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You are crazy. Have you though about the fact that maybe, just maybe, people halted Samsung phone purchases in anticipation of Galaxy SII (in US), Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Note and Galaxy SII HD LTE?

Nobody but us geeks know those phones even exist or will soon exist. My parents and in-laws who are over 60 are aware of when new iPhones are on the horizon. The pending iPhone release has a much greater impact on the market. This is what comes from having only a handful of phones that run iOS -- people don't have to keep track of too much -- and the media helps (or hurts from Apple's perspective) since they actually report on pending iPhone updates in the main stream.

Android models are like the weather in the US midwest. If you don't like the current look of things then wait five minutes. The mere fact that you had to mention 4 models that people might be anticipating is proof of what I said. Android's largest buyer base are folks who walk into the store and want to upgrade and simply pick the best looking screen, the best camera or the most number of buttons they can find on a phone that still comes with a cheap or free upgrade. The public outside of us tech geeks is not clamoring for the next great Android phone -- there are simply too many of them for the layman to keep track of.
 
I really don't get why people try to justify why Samsung sold more smartphones than Apple by bashing Samsung.

I mean, if they did, good for them. If they didn't, they still sold millions, so whatever. We're not even sure since the numbers are estimates...

You guys trying to defend Apple sound absolutely ridiculous.. it's not like they pay for your bills.

Samsung did have a good quarter. If the SIII they demoed is what they put to market, they will now have a really bad one.
 
Or perhaps Apple is only after one (or a small subset of the) market, not the globe, similar to their strategy with their Macintosh computers.

Regardless, the option of having choice is great, though it is always hard for me to recommend the "best" phone for someone, due to the plethora of overlap on the android side of the fence. In some ways, it is quite similar to the confusing options available in heyday of the PC revolution.

Actually in terms of Macintosh computers Apple offers much more choices. Imagine Apple would only offer 21" iMac.
 
Shipped Vs Sold

Shipped VS Sold there is a huge difference. Didnt another phone maker get called out on this? may have even been samsung
 
Hmmm interesting... Talk of manufactured the most... Talk of shipping the most... Shipping goes without saying if the manufacturing statement is true, otherwise they'd leave them sitting in the manufacturing plant lol... Something missing from this report... SELLING!!!

How many have they sold? Is this another report where a company says they've shipped more than a million I think it was, then later the full story came out that all but 20,000 were still sitting in shops...

I expect more to this story soon...
 
If apple outsells

"Of course they do they are the absolute best everyone else isn't even trying it seems lol they're so stupid "

If not

"Its quality over quantity guys "

If apple changes a product

"They are so revolutionary they know what people want they are always pushing the boundary. Omg they're amazing "

If they don't

"Well it was already perfect. They don't have to change anything, its already perfect. The other guys that are constantly changing it up don't know what they're doing "


I could go on and on. Lol

Now, you know what a religious nut is.
 
Nobody but us geeks know those phones even exist or will soon exist. My parents and in-laws who are over 60 are aware of when new iPhones are on the horizon. The pending iPhone release has a much greater impact on the market. This is what comes from having only a handful of phones that run iOS -- people don't have to keep track of too much -- and the media helps (or hurts from Apple's perspective) since they actually report on pending iPhone updates in the main stream.

Android models are like the weather in the US midwest. If you don't like the current look of things then wait five minutes. The mere fact that you had to mention 4 models that people might be anticipating is proof of what I said. Android's largest buyer base are folks who walk into the store and want to upgrade and simply pick the best looking screen, the best camera or the most number of buttons they can find on a phone that still comes with a cheap or free upgrade. The public outside of us tech geeks is not clamoring for the next great Android phone -- there are simply too many of them for the layman to keep track of.

Except MILLIONS of Samsung (and other Android) phones are selling. So what's the point. In business - the bottom line is sales. Period. Both Apple and Samsung are (even in this economy) selling great. Congrats to BOTH companies.
 
Uhh, yeah, kind of a no-brainer here. Q4 2011 ended before the 4S launch, so of course sales were way down. Everyone knew a new phone was imminent and so they held off. Not exactly shocking news.

