Samsung Requests to Add iPhone 5 to U.S. Patent Lawsuit

[kdarling]

Just a note:

Obviously not every FRAND patent is automatically included in buying a single broadband processor chip.

There's a lot more than just that chip's hardware involved. There's all the related circuitry surrounding the processor, plus the all-important software that the chip has to run to work, and interactions with other parts.

Buying a chip to do a piece of the puzzle, doesn't buy the whole puzzle.

E.g. Apple didn't use Nokia chips, but they still had to pay Nokia for its FRAND patents related to wireless communications.

 

[subsonix]

Well, we don't know yet. We'll have to see how the case unwinds in a few years down the road (And hopefully, they get a jury that isn't pro-apple).

I based what I said on your statement, that Samsung got pissed and cancel the agreement with Qualcomm. Which would be completely counter to what they are obliged to do, namely, license under fair non-discriminatory terms. I guess we will find out in time during the trial, if Samsung is found to require different terms from Apple than others, then they will lose. The reason is that it's then not non-discriminatory terms any more.

Every other vendor pays the fee.

And so does Apple by buying from Qualcomm, if it's found that the terms are different then they will lose.

The jury is picked by the both parties, so.

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Just a note:

Obviously not every FRAND patent is automatically included in buying a single broadband processor chip.

There's a lot more than just that chip's hardware involved. There's all the related circuitry surrounding the processor, plus the all-important software that the chip has to run to work, and interactions with other parts.

Buying a chip to do a piece of the puzzle, doesn't buy the whole puzzle.

E.g. Apple didn't use Nokia chips, but they had to pay Nokia for its FRAND patents.

I agree, and it's not fully disclosed outside these companies what the exact terms are as far as I know. But I believe that the key is that the same terms must be used for everyone for the terms to be considered, fair and non-discriminatory.

 

[ixodes]

Those of us with experience in high profile court cases know that it's usually about other considerations, in place of truth & justice.

I'd say the fact that this is an American Company, an American Court, Samsung has no chance no matter what the facts are.

Nonetheless it will have no long term effect anyway. It's merely a minor pain for Samsung, one that will pass.

Sooner or later Apples going to face them fairly in the market place. Like it or not.

 

[Technarchy]

http://9to5mac.com/2012/01/17/samsu...nership-could-infringe-samsung-owned-patents/

4G LTE isn't Qualcomm's tech. Qualcomm makes hardware that's compatible with 3g or LTE because they license Samsung's LTE patents, but that doesn't mean the technology belongs to Qualcomm.

Lord almighty. Did you even bother to read the link you posted, or do you not understand it?

Samsung Electronics is alleging that Apple has infringed on Samsung-owned patents that relate to technology embodied in chipsets used in Apple’s iPhones and iPads. The documents are expected to determine whether Apple is in fact a direct customer of Qualcomm — and potentially immune from Samsung’s suits — or whether it purchased its chips through an intermediary.

It's already known that Apple has purchased the chips from Qualcomm, which has a proper licensing agreement with Samsung, which means this legal attempt is DOA in the USA which has a pretty clear stance, backed by legal precedent, on patent exhaustion.

 

[battlefieldfan2]

Lord almighty. Did you even bother to read the link you posted, or do you not understand it?



It's already known that Apple has purchased the chips from Qualcomm, which has a proper licensing agreement with Samsung, which means this legal attempt is DOA in the USA which has a pretty clear stance, backed by legal precedent, on patent exhaustion.

LOL... I posted that link to show you that LTE is not Qualcomm's technology, something you claimed it was a few posts back.
Also, you appear to have memory problems. I just told you that the Samsung-Qualcomm deal is over. Even if Qualcomm was an intermediary, Apple might still have to pay the licensing fee to Samsung.

 

[Technarchy]

LOL... I posted that link to show you that LTE is not Qualcomm's technology, something you claimed it was a few posts back.
Also, you appear to have memory problems. I just told you that the Samsung-Qualcomm deal is over. Even if Qualcomm was an intermediary, Apple might still have to pay the licensing fee to Samsung.

What deal?

 

[2499723]

I was not entirely interested in the Samsung v Apple thing, as I originally thought that a lot of smart phones have tended to take on a similar design. That changed yesterday when I saw an iPhone 4 in someone's hands...and after two seconds realised it was a Samsung with a square home button. I have no clue what model it was, but then I thought: 'So this is what Apple was suing over!' Whether Samsung has a case this time around, I have no idea, but it seems an uphill battle - I suppose internal components and tech are a slightly different bag of tricks.

