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Apple has ZERO reason to do any kind of deal with Samsung. Apple is confident they can continue to stymie their efforts, and MEANWHILE . . . the iPad will continue to sell like gangbusters and Samsung will be dropped as a supplier.

When you're ahead in the game - technically and on the consumer side - you don't show empathy to competitors.

Until the consumer gets tired of it, then it's a big deal.
 
I believe that if apples does win that it will definately hurt the consumers' choice of which tablet to buy. I also believe that Samsung started firing back just because of what Apple has done to them as well. If Apple had left Samsung along, I doubt Samsung would have looked for ways to bring Apple to court.

I think this dispute between the two is stupid and that they should just let the devices speak for themselves. Let the competition begin! If the Tab is better than the iPad 2 then Apple should just hurry up and release the iPad 3 to crush the Tab.
 
I believe that if apples does win that it will definately hurt the consumers' choice of which tablet to buy. I also believe that Samsung started firing back just because of what Apple has done to them as well. If Apple had left Samsung along, I doubt Samsung would have looked for ways to bring Apple to court.

I think this dispute between the two is stupid and that they should just let the devices speak for themselves. Let the competition begin! If the Tab is better than the iPad 2 then Apple should just hurry up and release the iPad 3 to crush the Tab.

Apple fears competition, that's why they try to crush all up and coming companies. For some strange reason they question whether their products will sell on their own merit which is ridiculous since they have an excellent product line.
 
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...Weird, isn't this?

Standards
Consumer perception knockoff < Legally knockoff.

Thus, from a marketing standpoint, Apple has already done the damage. That was probably their main goal in the first place. They want to keep as big a slice as possible of the pie they helped make. After a long legal battle, they might "lose" in court, but it's not like the courts will hand a portion of Apple's piece of the pie to Samsung.

...There are many reasons to be pro-Samsung, legally or otherwise, but in terms of product image, being pro-Samsung would be like cheering for Mr. Bolt after he bolted prematurely.

Anyway, I can't choose between 2 conclusions:

(1) Unbiased people (not Korean or hired by Samsung) are actually really into this patents battle thing even though it's probably not about who wins in court.

(2) The sources of the pro-Samsung/anti-Apple votes have some reason to be biased (e.g., Korean, Samsung-employees, etc).

Of course, I'm not saying all Koreans get overzealous, but China, Japan, and Korea all have their share of people who would do things like +1 anything Samsung/Sony/whatever chinese thing and -1 any 'enemy' thing. Is that what's in play here? Or not?

So, you're unbiased only if you side Apple? If you don't side Apple in everything you're Korean, a Samsung employee or a biased person?

Pot, kettle?
 
I cannot believe you guys sometimes, moaning about samsung, next thing you will be complaining that android STOLE pull down notifications:) I hate to to tell you this but android is better than IOS, there are said you can all burst into tears and get very upset:):):)
dont blame samsung remember "good artists copy great artists steal", of course in some folks eyes this doesnt seem to apply unless you Apple
Clip of someone we all know :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

Scottie
 
Until the consumer gets tired of it, then it's a big deal.

Consumer tired of Apple?

Not on this planet. Joe Consumer doesn't even know about these legal issues. Meanwhile he's waiting for new Apple gear, wallet open.

Apple can, within the allowance of the law (everything they're doing is perfectly legal and everyone knows this), run as roughshod as they like over the competition and the end result will be: more record sales.

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Apple fears competition, that uses their designs and IP with impunity that's why they try to crush all up and coming companies who use Apple's design and IP with impunity

Fixed to reflect reality. Steve Jobs and Tim Cook warned everyone long ago to tread very carefully in terms of IP. They're now putting teeth behind that warning. Apple has already gotten injunctions against Samsung, and now Samsung is buckling from that pressure, including the fallout from Apple dumping them. Seems Apple has a case. Do you see any injunctions against Apple gear? Do you see any requirement that Apple must hand over their goods to Samsung or anyone else for examination? I certainly don't.

We'll see who makes the cut in the court system and who has to head back to the drawing-board. Apple is perfectly ready to deal with whatever the outcome may be - mostly because the consumer in any case is squarely behind Apple. That is all that is needed, and Apple knows how to maintain their robust consumer base and expand it.

