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Samsung Requests to Add iPhone 5 to U.S. Patent Lawsuit

battlefieldfan2 said:
Unless you don't know, a lot of koreans hate Samsung.
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They don't care. It just sounds so cool to bash them online.

Much like the thread last year about all of the "foreigners" in lines to buy iPhone 4s phones. I have no issue with people pointing it out but it was darnright laughable hearing all of this chest-pounding and fake-USA crap that everyone with a brain knows would never be said to anyone in real life

Yeah for anonymity!
 
yup i saw this coming! The iPhone5 looks identical to the S3! Shame on you Apple for being the best!
 
Jsameds said:
Can't they all just get along? :(
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Sure, as long as they don't infringe each other's patents. What patents are Samsung suing over? Just knowing that Samsung is suing is useless information.

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G51989 said:
Isnt Apple suing over the same trvial crap stupid?
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We don't know that. We just know that Samsung is suing over "utility patents".
 
LTE ? oh come on... Samsung had LTE *before* Apple ?

Its mobile ... How many possible ways can you implement this ?

This is the first time i heard of this..

It makes news, after news headline when Apple files, but you only hear a peep when Apple infriges.

All in all, these cases keep going back and forth. Its feels more like a compotision than a lawsuit...

Samsungs infrigent over Aple prevoisly was not an "accident" I belieive, t was delibrate... They knew what they were doing, and if they didn't, they should have checked to make sure it was patented before preceeding.

The exceuse of ..." oh well..... we'll just do it anyway, and lets hope no-one notices." is serving a good reason.

Seems a lot of "mistakes" are happenig here
 
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entatlrg said:
.... with technology stolen from Japanese manufacturers.

Samsung and LG are cloning crooks with zero regard to business ethics. I avoid South Korean electronics for that reason.
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Everyone steals. Get over it.

These days, great ideas are of just reinvented great ideas. This applies to pretty much any industry.
 
rendevouspoo said:
Kind of like a rectangle with round corners?

And every smartphone made had LTE before Apple.
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Being first to have LTE is meaningless. Apple purposely waited to include LTE in the iPhone 5. The LTE mobile network infrastructure was not fully implemented or perfected. Also LTE is a significant drain on battery life. Apple wanted to give it's users the best possible user experience and the best battery life so they waited to perfect these technologies. A smart move. The fact that Apple was able to obtain certain patents that you consider frivolous can be blamed on the patent process. Apple was doing what was in their best interest, which is a simple and common business practice. Your hate is directed at a spurious target, namely Apple.
 
Tech198 said:
Not getting it.. Apple decided on this.. they didn't have to do round corners.

Thats different.
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Right... And Apple *didn't have* to implement LTE. They should just stick with 3g.

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janderson0719 said:
Everyone steals. Get over it.

These days, great ideas are of just reinvented great ideas. This applies to pretty much any industry.
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Just report him for lying and slandering and ignore him.
 
While trying to implement LTE, Apple lost universal iPhone implementation. Which is actually backward step.

Instead of designing with required 3 Antennae for Verizon/Sprint, Apple decided Verizon/Sprint customers can live without Voice+Data over LTE.

New Kindle HD 4G LTE has a single chip supporting 10 different LTE networks.
 
Technarchy said:
So what are the patents in question?
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Probably something regarding LTE (Which is not FRAND, so stop saying it is).

To my understanding, every smartphone vendor pays Samsung a fee for using LTE. Apple is the only one who doesn't.
Honestly, Apple needs to stop stealing Samsung's technology. Designing a rectangle with rounded corners is something a 2-year-old can do.
Making critical innovations in LTE, however, is well worth patenting and protecting. Apple is really a hypocrite. They claim that someone else making an electronic device in the form of a rectangle which took 0 ingenuity and $0 in R&D cost is considered copying and a threat to innovation everywhere, but when Samsung spends a shitton developing critical LTE technology, they think freeriding on Samsung's tech when everyone else is paying isn't a threat to innovation.
If Samsung gets the idea that people are allowed to steal their technology and not pay a fine, why would Samsung spend billions in R&D? What Apple is doing is a true threat to innovation.
 
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battlefieldfan2 said:
Probably something regarding LTE (Which is not FRAND, so stop saying it is).

To my understanding, every smartphone vendor pays Samsung a fee for using LTE. Apple is the only one who doesn't.
Honestly, Apple needs to stop stealing Samsung's technology. Designing a rectangle with rounded corners is something a 2-year-old can do.
Making critical innovations in LTE, however, is well worth patenting and protecting.
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Considering Apple's LTE tech is all Qualcomm, whatever mileage you are expecting, I wouldn't count on it.

Patent exhaustion will deal with this quick fast.
 
Technarchy said:
Considering Apple's LTE tech is all Qualcomm, whatever mileage you are expecting, I wouldn't count on it.

Patent exhaustion will deal with this quick fast.
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Samsung cut their deal with Qualcomm earlier this year. Apple isn't protected by the Qualcomm-Samsung agreement anymore.
 
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battlefieldfan2 said:
Probably something regarding LTE (Which is not FRAND, so stop saying it is).
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There are two standards essential patents in there, and six others which I doubt the get anywhere with.

http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/04/samsung-asserts-eight-more-patents.html

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battlefieldfan2 said:
4G LTE isn't Qualcomm's tech. Qualcomm makes hardware that's compatible with 3g or LTE because they license Samsung's LTE patents, but that doesn't mean the technology belongs to Qualcomm.
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No, but Qualcomm has payed a license to manufacture the LTE chips. LTE are standards essential patents, which means that they must be licensed under fair and non-discriminatory terms.
 
subsonix said:
There are two standards essential patents in there, and six others which I doubt the get anywhere with.

http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/04/samsung-asserts-eight-more-patents.html

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No, but Qualcomm has payed a license to manufacture the LTE chips. LTE are standards essential patents, which means that they must be licensed under fair and non-discriminatory terms.
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Right... and Apple refused to pay the fair and non-discriminatory fees. Once Samsung cut their deal with Qualcomm, Apple immediately went to Samsung to strike a deal. Apple refused the offer that the other vendors agreed on.
 
battlefieldfan2 said:
Right... and Apple refused to pay the fair and non-discriminatory fees.
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I believe the terms was was not fair, and non-discriminatory. Apple paid the fee when it was baked into the cost of the chip, like everybody else. Why did Samsung cancel the agreement with Qualcomm?
 
subsonix said:
I believe the terms was was not fair, and non-discriminatory. Apple paid the fee when it was baked into the cost of the chip, like everybody else. Why did Samsung cancel the agreement with Qualcomm?
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Samsung agreed to license its tech to Qualcomm as long as Samsung agreed not to sue Qualcomm's customers.
I'm sure Samsung got pissed with all the lawsuits from Apple.

Samsung still licenses its LTE tech to Qualcomm, but the part about not suing Qualcomm's customers are off.
 
battlefieldfan2 said:
Samsung agreed to license its tech to Qualcomm as long as Samsung agreed not to sue Qualcomm's customers.
I'm sure Samsung got pissed with all the lawsuits from Apple.
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Right, so this is a vendetta and not about infringement.

battlefieldfan2 said:
Samsung still licenses its LTE tech to Qualcomm, but the part about not suing Qualcomm's customers are off.
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That's not sleezy at all.
 
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