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i dont think move to RAW on smartphones will suddenly make them better. it would be a welcome feature, but you're still going to run into the same issues of small sensor size, terrible (relative to SLR) lens setups and a lack of manual control over the photography triumvirate. (Aperture, Shutter, ISO)

Agreed - though I do think being able to better control shadows, midrange and highlights with more precision (alone) would help.

It would be a welcome feature like you said.
 
...unless they buy them... LOL.

Apple has to be selective in which apps they buy..ultimately its not their job really to tinker around with apps unless its extremely important to iOS..Apple's job for the default camera app is to make it as user freindly and easy to use for your average iPhone user. Leave all the crazy and technical stuff (niche) for the development world. This is why i think comments about "apple should have bought whatsapp" are quite unimportant, because its really not apple's core business.
 
Apple has to be selective in which apps they buy..ultimately its not their job really to tinker around with apps unless its extremely important to iOS..Apple's job for the default camera app is to make it as user freindly and easy to use for your average iPhone user. Leave all the crazy and technical stuff (niche) for the development world. This is why i think comments about "apple should have bought whatsapp" are quite unimportant, because its really not apple's core business.

I am definitely not in the camp of "Apple should just buy them"

I was saying that tongue in cheek.
 
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Samsung today revealed its next-generation Galaxy S5 flagship phone at its Unpacked 5 event at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, Spain. As rumored, the 5.1-inch Galaxy S5 includes a fingerprint sensor built into the device's home button, mirroring Apple's own Touch ID introduced with the iPhone 5s.

Unlike Touch ID, which utilizes a round home button that captures a motionless fingerprint, Samsung's sensor is activated using a swiping motion that scans the finger from base to tip as the phone utilizes a rectangular home button. SlashGear has a demonstration of the fingerprint scanner.

YouTube: video
Design-wise, the polycarbonate Samsung Galaxy S5 looks similar to previous models, though it has a unique soft-touch textured backing, a water resistant casing, and it comes in both blue and copper gold along with black and white.

The 5.1-inch Super AMOLED display features a resolution of 1920 x 1080 and the phone offers a 2.5GHz quad core processor with 2GB of memory. It runs Android KitKat 4.4.2 and includes an upgraded 16-megapixel camera with quick autofocus and real-time HDR. It has a 20 percent better battery life than the previous generation phone and includes a built-in power saving mode that will activate a black and white display with limited app access when the battery is low.

Taking a cue from Apple's reported interest in health-related applications, Samsung has included a heart rate sensor next to the camera's flash, able to measure heart rate with a finger on the sensor. The heart rate sensor accompanies the standard accelerometer, gyroscope, proximity sensor, compass and an IR-based gesture sensor.

Samsung's Galaxy S5 is also designed to work with a new fitness device, the Gear Fit, which accompanies Samsung's recently revealed Gear 2 and Gear 2 Neo smart watches. The Gear Fit is smaller than Samsung's other offerings and focuses on measuring heart rate and counting steps. It incorporates an AMOLED touchscreen panel and offers smartphone notifications and alerts, but it does not include a camera, a microphone, or a speaker.

The Galaxy S5 and the Gear Fit will both be released in April, but Samsung has yet to announce pricing.

Article Link: Samsung Reveals Galaxy S5 With Home Button Fingerprint Sensor, Accompanying 'Gear Fit' Band

Love it, my next phone will be a S5 instead 5S, tobe serious i need what S5 does!
 
I wouldn't say it failed, it works. Might work differently than the 5s, but it works. We are tech people. We happen to like Apple for our computers or phones, but why do we have to deride anything thats not Apple, even when the bring out some nice tech. The Gear Fit is also a nice bit of kit.

I'm not against it because it's non-Apple, I'm against it because it's pretty much more of the same, especially from Samsung. Just another feature implemented to have one more checkbox filled in on the marketing materials. Just because the S5's fingerprint sensor is integrated into the home button doesn't mean that it's even remotely as practical to use as the fingerprint sensor in the 5s.

In that regard, Samsung failed in making biometric security usable. Some people will use it, but it will be a hassle to always hold your phone with two hands (maybe Android users are used to this already?) and swipe downward with your finger, so most people won't bother activating it, leading to even more and fancier unsecured phones.
 
I'm guessing you just clicked and wanted to post your reply. Because much like what you're accusing Samsung of - you've now just done. Copied SOOOO many people before you ;) Teasing - but seriously - this comment has been made quite often in this thread. I'd love to read something more original..