Is the competition ready? In 2011 the battle extends from the stock shelves into the courts. Everyone has to fess up and deal with this reality. There is no changing it.
 
I was wondering why Samsung was still trying to release their tablet, for a while so many new tablets were being released as well as this one having aged, I thought it would still matter but not be as important, but I forgot that the holiday season is coming up which explains why they still want in on the Australian market.
 
Consumer tired of Apple?

Not on this planet. Joe Consumer doesn't even know about these legal issues. Meanwhile he's waiting for new Apple gear, wallet open.

Apple can, within the allowance of the law (everything they're doing is perfectly legal and everyone knows this), run as roughshod as they like over the competition and the end result will be: more record sales.

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Fixed to reflect reality. Steve Jobs and Tim Cook warned everyone long ago to tread very carefully in terms of IP. They're now putting teeth behind that warning. Apple has already gotten injunctions against Samsung, and now Samsung is buckling from that pressure, including the fallout from Apple dumping them. Seems Apple has a case. Do you see any injunctions against Apple gear? Do you see any requirement that Apple must hand over their goods to Samsung or anyone else for examination? I certainly don't.

We'll see who makes the cut in the court system and who has to head back to the drawing-board. Apple is perfectly ready to deal with whatever the outcome may be - mostly because the consumer in any case is squarely behind Apple. That is all that is needed, and Apple knows how to maintain their robust consumer base and expand it.

Is the competition ready? In 2011 the battle extends from the stock shelves into the courts. Everyone has to fess up and deal with this reality. There is no changing it.

None are so blind as those who will not see. Keep wearing those Apple glasses.
 
None are so blind as those who will not see. Keep wearing those Apple glasses.

I can, in fact, only comment on what I see. And what I see is a serious case of Apple-mania, worldwide. That is, firmly entrenched Apple-mania. Apple's legitimate use of equally legitimate court mechanisms has little to no bearing on that Apple-mania - which at times rises to a fevered pitch, even among the most jaded around here.

I remember Apple going after Creative quite aggressively years ago, and we were having nearly the very same conversation back then as we are now. And if I am not mistaken, Apple went after other mp3-player purveyors as well. The result: continued, unabated demand for more Apple gear. And this was years ago.

He who captures consumer hearts and minds gets to set the agenda and compel others to follow along, by hook or by crook. It's a by-product of winning over the consumer. As long as Apple keeps creating and designing in their own special way, and as long as they can achieve such remarkable differentiation from the also-rans, this situation for all intents and purposes can go on for years to come, if not indefinitely.

At this time there is simply no way of knowing with any certainty when this Apple-mania will come to an end. All that we *do* know, is that it has a great deal of momentum and staying-power.
 
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I can, in fact, only comment on what I see. And what I see is a serious case of Apple-mania, worldwide. Apple's legitimate use of equally legitimate court mechanisms has little to no bearing on that Apple-mania - which at times rises to a fevered pitch, even among the most jaded around here.

I remember Apple going after Creative quite aggressively years ago, and we were having nearly the very same conversation back then as we are now. And if I am not mistaken, Apple went after other mp3-player purveyors as well. The result: continued, unabated demand for more Apple gear. And this was years ago.

He who captures consumer hearts and minds gets to set the agenda and compel others to follow along, by hook or by crook. It's a by-product of winning over the consumer. As long as Apple keeps creating and designing in their own special way, and as long as they can achieve such remarkable differentiation from the also-rans, this situation for all intents and purposes can go on for years to come, if not indefinitely.

At this time there is simply no way of knowing with any certainty when this Apple-mania will come to an end. All that we *do* know, is that it has a great deal of momentum and staying-power.

Your only positve comments are about Apple and you come across as quite hypocritical most of the time. It's your life, enjoy it.
 
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I remember Apple going after Creative quite aggressively years ago, and we were having nearly the very same conversation back then as we are now. And if I am not mistaken, Apple went after other mp3-player purveyors as well. The result: continued, unabated demand for more Apple gear. And this was years ago.

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just a reminder about Creative. :)

Apple pays Creative $100 million in iPod-related lawsuit

even though better products were (and are) still available for cheaper, consumers preferred locked-in, simplified iProducts. that's why very high quality products from Cowon, IRiver remained as small players.
 