I agree. I personally like Samsung phones better then the iPhone, but I do think people were waiting for the new iPhone. Q4 will tell all.
 
...Several observers have also noted that Samsung's number refers to shipments while Apple's refers to sales...

exactly what i was thinking. my father who uses T-Mobile was past his contract and called in not too long ago to cancel his plan. When asked why, he told them that he wanted to get an iPhone 4S. In response, T-Mobile CSR asked what they could possibly do to keep him. My father then asked how much the Samsung Glaxay S II was and T-Mobile decided to just give it to him for FREE. Seems like a desperate giveaway.

C'mon Samsung. Although your statement MAY be true, shipping # ≠ sales #.
 

Nice. But here's to the crazy ones. :D

Halted is quite strong a word. Apple sold 17 million phones during their Q4. That's not "halted" by any meaning of the word. They had sold 20 million in Q3.

And Samsung did have great success with the SGS II, selling 5 million units (only 1 model remember) in 85 days before having any availability in the United States for that model, that's on top of all their other smartphone models.

Samsung is doing something right and their pushing out phones. Apple is also doing something right. This is not a competition, I wonder why people feel so much threatened by the success of a company different from Apple.

I do agree with you that "halted" is a rather harsh term and that "slowed" might have been better. Because Apple releases only one new iPhone per year they benefit from ease with which the masses can understand what their product offers, but they suffer from the fact that many non-tech people are very aware of when an upgrade is on the horizon. Historical data shows a drop in iPhone sales in the quarter preceding their new iPhone launch. Incidentally, they also had a drop in iPad sales in the weeks leading up to iPad 2 launch.

I would say that "threatened" is a bit of a strong word. I think that Samsung surpassing Apple should have been anticipated by everybody including Apple. Apple barely grabbed the top spot last quarter for the first time and that was followed by a quarter in which everybody and there mother knew an iPhone upgrade was on the horizon. Samsung is making some great phones and the Galaxy Nexus looks very nice. I am just saying that this change in leadership position in the last quarter should come as no surprise to anybody. It should also be no surprise if Apple out-sells Samsung in the next quarter. If Samsung were to win the holiday quarter, that would be awesome for them -- but I'd expect them to come in no lower than second place.
 
exactly what i was thinking. my father who uses T-Mobile was past his contract and called in not too long ago to cancel his plan. When asked why, he told them that he wanted to get an iPhone 4S. In response, T-Mobile CSR asked what they could possibly do to keep him. My father then asked how much the Samsung Glaxay S II was and T-Mobile decided to just give it to him for FREE. Seems like a desperate giveaway.

that's definitely some BS
 
Here's a thought regarding people holding back for an upgrade.

There is NO doubt there was pent up demand for the new iPhone. And it's sold VERY well.

However it's a little contradictory to say that Apple sales were hindered by people waiting since there was no release. It seems to me based on the most ardent supporters of Apple that there's no way people would want some other phone or would switch to another phone. If that's the case - why were Samsung's numbers so good.

If people were waiting - they were waiting. Fact is - not everyone was waiting. And it's also possible that those waiting decided that the iPhone 4S wasn't going to be for them.

I don't raise this as evidence or to slight Apple. As I said - both companies faired EXTREMELY well this year and both should be very happy with their #s.
 
Exactly. Samsung sells more phone versions providing the customer with more options and more choices. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact they react better on consumer demand/needs. More networks supported, screen sizes, keyboard types, etc.

Apple is offering one size fits all solution. Soviet Union had a similar goods offering. You could only buy one type of milk. Do you want no fat, low fat, lactose-free, organic? You want to much. Forget it. We know what you need. And do you also want jeans and chewing gum? No way: that's wrong :)

Samsung sells more. Of course it does. The likes of

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_mini_s5570-3725.php

It's not hard to sell more. Like for example VAG group sells more than BMW. Big deal.
 
Apple SOLD 17 million+ of a single phone.

Samsung SHIPPED 20 million of many, many models in total - and do we know how many of those have actually sold?!

Units Shipped != Units sold. That's the important figure and all that matters.
I hear about this difference a lot, but I don't understand how Samsung can be expected to provide any other numbers since they're not a retailer.

