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Yeah, that's kinda pants. You'd think adequate cushioning would resolve that issue. I still like MagSafe though, incorrect alignment with non-MagSafe wireless charging is a right pain.
To each their own. I feel like the time spent adjusting a phone on a non-MagSafe wireless charger is a wash when you have to physically unsnap the MagSafe charger from a phone.
 
Indeed, they are such a crap company that Apple sources components from them because no one else can match their quality. Have you ever actually used of their devices? The screens in the Galaxy lineup are superior to iPhones. Night time photos are superior as well.

When Apple comes out with a phone that has a foldable display, just remember who did that first too.
Sounds like you're on the wrong forum. You're team Samsung and on the hate bandwagon for Apple. Please go to the Samsung forums so you can enjoy preaching such love for this company as you're doing here. Pathetic.
 
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Indeed, they are such a crap company that Apple sources components from them because no one else can match their quality. Have you ever actually used of their devices? The screens in the Galaxy lineup are superior to iPhones. Night time photos are superior as well.

When Apple comes out with a phone that has a foldable display, just remember who did that first too.
To use an analogy, just because you can grow great vegetables doesn't automatically make you a great cook, nor does it mean you know know you run a restaurant.

Samsung makes great components. I don't think anyone here is denying that, but the reason why many of us here continue to favour iPhones is because of Apple's ability to put these components together to get that unique Apple user experience that no other company can replicate.

It all goes back to Apple's design-led culture, where Apple designers call the shots, and search for and have technology made to serve the product experience, not engineers excited about about new hot tech and trying to turn it into a product. Apple Glasses vs. foldable phones is the latest example of Apple's design culture leading to an entirely different product than what engineering-led companies are doing.

In Samsung's credit, they do make good phones, but we are now at an inflection point where it is no longer enough to just have a great smartphone if you want to stand out from the crowd. You need the entire ecosystem. Apple has it all. Their own processors. Their own App Store with numerous iOS-only apps. 5-year software support. You name it.

And if we want to go back to the discussion of bluetooth trackers, here's an overview of how Apple's find my protocol has worked since ios13, which clearly goes beyond being a simple bluetooth tracker.


Does Samsung have enough control over its own software and ecosystem to make this work as well? Or are they closer to tile in terms of implementation?

So what we will probably get is another product that looks close enough to airtags on a superficial level, but then you look deeper and realise that the way Apple goes about it is on an entirely different level compared to Samsung.
 
Sounds like you're on the wrong forum. You're team Samsung and on the hate bandwagon for Apple. Please go to the Samsung forums so you can enjoy preaching such love for this company as you're doing here. Pathetic.

Wrong assumption, not that I'm surprised. I have an iPhone, iPad, am typing this from a 4 month old MacBook Pro, use AirPods daily, wear my Apple watch every day while my high-end watches chill in a watch box and my kids are currently watching Home Alone 2 for the 564654 time this holiday season thru my Apple TV (connected to a Samsung TV).

So please, tell me more about how I'm "Team Samsung"....

What's actually pathetic is your inability to accept other peoples opinions, and your incredibly inaccurate assumptions.
 
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To use an analogy, just because you can grow great vegetables doesn't automatically make you a great cook, nor does it mean you know know you run a restaurant.

Samsung makes great components. I don't think anyone here is denying that, but the reason why many of us here continue to favour iPhones is because of Apple's ability to put these components together to get that unique Apple user experience that no other company can replicate.

It all goes back to Apple's design-led culture, where Apple designers call the shots, and search for and have technology made to serve the product experience, not engineers excited about about new hot tech and trying to turn it into a product. Apple Glasses vs. foldable phones is the latest example of Apple's design culture leading to an entirely different product than what engineering-led companies are doing.

In Samsung's credit, they do make good phones, but we are now at an inflection point where it is no longer enough to just have a great smartphone if you want to stand out from the crowd. You need the entire ecosystem. Apple has it all. Their own processors. Their own App Store with numerous iOS-only apps. 5-year software support. You name it.

