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The point is the survey is excluding a large number of products, and their quality or consumer satisfaction wasn't measured *at all*.

But this copying claim is not really true.

The first foldable phone? Royole Flexpai
First tri-fold phone? Huawei Mate XT
First optical (under display) fingerprint reader? Vivo XO (Apple had a different technology years earlier - capacitive touch home button)
The largest battery? Realme Power P4 (10,000mAH)
First silicon carbon battery? Honor Magic Pro 5, followed by tons of Chinese brands; Samsung still doesn't have it
Continuous zoom camera? First implemented by Sony, rapidly adopted by many Chinese brands, and I don't believe Samsung even has it yet
First mechanical zoom camera? Xiaomi 17 Ultra

The Vivo X300 Ultra is generally considered the top camera phone today. 200MP (really 50MP in that silly x4 mode but they all lie about this, even Apple)

Oppo, Oneplus, Honor, Xiaomi, Realme, Redmi all push the envelope.
You even see jarring things like a somewhat odd mix of cheap Chinese internals and high end Leica optics.

There are also areas where the Chinese phones are pushing the envelope that I think are utterly useless, if not counterproductive, like fastest charging times and fastest screen refresh rates, but again its the Chinese models pushing the envelope, not vice versa.

Indeed, it is not the Chinese brands copying the Samsung advances as much as the opposite: It is Samsung copying many of the advances of these brands. Which of course is the point of discussing their exclusion from this survey at all. If they were irrelevant products that didn't push the envelope, their exclusion would be irrelevant.

Anyway, the "copycat" claim is somewhat irrelevant. Isn't Android just a "copycat" of iOS? Isn't every new smartphone just a "copycat" of Steve Job's original ? And it's not even a matter of Samsung's technical ability. Samsung actually makes a lot of very high end components (including periscope zoom camera modules used in these Chinese phones), and presumably could have been first to market, but it doesn't even put them in its own phones (as does Sony).

The point is this study leaves out a large number of competitors, with an impressive array of products, in order to focus on the mass market firms of Samsung and Apple. Which is entirely the reason the misleading ACSI "survey" exists in the first place. It's like a car survey stating "GM edges out Ford" in a restricted subset of drivers.

The point is surveying only 40% of the market, regardless of how "copycat" they are, is not a true picture of consumer sentiment.

Notice that i said better, not higher specs, everything that you mentioned in your post (Bigger battery, under screen camera, first mechanical camera, biggest battery, etc.) are just part of what it makes a phone and a ecosystem better, but is not everything, android devices had more ram (Double the amount sometimes) than IOS devices, and i have never heard anyone complaining about IOS device run out of memory, because sometimes higher number means nothing if the overall experience is bad, most Chinese phones while impressive on paper, are not great on real life, i live in Japan, i had access to all those phones for years, and not gray market, but with full support, and also have access to all the Japanese home made device, some you probably never heard of because they are only sold in the Japanese market with a bunch of options that only work in Japan, and while some are technically interesting, their support (OS update Mainly) sucks, and for the most part their android versions are very much similar to Google pixel implementation, pretty Vanilla, but their os is always behind, going back to the "Chinese phones" their android implementations are just not great, they all look like a cheap copy of IOS (Vivo, Xiomi), but without a clear update path, now i particularly dislike Samsung software, (To much Crapware and redundant apps that android already provide), i like the pixel approach (Less is more), we all have our likes and dislikes, I'm not really against what you said in here, i just have a different opinion, if they (The Chinese manufactures) implement a clear upgrade policy and optimize their version of android, provide better or original aesthetics, then I'm all for it.
I do agree that the market should be open to all brands the same, but if that will happen right this time, it wouldn't amount for much to the other brands until they get their act together.
 
Not sure how thorough these surveys are, but I can see Apple slipping. I absolutely hate iOS 26 and the bugs that came with it. I share some sentiments on here with icons disappearing when returning to Home Screen, hiccups/stutters in the animations, and let’s not forget the dumpster fire that is the keyboard that this multi trillion dollar company refuses to fix. I sorely miss my pixel I upgraded from, but I have 1 more year before my contract is up with my 16. Time will tell if I go back (which I probably will). Android has its issues, but at least it’s a more efficient os where core functions actually work and are useful (keyboard, notifications, volume controls, etc).
 
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For me it's OPPO > Samsung > Apple. How times have changed. I used to be the biggest Apple fanboy in my family and group of friends. Owning everything from the first iPod to iPhone 16 Pro but mixing it up since has been a great decision
On a purely aesthetic basis I think the Oppo X9 is the best looking phone out there.
 
It's just the keyboard precision. Some buttons, especially on the top of the display, are a hit and miss. Don't know if it's down to the software or the hardware. But I had this in my iPhone 12 Pro Max and no in the iPhone 17 Pro Max. I think when it comes to touch precision, Apple settled with good enough.

Honestly, if it wasn't for the relatively robust integration with the Mac, I would have probably go for Android for some years and dive deeper into that ecosystem.
It has nothing to do with touch sensor precision. It’s all about their predictive typing engine gone off the rails.
 
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