So tell me - do you not find a heart sensor in a phone new? How about one-click child "section" on a phone. What about water resistance? What about a secured photo section? What about an extreme battery saver mode?

I guess we see what we want to see and then bury our heads in the sand for everything else...

If you participate in a discussion it's pretty impossible to not say stuff that has been said already. But if you think that it's comparable to copy the way Samsung does, to repeat something in a thread, you're way out of my league.

And if you re-read my comment I didn't say the stuff you mentioned is not good - but does it make up for copying other particular features or design choices, just to not miss out? Come on - their finger print reader looks terrible in the first-hands videos and is only add'ed in the current shape because they wanted Apple to miss out on a unique feature.

And no - the software features you mention with Child mode, secure photo section and more doesn appeal to me. The heart rate sensor is something I want in my running watch - not my phone.

Water proof is pretty amazing though (not new - Sony did it way before) and really something I hope is getting more and more normal in the market space. Not to go swimming with my phone, but to be able to film 120fps videos while snowboarding is a pretty fantastic feature.

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I don't get why they made the phone bigger they are just getting hammered in the tech community for that?

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Apple was the first to launch the color gold globally
Apple was the first to a fingerprint scanner successfully

You don't get credit getting halfway to the moon you have to reach the moon

Exactly my point. Samsung might be "FIRST!!!11!!" to a couple of features JUST to do it (Samsung Gear?! Come on it sucked and got trashed in the reviews but they absolutely wanted to beat Apple to the market with it)...

It's not to be first that matters - It's to be best, innovative and original. Samsung def. aren't any of those. I don't hate anything but Apple, but simply can't see why people choose their cheap plastic crap instead of the nice Sony's, HTC's and such.
 
Water proof is pretty amazing though (not new - Sony did it way before) and really something I hope is getting more and more normal in the market space. Not to go swimming with my phone, but to be able to film 120fps videos while snowboarding is a pretty fantastic feature.

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Exactly my point. Samsung might be "FIRST!!!11!!" to a couple of features JUST to do it (Samsung Gear?! Come on it sucked and got trashed in the reviews but they absolutely wanted to beat Apple to the market with it)...

It's not to be first that matters - It's to be best, innovative and original. Samsung def. aren't any of those. I don't hate anything but Apple, but simply can't see why people choose their cheap plastic crap instead of the nice Sony's, HTC's and such.

GS5 is water resistant (Z2 is water proof)..I suppose the F varient may come in as a full water proof version as samsung tries to further distance itself..The way their flagship lines are going..April : Flagship S5...June: Flagship F..October : Flagship Note4..

Samsung wants to throw everything and the kitchen sink into the market...Thats been their MO..Health is again gaining traction with apple and google taking it seriously...Lets throw a bunch of devices at the consumer even if that involves doing a total flip flop on a 300 dollar wearable that they sold just 5 months ago (changing the OS)..One goes to samsung for the ability to choose from a seemingly endless selection of devices..not for looking at one perfectly engineered device that tries to peg itself as the king of form and function...Aesthetically HTC is no1 in the android domain, and many feel that their software on top of android is much closer to what android itself would like compared to touchwiz and its 8 GB of bloat.

It's not to be first that matters - It's to be best, innovative and original.

But thats not the way samsung does it..The japanese know this and have had expereinced this over the years. Samsung looks at what the industry is doing, and tries to replcate that using its enormous industrial machine..Apple and google are driving innovations in smartphones..samsung is piggy backing on google and closely implementing what both google and apple are looking to do.
 
Oh yeah totally. Apple invented the color gold and biometric finger print scanners... :roll eyes:

I love my Apple stuff as much as the next, but let's accept facts here...

Finger print scanners on mobile devices have been around for a while before the 5s. Apple just happened to do it better then the others. The same can be said for a lot of Apple products. I don't care who does it first. Just do it right.

I don't think people really understand how the world works.

X technology is invented by scientists, inventors, innovators.

Nobody knows how to use X technology until Y company perfects it. This is called applied science, i.e. engineering, design.

ABCDEFGHIJKLMN companies copy said approach.

When we talk about everyone copying Apple, it's like everyone's copying the trend maker.

Apple's the trend maker, they've never in my opinion ever been a "inventor" or heavy into scientific research.