And if we want to go back to the discussion of bluetooth trackers, here's an overview of how Apple's find my protocol has worked since ios13, which clearly goes beyond being a simple bluetooth tracker.


Does Samsung have enough control over its own software and ecosystem to make this work as well? Or are they closer to tile in terms of implementation?

So what we will probably get is another product that looks close enough to airtags on a superficial level, but then you look deeper and realise that the way Apple goes about it is on an entirely different level compared to Samsung.

I agree with most of what you're saying, but Samsung currently has the highest smartphone marketshare (based on shipments) than any smartphone maker. In fact they are double Apple's shipments. So while this doesn't tell the whole story since thats not units sold, I also doubt they would spend the money to produce these phones just for them to sit around.

Second, if I could get iOS on some of the Galaxy phones, I 100% would. Personally, I prefer the hole-punch front camera design to the notch, along with the edge-to-edge display.

Lastly, based on the picture on this article, it looks like Samsung is putting this bluetooth tracker-like device under their smart-things brand, which already has a variety of products, and uses a dedicated app (I believe) to control these devices. Couple that with the lax user privacy compared to iOS and a higher market share than iPhones and its not out of the realm to put something together than can use other Samsung devices to help locate the item their tag is attached to.
 
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Wrong assumption, not that I'm surprised. I have an iPhone, iPad, am typing this from a 4 month old MacBook Pro, use AirPods daily, wear my Apple watch every day while my high-end watches chill in a watch box and my kids are currently watching Home Alone 2 for the 564654 time this holiday season thru my Apple TV (connected to a Samsung TV).

So please, tell me more about how I'm "Team Samsung"....

What's actually pathetic is your inability to accept other peoples opinions, and your incredibly inaccurate assumptions.
Yeah! Haha. The usual post of "I have a stack of Apple products" after being called out in order to justify one's trolling.
 
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What's actually pathetic is your inability to accept other peoples opinions, and your incredibly inaccurate assumptions.
Lordy the irony in this post is so over the top! You've done nothing but rebuttal everything stated negative about Samsung. Listen to yourself for once.
 
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Lordy the irony in this post is so over the top! You've done nothing but rebuttal everything stated negative about Samsung. Listen to yourself for once.

Yes, if people blindly state that Samsung can't innovate, you're darn right I'm going to comment. It's not that hard to accept someones opinion while disagreeing with them, which I've done. All that you seem capable of doing is lobbing inaccurate assumptions and getting angry at the fact I don't worship Apple.
 
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To use an analogy, just because you can grow great vegetables doesn't automatically make you a great cook, nor does it mean you know know you run a restaurant.

Samsung makes great components. I don't think anyone here is denying that, but the reason why many of us here continue to favour iPhones is because of Apple's ability to put these components together to get that unique Apple user experience that no other company can replicate.

It all goes back to Apple's design-led culture, where Apple designers call the shots, and search for and have technology made to serve the product experience, not engineers excited about about new hot tech and trying to turn it into a product. Apple Glasses vs. foldable phones is the latest example of Apple's design culture leading to an entirely different product than what engineering-led companies are doing.

In Samsung's credit, they do make good phones, but we are now at an inflection point where it is no longer enough to just have a great smartphone if you want to stand out from the crowd. You need the entire ecosystem. Apple has it all. Their own processors. Their own App Store with numerous iOS-only apps. 5-year software support. You name it.

And if we want to go back to the discussion of bluetooth trackers, here's an overview of how Apple's find my protocol has worked since ios13, which clearly goes beyond being a simple bluetooth tracker.


Does Samsung have enough control over its own software and ecosystem to make this work as well? Or are they closer to tile in terms of implementation?

So what we will probably get is another product that looks close enough to airtags on a superficial level, but then you look deeper and realise that the way Apple goes about it is on an entirely different level compared to Samsung.