 

[lilo777]

It's already known that Apple has purchased the chips from Qualcomm, which has a proper licensing agreement with Samsung, which means this legal attempt is DOA in the USA which has a pretty clear stance, backed by legal precedent, on patent exhaustion.

The problem is that Qualcomm does not have a licensing agreement with Samsung. They had a gentleman’s agreement which Samsung dissolved in April 2011. Unlike Intel (Infineon baseband chips), Qualcomm definitely does not have a cross-licensing agreement with Samsung. So the situation is totally different.

 

[j4zb4]

And yet you have time to read this thread?



I don't love Koreans. I called you a Korean hater because you said all Koreans are copy cats.
I never said fabricating parts was being innovative. I said Samsung's fabrication technology is the reason why Apple continues to pick Samsung.
Also, what R&D are you talking about? You mean that non-existant R&D budget that Apple has compared to Samsung's monstrous $42 billion R&D budget for 2012? You Apple fans are unbelievable. I also read 1 week ago from an Apple fanboy that Samsung should pay up because Apple "spent billions developing touch to zoom." Man, my ribs still hurt from laughing so much. If you understand technology and engineering, you would appreciate just how innovative Samsung and LG are. Even Apple believes that. That's why they keep crawling back on all fours to Samsung and LG.
Apple does not innovate. They have good artists and they're good at designing eye-appealing devices, but when it comes to designing newer and more efficient technology and improving existing technology using new solutions, Samsung and LG are pretty much king.

You are completely crazy. You realize the amount of research thats required to be able to fab at 32nm let alone to produce OLED's, LCD, and many other things. Way more than it took for apple to figure out pinch to zoom or any of these other innovative things they keep bringing up.

I am not an Apple fanboy... Just a Samsung hater... As I said before... Samsung and the likes are banned from my home since the last 6-8 years... Thats way before this squabbling between the two became fanboy fodder... And it's not for the copying saga... They just lack basic business ethics is what I feel...

And yes I take deep offence on being branded as one...

Also I may not have indepth or expert knowledge on how R&D works... I do have some expertise in running a factory... Since I have been running one since the I passed out of a B-school 10 years ago... When a fabricating hardware company does R&D it is mainly to meet the vision, expectations and levels of the client... Many ideas originate from the client... Who ever it maybe... Samsung's expertise is in the IMPLEMENTATION... The innovation process is forced upon them... Yes Samsung is one of the best fabricators right now... I agree... But Samsung wouldn't know how to use their own innovation... Also Innovating an item and creating a package is vastly different... Creating packages is what companies like Apple, Nokia, etc. are doing very well... You guys are missing the main point I am trying to make and just resorting to name calling...

Of-course I am stupid to expect any better from kids on this forum...

I think I have said enough on this topic... And if you still fail to understand then I give up and you win...

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Just because some Apple fanbois say ridiculous stuff doesn't mean you should too.

R&D budget doesn't necessarily mean more or less innovation. It takes less money to innovate in some areas than others. Consider software versus hardware.

"crawling back on all fours?" Really? If you understand technology and engineering, you'd know that even Apple has had a huge part in engineering the technology we use today. To think that Samsung and LG are kings of technology is absurd and discounts so many more companies who are more deserving.

I'll nominate two that, comparatively, leave Apple, LG, and Samsung on the same level:
Toshiba and Qualcomm.

Thank-you.. That statement is what no one understands... And I now feel it is totaly futile...

 

[Oletros]

When a fabricating hardware company does R&D it is mainly to meet the vision, expectations and levels of the client... Many ideas originate from the client... Who ever it maybe... Samsung's expertise is in the IMPLEMENTATION... The innovation process is forced upon them... Yes Samsung is one of the best fabricators right now... I agree... But Samsung wouldn't know how to use their own innovation...

Also I may not have indepth or expert knowledge on how R&D works...

Yes, you don't have or you're blindled by your hate for Samsung

 

[Ryan John]

I'd still say iPhone 5 is slightly better than the SGSIII. Not by a lot, but it's still better nonetheless. SGSIII is pretty old in mobile tech world so it's expected.
I'm more interested in the lumia 920 and the optimus G.
The lumia 920 has some interesting features like, wireless charging, better camera than the iphone 5, and its high pixel density (332 ppi) on the 4.5" screen.

Oh please, think before you type.

Forget about the OS's and individual brand loyalty for a second. You're describing hardware that from a pure specification only point of view, is in most areas more powerful than that contained in the iPhone 5 as old. That statement just does not add up.

