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Samsung Reportedly Dethrones Apple as Top Smartphone Vendor in Q3 2011

weespeed said:
How is it different? If Samsung shipped it, they sold it. They sold it to a carrier and got paid.

So pease explain how is it different regarding samsungs bottom line, $$$..
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From Samsung's perspective, it really isn't all that different. Unless the phone doesn't move off the shelves, and stores start demanding refunds on unused stock.

Though all companies ultimately prefer sales vs. shipped, simply because they know their products are in peoples hand. If it's selling well, then it's building a name for itself (provided it's a good product). If people like it, then it gains mindshare, and more people are likely to buy the updated version of the product later on.
 
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samcraig said:
Who cares. Are you getting a commission?
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Lol, who cares?

You chaps are the ones going on and on about how great Samsung is because they "maybe" sold 3 million more phones (including a range of bargain bin models) then Apples 17 month old iPhone 4. I then go on to point out that the iPhone 4s sold more in it's first 5 days then any Samsung model has in 3 months, and i'm suddenly on Apples payroll? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I hate to draw out the horrid car anolgy, but it truly represents the how misleading this "statistic" is.

It's like comparing sales of the Porsche Carrera GT, to the entire GM line up. Who gives a crap that they sold more cars, when most of them were chevy cobalts?

The funny thing is, Apple is actually neck in neck with Samsung, and I'm sure will surpass them next quarter with the 4S launch. It's like Porsche coming out and saying they sold more Carrera GTs then the entire GM line up combined lol.

As an investor, I know which company deserves my money.
 
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paul4339 said:
Here's some more substantial data (using a sample of 2 people isn't good):

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1232811/

Apple retention rates 89%; Samsung 28%.

Samsung is selling lots of phones, but also losing lots of customers (poor retention), Apple keeps most of it customers.

Good thing is that the market is wide open still (lots of first time smartphone buyers)

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Another case of comparing Apples to oranges. Of course people switch from one Android phone to another much more often than they switch between different platforms - because it's easy. People easily switch from Samsung phones (to other Android phones) and they are just as easily come back. It's the overall trend that matters and apparently this trend looks better for Samsung than for Apple.
 
This argument is as stupid as it is pointless. Nobody gives a **** what kind of phone you like. Shop by specs, brand or spite; it doesn't matter - just shut up about it.
 
samcraig said:
Ok Oliver Stone - do you have any idea how supply chains work? Just because Samsung supplies one or more parts doesn't mean they have a CLUE about anything else that Apple is doing.

If I supply your restaurant with ground meat - do I know what you're putting on the menu? All I know is that you are using ground meat.
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Ok, let's realistically look at your comment.

If you were supplying me with ground meat, a certain blend of spices, ketchup, vinegar and a certain style of baking pan, would not have a good idea that I was making meat loaf?

Samsung does far more than merely burn Apple's processors onto silicon for them, after all. Samsung is probably Apple's single largest supplier of components.

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KnightWRX said:
Yes, I'm sure Samsung derives tons of information from Flash memory, CPUs and screens. :rolleyes:
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You'd be surprised at how that kind of information can be used.
 
jhende7 said:
Lol, who cares?

You chaps are the ones going on and on about how great Samsung is because they "maybe" sold 3 million more phones (including a range of bargain bin models) then Apples 17 month old iPhone 4. I then go on to point out that the iPhone 4s sold more in it's first 5 days then any Samsung model has in 3 months, and i'm suddenly on Apples payroll? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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You misunderstand me. I don't give a flying fig who sells more. I buy the phone that's right for me and I encourage everyone to buy the phone that's best for them. I don't care what other people use. I don't care how many this one sold over that one. I don't have some weird wacked out sense of competition that I have to have the best selling or most popular phone.

And I certainly never accused you or anyone of being on a payroll.
 
Vulpinemac said:
Ok, let's realistically look at your comment.

If you were supplying me with ground meat, a certain blend of spices, ketchup, vinegar and a certain style of baking pan, would not have a good idea that I was making meat loaf?
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so the iPhone is made out of 100% Samsung parts?
 
paul4339 said:
Here's some more substantial data (using a sample of 2 people isn't good):

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1232811/

Apple retention rates 89%; Samsung 28%.