I did forget to mention that while Apple designs beautiful products, they do come with a tradeoff. The user can't replace a battery or expand the internal storage on their phones/tablets. All of their computers (except the Mac Pro) can't be upgraded after the initial purchase. I need a dongle to connect an external monitor, USB keyboard/mouse, external storage drive, etc.
 
1) you may back your own point up yourself.

2) A patent is far from a finished product. Those features may or may not materialise.
Trackers are a big part of the VR experience. Look at HTC’s trackers. These were released over three years ago.

Here is a patent detailing airtags functioning precisely the same as HTC’s trackers. https://www.idropnews.com/news/airtags-may-do-a-lot-more-than-just-help-you-find-your-stuff/145683/


The key to all of this would appear to be Apple’s U1 chip, which offers Ultra Wideband transceivers that can determine the locations of objects such as AirTags with an extremely high degree of accuracy. So for example AirTags could be used as game pieces on a playing board, communicating their exact positions with an augmented reality headset that could overlay them with computer-generated graphics and animations.


Similarly, the tags could be attached to key positions on a person’s body, allowing for their movements to be communicated to an app or game, whether that’s controlling an in-game avatar or tracking a dance workout.
I doubt apple is taking this long and delaying for a simple “I lost my item” tile copycat. This is something bigger.
 
I did forget to mention that while Apple designs beautiful products, they do come with a tradeoff. The user can't replace a battery or expand the internal storage on their phones/tablets. All of their computers (except the Mac Pro) can't be upgraded after the initial purchase. I need a dongle to connect an external monitor, USB keyboard/mouse, external storage drive, etc.
Oh in regards to my feedback about Samsung I may have misdirected where the hypocrisy goes to. Funny how you have nothing but praise for Samsung, then a paragraph of trashing and criticizing Apple's products. Hilarious from a person who claims to own a stack of Apple products.I call B to the S. SMH.
 
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Let's not pretend like Apple was the first company in this market.

Apple usually isn’t. They know their recipe well ever since the fire iPod. First means nothing. Coming out with a good product is all that matters in the long run.
 
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I did forget to mention that while Apple designs beautiful products, they do come with a tradeoff. The user can't replace a battery or expand the internal storage on their phones/tablets. All of their computers (except the Mac Pro) can't be upgraded after the initial purchase. I need a dongle to connect an external monitor, USB keyboard/mouse, external storage drive, etc.
Correct, and I have also on numerous occasions attributed this to their design-led culture, which involves stripping away anything and everything deemed not essential to the essence of a product.

Apple is about minimalism and purity. Their products are not about being the most useful or having the most features, but about being the purest mixture of form and function, with nothing standing between the device and the user.

Yes, the iPhone has no removable batteries and expandable storage, which is a deliberate design choice because from Apple's perspective, allowing for these features would only sacrifice the integrity and the beauty of the device. Again, Apple is trying to make the most pure product possible, which in their eyes means thin, light yet uncompromisingly simple.

This is what makes a great product for Apple, not a huge feature list. Think about the people you know who simply stick a 64gb memory card into a phone and forget about it. Apple would rather you just buy a phone with a larger capacity, which is more straightforward. Yes, Apple makes more money here, and that's always a bonus, but this isn't really what drives Apple. It's just that having no removable media is less complicated for the end user, and helps simplify and perfect the design of the phone overall, which remains their overarching goal.

Obviously, many people disagree with Apple's design decisions, and that's precisely the point, because this is through the eyes of Apple's design team, and one cannot deny that their design philosophy has totally reshaped the phone and computer industries over the past 10+ years, because it works.
 
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To each their own. I feel like the time spent adjusting a phone on a non-MagSafe wireless charger is a wash when you have to physically unsnap the MagSafe charger from a phone.
It's less about the time spent adjusting it, it's more about waking up in the morning and finding it hasn't charged.

Do you find the unsnapping an issue? I have a 12 Mini so I just push the puck off the back of my phone with my thumb as I pick it up, but I can see that with the larger phones that could be more of an issue. Still, at least it's easy, something you can do without looking and without really thinking. Aligning non-magsafe chargers take actual care an attention, just feels like more of a hassle. Unless you use those vertical ones that do the alignment for you maybe?