What happens to all those supposedly unsold phones?
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/9A334)

This is impressive??

They sell at least 23 models, from the good, to the bad, to the ugly.

Now, if it was just two models of the Galaxy S, that would be impressive. But as it stands, all this is is Android market-flood.

Remember: Apple achieves what they do with only one or at most two models of phones. Not over 20. Apple doesn't ship low-end bare-bones commodity-ware.
 
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and apple sold close to 17 million in a 16 month old iphone, while millions of others no doubtedly waited for the new iphone (actually, between 4 and 5 mill from the sounds of the iphone 4s sales).

hogwash I say!
 
Except MILLIONS of Samsung (and other Android) phones are selling. So what's the point. In business - the bottom line is sales. Period. Both Apple and Samsung are (even in this economy) selling great. Congrats to BOTH companies.

Sure congrats to both -- but you will notice that my reply was in response to to the comment that Samsung was whooping Apple and Apple better hurry up and remodel the iPhone or else things will look bleak in the future. I for one was not in need of an exterior change to the iPhone -- just some internal changes. I was a bit disappointed on the RAM side, but so far so good as I have not noticed the "only 512MB" on either my iPad 2 or my iPhone 4S.

You're right about the bottom line being sales (well actually profits which should come from sales providing you have some margin). I fully expect Apple to be the leader in the coming quarter and for Samsung to finish no further than second place. Just as I expected Samsung to be the leader in the last quarter given the slowing of iPhone sales due to the pending widely-publicized upgrade.
 
If that were true - if Apple was only concerned with being niche - then why all the defensive comments. I don't think Apple wants to stay niche. I don't think they ever wanted to be niche. Why else would they keep reporting how their computers are increasing marketshare?

I agree though that having CHOICE is a win-win for everyone. It breeds competition and allows users of all shapes and sizes to get a phone that works best for them.

I don't think anyone could argue that Apple doesn't work hard to protect both their brand, and image, but I am not sure what you mean by defensive in this context.

I can only assume, but I believe Apple reports sales / marketshare to install confidence in their user-base, shareholders, and simply because successful businesses often like to brag. I also don't think being proud of your own brand is a crime, nor is sticking to your values (whatever they are, flawed or not) while still being competitive.

Additionally I feel that it would be hard for anyone to argue against Apple having the capacity to make cheaper products with wider variety. That said, it simply doesn't seem to be of interest to them them. Apple has more or less confirmed this in the case of netbooks, and it appears to also be the case viewing their activity in the smartphone market.

I commend them for sticking to their ideals, as well as Google, Sony, Nike, or any other company that sticks to theirs, it's how a brand becomes more of an icon, than simply an other manufacturer or company.
 
"company benefited from a push into the high end"

that is the most important part of that line... the idea that only low end android phones sell is a myth, it is from top to bottom.
 
exactly what i was thinking. my father who uses T-Mobile was past his contract and called in not too long ago to cancel his plan. When asked why, he told them that he wanted to get an iPhone 4S. In response, T-Mobile CSR asked what they could possibly do to keep him. My father then asked how much the Samsung Glaxay S II was and T-Mobile decided to just give it to him for FREE. Seems like a desperate giveaway.

C'mon Samsung. Although your statement MAY be true, shipping # ≠ sales #.

I guess you missed this part of the article

"Several observers have also noted that Samsung's number refers to shipments while Apple's refers to sales, although those metrics may not be vastly different. Apple's "sales" numbers actually refer to sales into the distribution channel rather than end users"

they not counting people either - what the carriers, distribution centers do with the phone apple has no clue
 
exactly what i was thinking. my father who uses T-Mobile was past his contract and called in not too long ago to cancel his plan. When asked why, he told them that he wanted to get an iPhone 4S. In response, T-Mobile CSR asked what they could possibly do to keep him. My father then asked how much the Samsung Glaxay S II was and T-Mobile decided to just give it to him for FREE. Seems like a desperate giveaway.

C'mon Samsung. Although your statement MAY be true, shipping # ≠ sales #.

You miss the important point. Samsung did not give the phone to your father for free - T-Mobile did. For Samsung, it was a regular sale (they got their money)
 
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