If the S3 was a year or two old then maybe. But for a phone that only hit the mainstream market 3 months ago that is a ridiculous observation. It's like saying your iPhone 5 will be old come mid December for goodness sake.

 

[Prallethrin]

i hate the fact that when i wake up every morning i see my 32inch samsung television. I hate it so much that I put black tape over the logo.

Should have bought a Sharp or a Panasonic.

 

[7709876]

What patents are specifically being infringed upon?

The wireless radio in the iPhone5 is square - the same shape as the one Samsung have a design patent on.

 

[johnnyinternets]

As I said before... Samsung and the likes are banned from my home since the last 6-8 years

It must really pain you then that most of the electronic products you bought in the last 6 - 8 years either directly or in-directly gave money to Samsung. Sucks to be you!!

Unless of course you live in a cave?

 

[kimvette]

Oh good grief, both sides should give it a rest.

Apple: a rounded rectangle is not an innovation. Sorry. Neither is swiping a touch screen.

Samsung: Doing "$FOO PRIOR ART" over "radio frequencies" is not innovative; it is merely a natural evolutionary step obvious to anyone skilled in the art. Cut the **** with these frivilous lawsuits.

Both sides are ridiculous.

 

[minderbinder106]

Samsung's 4G LTE patents.

This lawsuit has nothing to do with LTE patents, those will be a separate lawsuit. See post #57 for the list of the 2 3g patents and 6 utility patents involved with this case.

 

[rendevouspoo]

LOL... I love how Apple fanboys think Apple makes decisions to give you the best experience.

Nail in the coffin.

 

[JForestZ34]

Nail in the coffin.

I know right. Seems like all the fan boys think that apple is god and will never do wrong. To bad they don't really know how many ideas apple stole from other companies or inventors.

Gee I wonder how all the fans lived without the iPhones before. Guess what, we lived out lives just fine without an iPhone or iPad. Some people can be so spoiled on just a name


James

 

[samcraig]

Nail in the coffin.

Maps. Nuff said.

Not that I want to take this thread off topic.

Apple is a business. Their goal is to make money. As much of it as possible and to be as profitable as possible. The idea that they care more or less about a customer than another company is a testament to their marketing and PR. That doesn't mean they don't care about customer satisfaction. But most companies are. It's how you thrive as a business.

 

[unplugme71]

I don't know if your serious, but not even Apple can afford to write that check.

You must not be thinking of how much Samsung is involved in other markets beside phones.

I'm well aware of what Samsung does and makes. And I wasn't serious. But that's not to say that Apple can't at least buy a division of the company (eg. Memory chip manufacturing).

 

[G51989]

I'm well aware of what Samsung does and makes. And I wasn't serious. But that's not to say that Apple can't at least buy a division of the company (eg. Memory chip manufacturing).

you cant buy whats not for sale

 

[TheHateMachine]

I am not an Apple fanboy... Just a Samsung hater... As I said before... Samsung and the likes are banned from my home since the last 6-8 years...

Time to throw out your Apple products. From SOCs to memory modules... Samsung products are in all of them.

 

[adildacoolset]

If it is a cellular standard how come the iPhone 5 does NOT support all the LTE frequencies?

Kimbie

I meant that its a technology used across all devices.

 

[j4zb4]

It must really pain you then that most of the electronic products you bought in the last 6 - 8 years either directly or in-directly gave money to Samsung. Sucks to be you!!

Unless of course you live in a cave?

Buying directly from Samsung puts me at their after sales mercy... Which I would rather not be after 2-3 really bad experiences... If they have their parts in other products it really doesn't bother me... The company I bought the product from is to answer for it... Their headache then...

you cant buy whats not for sale

Hostile takeovers exist... But I still don't think it would be possible...

 

[GorgonPhone]

Following the mediocre iP5, SGIII is the best thing out. By far.

lol crack is whack.... more humans want iphone 5 than samsung anything.. FACT

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Oh RLY!?

http://www.diytrade.com/china/pd/48...mond_Gold_Antique_Half-flip_Mobile_Phone.html

I'd love to see a iPhone be dust water, and shock proof.

you can post what ever you want.. but get 100 random folks in a room and most will admit that they want an iPhone FACT

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What about the LG Optimus G?

I'd say it looks pretty neat.

yeah some look okay and are built okay but the iphone is the most beautiful and well built cell phone available.. samsung just does not care that much about stuff like that.. instead on making 1 phone great they make 20 phones okay...lol