Also the need to detach isn't an inherent flaw in MagSafe. There's nothing stopping someone releasing a larger, heavier MagSafe dock that won't lift up with your phone.
 
Apple usually isn’t. They know their recipe well ever since the fire iPod. First means nothing. Coming out with a good product is all that matters in the long run.
I'm very much aware of that, however not the point of my comment. Multiple posts were alluding to the fact that Samsung is copying a yet-to-be-announced Apple product. The truth is that Tile is the main player in this tracking market at the moment. I'm sure both Samsung and Apple will bring their own spin on this tech, but the claims that Samsung is copying Apple is silly.
 
Correct, and I have also on numerous occasions attributed this to their design-led culture, which involves stripping away anything and everything deemed not essential to the essence of a product.

Apple is about minimalism and purity. Their products are not about being the most useful or having the most features, but about being the purest mixture of form and function, with nothing standing between the device and the user.

Yes, the iPhone has no removable batteries and expandable storage, which is a deliberate design choice because from Apple's perspective, allowing for these features would only sacrifice the integrity and the beauty of the device. Again, Apple is trying to make the most pure product possible, which in their eyes means thin, light yet uncompromisingly simple.

This is what makes a great product for Apple, not a huge feature list. Think about the people you know who simply stick a 64gb memory card into a phone and forget about it. Apple would rather you just buy a phone with a larger capacity, which is more straightforward. Yes, Apple makes more money here, and that's always a bonus, but this isn't really what drives Apple. It's just that having no removable media is less complicated for the end user, and helps simplify and perfect the design of the phone overall, which remains their overarching goal.

Obviously, many people disagree with Apple's design decisions, and that's precisely the point, because this is through the eyes of Apple's design team, and one cannot deny that their design philosophy has totally reshaped the phone and computer industries over the past 10+ years, because it works.

I just don't think a team that is design driven should be the ones to decide what is or is not complicated for me, especially when the general public is more tech savvy than 10, 15, 20 years ago.

Also, how many of their beautiful iPhones wind up in cases anyways? I have the Green iPhone 11 Pro. It's a beautiful phone and beautiful color, but it's probably been out of a case for maybe 0.01% of the time. It could have a second tray similar to that of the SIM card and I'd barely notice. It makes for great presentation is ads, but for everyday use, it doesn't matter all that much.
 
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It's less about the time spent adjusting it, it's more about waking up in the morning and finding it hasn't charged.

Do you find the unsnapping an issue? I have a 12 Mini so I just push the puck off the back of my phone with my thumb as I pick it up, but I can see that with the larger phones that could be more of an issue. Still, at least it's easy, something you can do without looking and without really thinking. Aligning non-magsafe chargers take actual care an attention, just feels like more of a hassle. Unless you use those vertical ones that do the alignment for you maybe?

Also the need to detach isn't an inherent flaw in MagSafe. There's nothing stopping someone releasing a larger, heavier MagSafe dock that won't lift up with your phone.

My wireless charger just lays flat on my nightstand. I can align it without looking since the phone vibrates when it's in the correct place, but the charger does light up blue when its in the right spot as well for visual confirmation. At this point it's a mindless activity.

Admittedly, I personally haven't used the MagSafe, but I can see it being useful for those that have this issue. Though between having to physically detach it from the phone plus the possible ring mark it will put around cases, the trade offs don't seem worth it to me. That's just my opinion.
 
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Samsung had wireless charging in their phones before Apple. You can also wirelessly charge a device from their phones, which you can't do with an iPhone.

They have phones with fingerprint sensors under their display, edge-to-edge screens, foldable displays, etc. when iPhones don't.

But yea... they can't innovate...

This is true, no one ever said innovation needs to be thought out, you just throw 100 ideas on the wall and see what sticks, no need to further develop or refine it, no need to think how it integrates with the rest of your product line. And if it blows up, just recall it lol. Amazing
 
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