Nuno Lopes
macrumors 65816
Fully agree. I think what changed, at least in my view, is that now the same thing can be said about other option. It’s not longer best bread, no questions asked.
Competition is good though.
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Fully agree. I think what changed, at least in my view, is that now the same thing can be said about other option. It’s not longer best bread, no questions asked.
Competition is good though.
It’s subjective because we all have different perspectives. You may say it’s not, but in my opinion, it is a pile of trash because Apple complicated simple tasks and refuse to make the OS core features better. What are the things most Android users say they miss when they come to iPhone? Notifications are better organized, system wide back button/gesture, better keyboard, independent volume controls, sideload apps, default apps system wide, and on device file management. If Apple would lift a finger to try and implement even a couple of these, or at least make them better, I think it would completely change iOS. I do like apples hardware though, I’ll give them that.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Exactly. We all have different perspectives and I have gotten used to the way iOS is and it works for me. When I need to do something I don’t have to fumble around.
It’s fast, responsive, in my iPhone good battery life. I’m not sure Apple would fix anything on that list, because I don’t know if it requires fixing.
Familiarity and muscle memory go hand in hand.
TheMacDaddy1
macrumors 65816
Thinking that using Apple devices, or Linux is going to do anything to the collection of your data is like thinking exhaling into a hurricane will stop it.
EVERYONE and EVERYTHING is collecting your data, including this site. Credit card companies know everything you buy, when and where, online or in person. Your cell provider, knows EVERY DNS call you make. Do you own property, pay taxes, have a drivers license, vote....etc...etc...etc. I work in IT for a retail company....the moment you walk in one of our locations, your phone is giving off data and we are sucking it up. They all do. I can tell you which path you took through the location, where you stopped to look at things and how long you stopped for. It correlates this data with our security cameras.
If you read the fine details of what 3rd part entities actually get from apps downloaded and used from the Apple app store it would shock you. Apple privacy...is a marketing tool.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
That’s very interesting but only if Bluetooth an or WiFi is on. I’ve been doing this for years when I go into a mall which is to turn off Bluetooth and WiFi. UWB can be used to track your position to a literal hair.
You are suggestion devs are apple employees and that apple privacy is smoke and mirrors.
Apple privacy is real, however, the devs are free to do what they want with your personal data within the limitations of the permissions they are given.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
At some level whether it’s the “best” or not is not relevant. Recent MR News Thread articles about satisfaction and shipping and not to mention the recent earnings call show what the pulse of consumers are. The pulse of hyperbolic MR poster may not resonate at all with the general Apple consumer.
And sure competition is good, we tell ourselves.
kalsta
macrumors 68000
Agreed. The Turing and editing experience OS trickle these days.
Note: I probably should correct this comment but it’s host to hard to select and retype words.
Lioness~
macrumors 601
I would love to buy a new iPhone, if they did a new iPhone Mini.
But they don't 😡
Fortunately the software has become better on my mini, so it's still very good.
My hopes are that next CEO will give us a smaller phone again🤞
If not....I have to make a descision how to move forward ⁉️ A Samsung is possible, before big phones.
But they don't 😡
Fortunately the software has become better on my mini, so it's still very good.
My hopes are that next CEO will give us a smaller phone again🤞
If not....I have to make a descision how to move forward ⁉️ A Samsung is possible, before big phones.
sjsharksfan12
macrumors 68030
What kind of struggles? While I am still tempted to go back to Iphone one day, I went to TMobile yesterday to find out what kind of promotions I can get and realized maybe holding on to the Samsung Phone isn't a bad idea for the time being. I might change, but not for a while.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
I own an iPhone and a Samsung and have to say the Samsung is leagues ahead.
wanha
macrumors 68030
that's cool that you're so heavily into them. May I ask if this is professional endeavor or something you just do for fun?
The Game 161
macrumors Nehalem
if people were that against the product they wouldn't be buying it. clearly it's good enough for most people to carry on upgrading each year
iMac The Knife
macrumors 65816
wanha
macrumors 68030
"I have always said, if you don't like Apple hardware or software, buy a product from a competitor. If enough people did that and it impacted Apple's bottom line, maybe they would be forced to change."
This would make sense if we weren't discussing ~$1000 products. If I purchase an iPhone 17 Pro and find that it's not all that swell, I can hardly ditch it for a phone from say, Samsung; I've got to keep it for a few years. Hardly consumer behavior that will create noticeable change...
In a free market the “buy from a competitor” argument might make some kind of sense.
But Apple/Google/etc successfully lobbied the US government to ban their primary competitor on ******** “security” grounds. Consumers don’t get a choice because the American government is picking winners and losers.
Economic protectionism is good for Apple’s share price, but bad for consumers.
But Apple/Google/etc successfully lobbied the US government to ban their primary competitor on ******** “security” grounds. Consumers don’t get a choice because the American government is picking winners and losers.
Economic protectionism is good for Apple’s share price, but bad for consumers.
slippery-pete
macrumors 68030
No, you don’t have to keep it, you choose to. And then probably buy another iPhone after that.
I couldn’t imagine keeping a product that I don’t like, doesn’t meet my needs, and that has crappy software for a “few years”
Will agree to disagree
Yes... and no. If I purchase an item that is costly I do have to keep it, and for a fair amount of time; I'm not so well off I can do otherwise. Personally, I have no real issues with Apple products, and will probably purchase the iPhone 18 - not sure if I'll go cheap & wait for the 18e or get the Pro Max in October. I have yet to find that the apps on my phone don't meet my needs. But don't presume to tell a person that they can afford to just buy a new thing without "getting their money's worth" out of the first one.
zarmanto
macrumors 65816
These are indeed highly personal decisions, regardless of your personal net worth. Even those of us who lean more towards frugality still have to decide exactly when that "getting your money's worth" cutoff takes place. You've mentioned a not at all uncommon timeline measured in multiple years at a minimum... but it seems to me that a bad experience could easily sway a person towards concluding that they've gotten all the value out of a product that they're going to get out of it, potentially much sooner than that. This is also the core of Pete's argument, I think.
Of course, another important factor in the ROI analysis is resale value; it's been pretty well established for a number of years now that -- so long as you're not trying to sell it back to Apple -- iPhones tend to retain more of their value in the secondary market than non-Apple counterparts. That resale value can also appreciably reduce the time to reach the cutoff, if you're willing to part with your old handset.