Please clarify whats Unique about this device? :confused:

its a scopy of the ipad, even samsungs CEO said so, they would wait until Ipad hit the market and then copy it ( not in those exact terminology)

How the hell is it a copy of the iPad? The software doesn't even look the same, the dimensions are not the same, the colour apart from the bezel (which tablet's have been using years before the iPad) do not look the same.

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Anyone that get's that mixed up with an iPad, is about as useful as an ashtray on a motor bike.

I really hope samsung stops the iPhone 5 from selling, to give people like you a taste of their own medicine. But then again, i don't like anything about this battle apple and samsung are in, it's pathetic, bad for consumers, and basically results in nothing but lawyers getting a nice bit of green in their pockets.
 
Learn it wasn't going to be easy Samsung,

So basically what this means is, stop manufacturing and selling ******* tablets Samsung.

- You'll never have such a AppStore with it's limitless apps & games.

- You can't seem to fix any lag issue not just the Android operating
system but others as well in the HTC and knock off wannabe OS's

- Stop embarrassing yourselves with patents & wasting our time, you
can't dent the Apple market.

- Take notes but it's really to late to come up with something in the tablet
field, I'd suggest sticking with Televisions and BlueRay Players.

- This link will help with taking notes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPad2 or
just buy an iPad & call it a day.

GoodDay Samsung. It's been real but not real enough. Karma's a bitch.:rolleyes:
 
So basically what this means is, stop manufacturing and selling ******* tablets Samsung.

- You'll never have such a AppStore with it's limitless apps & games.

- You can't seem to fix any lag issue not just the Android operating
system but others as well in the HTC and knock off wannabe OS's

- Stop embarrassing yourselves with patents & wasting our time, you
can't dent the Apple market.

- Take notes but it's really to late to come up with something in the tablet
field, I'd suggest sticking with Televisions and BlueRay Players.

- This link will help with taking notes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPad2 or
just buy an iPad & call it a day.

GoodDay Samsung. It's been real but not real enough. Karma's a bitch.:rolleyes:

Samsung doesn't to have an app store like apple's, they have the android market for that.


My galaxy s2 is faster than my iPhone 4, and has never suffered from any lag.


Apple is the one embarrassing themselves with the patents, they started this nonsense.


How is it too late to come up with a good tablet, when the tablet "market" is still new and improving? It's a baby compared to the mobile "market", and their is still a lot of "movement" to be made.
 
On my flight today to athens i saw something that could help resolve this whole debate regarding Samsung copying Apple design. What i saw was yet another one of those "louis vuitton"-lookalikes. Not a fake one, but one drawing on its design language. In short, for those who know bout their trademark design, they replaced the traditional LV signature charms to other, generic, ones. Cant seem to find a pic. atm, but im sure most of you know what i am talking about.

I'd say that these bags on the "copy-continuum" are far worse than the galaxy pad. Even so, i think most people agree that they are in their right of selling these bags. The bags are not intended to confuse the costumer - no one thinks its a LV-bag. The bags are not intended to be fakes - they are clearly different. What they've done is take a popular design, alter it, and make their own product. Cheap one might think, but entirely within reason according to most.

Ironically, however, while this seems self-evident to the majority of consumers when it comes to clothes and such, an awful lot of people (albeit hardly sampled randomly i guess) seem to be very upset in this case. This is quite strange, as unlike the bag, the technical artefact in question has a whole other dimension in which it can differentiate (and, in this dimension the pad and the tab are clearly distinct).

Of course Apple in many ways have inspired the designs of others. They are however, just like the the bag in my example (actually way less), not fakes, nor copies.
 
So basically what this means is, stop manufacturing and selling ******* tablets Samsung.

- You'll never have such a AppStore with it's limitless apps & games.

- You can't seem to fix any lag issue not just the Android operating
system but others as well in the HTC and knock off wannabe OS's

- Stop embarrassing yourselves with patents & wasting our time, you
can't dent the Apple market.
Looks like you have never used an Android device. Perhaps you didn't bother to because you like staying inside the :apple: brick wall.

And, it's wrong to give consumers more choices? Isn't that what drives the electronics industry? I'm an Apple fan, but I tend to believe the Tab is more attractive than the iPad. I like iOS but I prefer Android because it's more open and apps can do more on the phone than iOS apps.