Apple is an engineering company, it's applied science, not science.

Everyone could've made the bubble colored iMacs Apple did, the technology was there. Everyone could've made gorilla glass hardened glass, the technology was LITERALLY sitting there at Corning until Mr. Jobs came down and told them to build a bazillion of them.
 
That would be awesome, so you can continue to be irressponsible with your phone and is doesn't cost you anything to replace.

Dude just work to keep your phone from getting wet.

Dude, accidents happen. Meeting IP67 is a positive feature.
 
Just wanted to say Mac Rumors:

Taking a cue from Apple's reported interest in health-related applications, Samsung has included a heart rate sensor next to the camera's flash, able to measure heart rate with a finger on the sensor. The heart rate sensor accompanies the standard accelerometer, gyroscope, proximity sensor, compass and an IR-based gesture sensor.

Is pure flaimbait trolling IMO. You are too accusing Samsung of copying an Apple RUMOUR, and choosing to selectively ignore, forget, all those OTHER devices that can monitor health.
And all the other sensors are an industry standard and I don't see the need to include them in your same sentence.

I 100% guarantee that feature would not have been included, had it not been an Apple rumour
 
You can buy a 64GB Micro SD Card for £30.

Roughly 1 hours recording at 4K will take up 22GB.

With my camera HD video maxes out at 29 minutes regardless of whether I install a 4GB card or a 32GB one. There is a file size limit imposed by the device. I think a device advertising 4K capability would have a higher limit, but I wouldn't count on it.
 
I'm not against it because it's non-Apple, I'm against it because it's pretty much more of the same, especially from Samsung. Just another feature implemented to have one more checkbox filled in on the marketing materials. Just because the S5's fingerprint sensor is integrated into the home button doesn't mean that it's even remotely as practical to use as the fingerprint sensor in the 5s.

In that regard, Samsung failed in making biometric security usable. Some people will use it, but it will be a hassle to always hold your phone with two hands (maybe Android users are used to this already?) and swipe downward with your finger, so most people won't bother activating it, leading to even more and fancier unsecured phones.

Why can't you unlock with finger scanner with swipe of your thumb holding it one handed? How do you come to this very naive conclusion? Just because you saw some videos with people doing it with 2 hands and assume that is the only way to do it.

Search for it and you will find that it is possible and as easy to unlock with a swipe of the thumb holding the phone one-handed.
 
Why can't you unlock with finger scanner with swipe of your thumb holding it one handed? How do you come to this very naive conclusion?

I guess the actual reviewers who tested the actual device and came to this conclusion are naive too?
 
Not the reviewers since I can't read their minds tell whether they thought it can't be done using thumb.

Fortunately you don't have to read their minds at all, since they actually wrote it:

Samsung’s version requires a vertical swipe over the home button to activate the scanner, and we found it to be quite unreliable and virtually impossible to activate when holding the phone in one hand

(Emphasis mine.)

http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/24/5441668/samsung-galaxy-s5-announcement-launch
 
Fortunately you don't have to read their minds at all, since they actually wrote it:



(Emphasis mine.)

http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/24/5441668/samsung-galaxy-s5-announcement-launch

One can take any 5 inch phone and try to hold it with one hand and do a consistent straight swipe from the bottom of the screen to over the home button and its going to be very tough to do it repeatedly and with high degree of stability and accuracy. Add a heavy, bulky case (as most do to their 5 inch phones) and it will only get harder. I guess one could do it if one wanted to prove a point just as one could type a 200 word email with one hand on a 5.7 inch phone if one were to bet on it ;)..but it won't exactly be comfortable which would hinder widespread adoption of such a method of unlocking the phone (i.e. to use one hand to both hold the phone and unlock it)..
 
Not the reviewers since I can't read their minds tell whether they thought it can't be done using thumb. But I can surely say about the poster who posted that conclusion. See the following to dispel that naive conclusion:-

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s5-fingerprint-scanner-reader,26135.html

It's quite easy to understand that a swipe movement while keeping a 5+" smartphone with a single hand is not easy nor comfortable .... especially near to the bottom edge of the device ....
 
Sure, if you trained it by holding the phone in one hand and swiping vertically downward with the thumb from the other hand, then it won't be easy to duplicate that same feat while holding it with one hand.

Reportedly though, if you train the phone with your thumb while holding it in one hand to start with, it'll work.

We'll know for sure once more people get one to play with.
 
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