Samsung is selling lots of phones, but also losing lots of customers (poor retention), Apple keeps most of it customers.

Good thing is that the market is wide open still (lots of first time smartphone buyers)

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i'd like to see a sub poll of if the people leaving samsung are sticking with android... would think they'd be more tied to the OS than to the phone manufacturer but apple/ios is like 1 in the same when it comes to the iphone. makes for hard comparrisons.
 
Vulpinemac said:
Ok, let's realistically look at your comment.

If you were supplying me with ground meat, a certain blend of spices, ketchup, vinegar and a certain style of baking pan, would not have a good idea that I was making meat loaf?
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Bad analogy rebuttal...he was ONLY providing you the ground beef, nothing else! :rolleyes:
 
Vulpinemac said:
Ok, let's realistically look at your comment.

If you were supplying me with ground meat, a certain blend of spices, ketchup, vinegar and a certain style of baking pan, would not have a good idea that I was making meat loaf?

Samsung does far more than merely burn Apple's processors onto silicon for them, after all. Samsung is probably Apple's single largest supplier of components.

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You'd be surprised at how that kind of information can be used.
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Don't be so naive. And don't try to engage in an argument with this faulty logic. Samsung doesn't have any inside information as to what Apple is doing with these parts. You really think Apple would tip their hand to their component suppliers? Really?
 
Vulpinemac said:
You'd be surprised at how that kind of information can be used.
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Flash memory...CPU...screen. BOBBY! I do believe Apple is making some sort of computational device! Considering the small size of the screen, I do believe it's possible they're intending it to be...I dunno...portable?

I dunno, Jim. I'm not seeing any RAM in any of our orders.

...then just what are those geniuses at Apple doing? :eek:
 
samcraig said:
Except MILLIONS of Samsung (and other Android) phones are selling. So what's the point. In business - the bottom line is sales. Period. Both Apple and Samsung are (even in this economy) selling great. Congrats to BOTH companies.
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Actually, you're wrong. In business, the bottom line is profits, and Samsung is definitely NOT the one with the profits.
 
AppleFan1984 said:
I hear about this difference a lot, but I don't understand how Samsung can be expected to provide any other numbers since they're not a retailer.

What happens to all those supposedly unsold phones?
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What happens to them? They eventually either get sold off at bargain-basement prices or they get returned to the manufacturer as unsold goods, to get shipped someplace else that may show a better market.
 
rockrigo said:
so the iPhone is made out of 100% Samsung parts?
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I didn't say 100%, but it is a high proportion.

It is Apple's proprietary recipe, though. Still, it's pretty easy to see what's coming when you know a major portion of the components ordered, right?
 
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lilo777 said:
Another case of comparing Apples to oranges. Of course people switch from one Android phone to another much more often than they switch between different platforms - because it's easy. People easily switch from Samsung phones (to other Android phones) and they are just as easily come back. It's the overall trend that matters and apparently this trend looks better for Samsung than for Apple.
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Possibly, but how do you explain "Android as a whole has a planned retention rate of about 55% according to the survey" & "31% of surveyed Android users report intending to switch to the iPhone" ?

Doesn't this mean the trend is going the opposite way? meaning lots of people switching out of Samsung, but Samsung is also winning lots of new customers?

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Competition is a good thing. This will only make Apple upgrade their iPhone more often and with even better features.

It should also be noted that Samsung has a lot more different style smartphones whereas the iPhone is the only Apple entry. If Apple went with a second option that was junky and cheap, they'd probably be in the lead. I bet iPhone is by far the number one upper end phone in sales.
 
Well done Samsung the Galaxy Nexus looks to be the future of smartphones. The Galaxy SII is also a brilliant product.
 
danahn17 said:
Bad analogy rebuttal...he was ONLY providing you the ground beef, nothing else! :rolleyes:
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But Samsung isn't, are they? Samsung provides the manufacturing processes for Apple-designed chips, RAM, Flash memory, displays and numerous smaller components.
 
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