Many popular iOS games have their Android equivalents and some are completely free (e.g Angry Birds is free on Android) but with the inclusion of ads. But hey, at least they're free.

Calling Android a rip-off is too far. Guess iOS ripped off Android's notification system, but it's Apple so they do no wrong. :) (inb4cydia).

I know why people seem to detest Apple fans.
 
Netherlands, because is the entry point to all Europe and the injuction in Netherland would affected ALL the Europe but Germany

Wrong. Apple filed for an injunction in Düsseldorf under the wrong assumption that the court was responsible for all of Europe except the Netherlands, and in the Netherlands to cover the one whole. Turned out that Apple (and the court in Düsseldorf) were wrong, and that court could only decide for Germany. The Dutch court only speaks for the Netherlands. In the rest of Europe, there was no valid attempt at an injunction, and therefore no decision for or against either Apple or Samsung.


And, it's wrong to give consumers more choices? Isn't that what drives the electronics industry? I'm an Apple fan, but I tend to believe the Tab is more attractive than the iPad. I like iOS but I prefer Android because it's more open and apps can do more on the phone than iOS apps.

I'd follow Neelie Kroes here: The consumer is _not_ helped if businesses compete by ripping of their competitors. Because someone has to start with innovation, and if innovative companies, like Apple, are not protected by the laws and can be ripped off, then they will stop innovating and the consumer loses out. The outer design of the Samsung tablet is a rip-off of the iPad, and you can just look at Sony or Toshiba to see that these companies can innovate if they try. Why does Samsung refuse to?
 
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Wrong. Apple filed for an injunction in Düsseldorf under the wrong assumption that the court was responsible for all of Europe except the Netherlands, and in the Netherlands to cover the one whole. Turned out that Apple (and the court in Düsseldorf) were wrong, and that court could only decide for Germany. The Dutch court only speaks for the Netherlands. In the rest of Europe, there was no valid attempt at an injunction, and therefore no decision for or against either Apple or Samsung.




I'd follow Neelie Kroes here: The consumer is _not_ helped if businesses compete by ripping of their competitors. Because someone has to start with innovation, and if innovative companies, like Apple, are not protected by the laws and can be ripped off, then they will stop innovating and the consumer loses out. The outer design of the Samsung tablet is a rip-off of the iPad, and you can just look at Sony or Toshiba to see that these companies can innovate if they try. Why does Samsung refuse to?

Doubt Neelie Kroes would ever say that there should only be market-leaders either though. In every market there are leaders and followers. This is beneficiary to not only the consumer, but the society at large.

p.s. please stop taking about "start innovating", like the ipad has innovative design. it hasnt. not even nearly. you're just making my head hurt splurting out nonsense like that.
 
The iPad looks simple, elegant, modern and feels well-built (my parents have an iPad so I know what I'm talking about) and I can't deny that.

Apple knows how to design aesthetics but I wouldn't call the iPad's design innovative (rectangular slab with a screen).

The unibody aluminium notebooks (owner of one too) are innovative however.
 
The iPad looks simple, elegant, modern and feels well-built (my parents have an iPad so I know what I'm talking about) and I can't deny that.

Apple knows how to design aesthetics but I wouldn't call the iPad's design innovative (rectangular slab with a screen).

The unibody aluminium notebooks (owner of one too) are innovative however.

Out of curiosity, why so?
 
Wrong. Apple filed for an injunction in Düsseldorf under the wrong assumption that the court was responsible for all of Europe except the Netherlands, and in the Netherlands to cover the one whole. Turned out that Apple (and the court in Düsseldorf) were wrong, and that court could only decide for Germany. The Dutch court only speaks for the Netherlands. In the rest of Europe, there was no valid attempt at an injunction, and therefore no decision for or against either Apple or Samsun

Mmm, no, the injuction in Netherland cover all Europe countries, the problem for Apple is that they didn't did all the bureaucracy in all the countries
 
So in this battle of the Titans - who will win? Or do we all lose and Microsoft/Amazon laugh all the way to the bank.
 
Only the guilty try to make concessions.

Samsung is knockoff scrum.

I'll never buy another Samsung product as long as I live.... not a TV, washer, fridge or anything else the thieving company makes.

So when are you gonna get rid of your iphone and ipad? Guess who makes the screen? You guess it.
 
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