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Because apple has had issues in the past, doesn't make it okay that samsung had battery issues, nor does it diminish the severity of the way it was viewed in the world.Apple has had plenty of its own fire and shock hazard products in the past. Some took them years to acknowledge; others they never accepted responsibility for, and it required class actions to get them to do anything.
But okay, fair enough, you're saying that you think that if Apple had had the same battery problems as Samsung, they'd have done no deflection. Do you also think they'd have stopped selling that iPhone model and recall them all? Perhaps so. With iPhones being the majority revenue for Apple, that would've been a much bigger hit for Apple than it was for Samsung with one model out of dozens.
I'm hoping we'll never have to see this situation again. Hopefully every manufacturer is now going to do much more massive stress testing before launches. And certainly Samsung showed the way when it comes to rapid recalls once a problem is known.
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Here's my own question: if the battery really was the problem, then is it possible that Samsung could take the 3+ million Notes it recalled, give them a new battery, and sell them for a deal in developing countries? Or are they just going to recycle parts and write the loss off.
It takes courage to admit mistakes. Congratulations Samsung. I hope Apple can learn from this and start recalling their iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 s batteries due to the 30% shutdown failures.
Yes, we do want it 'cheap and fast', but having said that, we the consumers have no control over when products hit the shelves.I blame consumers. No seriously. We want it cheap and fast... result = companies will make them cheap and fast... result = poor quality control.
It doesn't mean that at all. Nobody tests phones for battery failures like this, certainly not on the scale that would've been necessary to find these relatively rare occurences ahead of time
Consumers do have some control. If someone invests effort in creating something new, but we go buy a cheap copy, they know not to bother investing next time. When we buy the cheaper, poorer made device, they learn not to bother making it better. What hits the shelves is based on what they anticipate consumers want based on previous demand.Yes, we do want it 'cheap and fast', but having said that, we the consumers have no control over when products hit the shelves.
In the end it's the manufacturers who control release dates, and who cut corners in order to gain marketshare by beating the competition to market. It's hard to blame consumers for manufacturer's greed.
Reading through this thread, you edited the above post I responded to in post #31 AFTER the fact for reference. If your going to quote me on something your disputing, back it up with facts without scrambling to edit your post. It doesn't look good and it's clear you second guessed yourself. Appears others would agree.
Some handsets were also missing insulation tape. For those interested, the company also released an infographic explaining the findings in more detail.
... suggesting Samsung is being careful not to put itself under undue pressure for its comeback after last year's Note7 debacle, which was said to be a result of the company trying to beat Apple's iPhone 7 to market.
And what region would that be? Monaco, bell air? Samsung are never the cheapest of products.. there's always some unknown white goods on offer, everywhere...
Doubtful - just looking at their secretive behavior.
I'm not a Galaxy fan, never owned one, but kudos to Samsung to doing the right thing, and pulling out all the stops. I think this a nice step in the right direction to rebuilding their reputation.
So the very discussion that was meant to "prove" Samsung didn't rush, seems to be indicating they did rush:Hmmm...still conveniently blaming the battery manufacturer instead of admission that its engineering decisions also contributed to the overall fault?
Examples:
Chassis Space for Battery Dimension, Clearance between Battery and Chassis/other Components
With stuff like this, Apple is very open. They are not open about upcoming products. Two very different things.
Easy, tough guy... you prefer that they not say or do anything at all?Haha, big boy pants indeed! Obfuscating the situation by referring to their first battery supplier as "Manufacturer A" instead of SAMSUNG SDI !
Too funny!
Easy, tough guy... you prefer that they not say or do anything at all?
Soooo... you want what I want.No. I prefer honesty and transparency.
Soooo... you want what I want.
I'm sure this made sense in your head. Something got lost between your head and the interwebs. What exactly are you trying to say?
I'm looking forward for the S8 to come out, should be a real nice phone as Samsung has alot of ground to cover. I'm personally getting bored and tired of my 7 plus and that no headphone jack is still rubbing me the wrong way. I just hope Samsung keeps the headphone jack, although I am reading rumors that it might be gone too.![]()
You're convinced that I don't want transparency from these manufacturers. Interesting.Apparently, not. Seems you were not bothered by Samsung obfuscating their report by hiding and labeling the original Note 7 battery manufacturer as "Manufacturer A" instead of "SAMSUNG SDI."
That is neither honest or transparent.
Because apple has had issues in the past, doesn't make it okay that samsung had battery issues,
As far as what apple would have done in the same situation, we will have to wait to find out.
As far as the percentage hit, of course when the revenue for the iphone is in the tens of billions the percentage hit is big, but how many phones that samsung makes actually make any money given it is estimated apple garners 94% of the overall smartphone revenue?
However apple has other related (ecosystem) revenue and samsung has a virtual PR issue on it's hands(IMO) with it's washing machine recalls coupled with note recalls. And this is not to say, apple could have handled some product issues better.
Lots of Samsung shills out today somehow praising them and criticising Apple over this? What the?..,,
Actually the discussion is "Samsung reveals results of note investigation".Strawman. Nobody said it does.
The discussion was about what Apple would do. The point that you're trying so hard to avoid, is that Apple has a history of deflecting or hushing its own fire and shock hazards, often by ignoring reported problems for years.
As I said, I hope they never have to for the same situation. But certainly Samsung has shown how speedy it can be done. And to get 96% recall compliance is astonishing.
I believe that Samsung has always had more smartphone revenue than Apple. Perhaps you meant profit instead.
For the past year or two, Apple usually has 60% of the smartphone profit, and Samsung has 30%. Apple only got 90% right now because of the Note 7 recall.
Samsung Electronics lost all their smartphone profits this past quarter and STILL made more profit overall than last year, due to their other service divisions taking up the slack.
Apple has become mostly reliant on iPhone profits. If they had to recall an iPhone, they'd lose over 50%. No way would their "other revenue" make up for that. Heck, they can't even match their last year's profit even while selling iPhones right now.
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I think you're confusing debate over Apple fan comments, with criticism of Apple.
Hint: fans are not Apple![]()
With iOS App Store profits approaching one trillion, it's clear other sources of revenue exist even though iPhone sales can fluctuate.
I believe that Samsung has always had more smartphone revenue than Apple. Perhaps you meant profit instead.
For the past year or two, Apple usually has 60% of the smartphone profit, and Samsung has 30%. Apple only got 90% right now because of the Note 7 recall.