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Hard to say. I don’t think anyone at Apple expected it to catch the world by storm like iPhone did. Or become a status symbol like AirPods did. It couldn’t; it’s in your home, so you can’t really flaunt it.

I also don’t think they were under the illusion they would have the same unit sales as Amazon Echo. Do they really need them, though? What’s wrong with Apple just making a nice speaker? Why isn’t Apple allowed to make a product that is just… fine, and not the next huge smash hit?

I actually like the HomePod. Decent speaker to quickly connect to, though still too expensive.
 
“They will soon.” They don’t now, so what makes you think they will later?


Because they always have. When have apps been ready right out of the gate for iPhone changes? It took some apps forever to compensate for the larger screens several years ago, or the iPad Pro's rounded corners.
 
Because they always have. When have apps been ready right out of the gate for iPhone changes? It took some apps forever to compensate for the larger screens several years ago, or the iPad Pro's rounded corners.

They “always” have? So now you’re resorting to outright lies?
 
Because they always have. When have apps been ready right out of the gate for iPhone changes?

A ton of apps were ready on day one of the App Store launching, and likewise, a lot of apps are ready to take advantage of SDK changes. That's why Apple is always on the schedule of previewing those changes in June, giving developers about three months to adjust (about four for macOS).
 
They “always” have? So now you’re resorting to outright lies?

Yes, most of the major players (and lots of minor ones) have always supported new Samsung devices. You don't survive in an app store if you don't support new devices, especially a huge vendor like Samsung.

Seriously, what is your problem with Samsung? Don't forget, they make most of Apple's parts.
 
Yes, most of the major players (and lots of minor ones) have always supported new Samsung devices. You don't survive in an app store if you don't support new devices, especially a huge vendor like Samsung.

Seriously, what is your problem with Samsung? Don't forget, they make most of Apple's parts.

No problem with Samsung. Just a problem with people making blanket statements that simply aren’t true.
 
Nothing I said was false. Samsung phones are supported - majorly.
Your statement that Samsung devices "always" get updated is a straight up lie. It's so ridiculous I have trouble believing someone could actually type that out and hit "post".

Question. Do you think that nobody else here owns or has used Android or Samsung devices in the past? That you can make blanket statements that others know to be false?
 
They've moved away from that screen protector monstrosity I assume.
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This is why Apple takes their time before releasing something so radical.

“We don’t ship junk” - Steve Jobs

They put out a workstation Mac shaped like a trashcan that had cooling problems that they couldn't ever update. They eventually admitted that but only after shipping probably the least reliable notebook keyboard of all time.

It was probably true when Jobs said it, these days not so much. They wouldn't put out anything radical in terms of smartphone design though you're right there.
 
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Ah, yes. The typical excuse when one has no actual argument. Claim the other person is an Apple fanboy or "Apple blind".

Sorry for the butt in.. can I just ask a question... Why can't you just wish the best for Samsung for their endeavor. I'm sure Samsung has not done any harm to you personally that they deserve your hatred. Well if you really hate Samsung for no reason at all then I guess it is safe to say you are acting like a fanboy. No insult or disrespect intended, just an observation.
 
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Censorship at its finest. They are not ignorant to the fact that obtuse apologists are everywhere.
 
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While I wouldn't call it useless you make a good point regarding developers.

Software is often an ignored point in looking at devices in a holistic fashion.

A device like this points to the future, but like Steve said a while back: those who are serious about hardware must create their own software (or something like that).

Sammy would need to do a lot of custom platform work at the software level AND make sure devs out there are committed to using it.

I don't think iOS is the best platform for a few things (their Mail app is my pet peeve), but it is certainly one of, if not the best when it comes to the integration of hardware and software as well as dev commitment to the platform.

When it comes to software there is not so much you need to do. If you have ever tried developing software for Android, the SDK allows you to make your app adapt to different screen sizes or orientation with very little coding or sometimes no coding at all. Understanding that Android OS will be deployed to different manufacturer which means different screen sizes I believe they also develop the SDK to flawlessly handle this kind of problem and for me they did it very well. You can practically create a specific layout for all different screen sizes for each orientation with no or little coding at all. If you want you can even set it up so that your app will only install to tablet screen sizes making it unavailable to phone screen sizes devices. I'm not sure about iOS SDK if it has this kind of feature, I think not because developer are expected to have a definite screen sizes to work with. I guess that's one reason why they need to create iPadOS because apps are not able to adapt from phone size screen to tablet size screen.

This device is a failure for two reasons:
  • Android tablets are useless and unsupported devices.

You completely missed my original point. Samsung has SDKs for various features so App developers can make their Apps work with them. Do all camera Apps automatically work with the new S-Pen remote features on your Note 10? No, because Samsung has an SDK developers can use to incorporate that functionality. Likewise with the Fold Samsung has an SDK developers can use to make sure Apps work properly (for example, transitioning from folded to unfolded and to make use of the extra/odd screen size).

Not sure how you can claim developers are going to start modifying their Apps when A) a large number already ignore Samsung SDKs to make their Apps work for specific features and B) developers can't even be bothered to optimize their Apps for tablets right now, and the Fold will sell a tiny fraction of the Android tablet market.

Wew.. hehe... you really dont know what you are saying :)

One, Android is just as good as iOS, just different. Get over it, that doesn't play anymore.

And two, odd, I have a Note 10+ in my hand right now, and I have not yet seen an app that doesn't support its new screen layout (e.g., smaller camera hole). And a Note 9, plus every iPhone since 2008, so I can compare both platforms easily, without bias. And both are good. This "Samsung is inferior" talk is just nonsense.

I guess it makes a lot of sense to fanboys :p
 
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Hoping this works for them. It’s nice they are pushing the boundaries and not playing safe. That’s how technology develops.
 
Are you serious? HomePod is one of the best products that Apple has released in the past 10 years, right up there with the AirPods.
The market doesn't agree, I think it's at like 4% or so? Even after they had it on constant sale throughout the holiday.

Hardly a hit
 
The market doesn't agree, I think it's at like 4% or so? Even after they had it on constant sale throughout the holiday.

Hardly a hit

Why does it need to be a hit?

This is a Samsung thread; there are a ton of Samsung products that aren't a "hit". But people buy them. And they work fine. Just like HomePods.
 
Mr:<LOL> "So much hate"
Mrs: <Grinning> "Well, it's a Samsung product. What do you expect? I would like an iPhone version though with Pencil support.
Mr: "Yeah. Would't mind a Note version with DeX either"
Mrs: <LOL> "You and your SPen and DeX" <roll eyes>

Sometimes (well, most of the times, actually) is so exciting living in a multiple platforms household.
 
Your statement that Samsung devices "always" get updated is a straight up lie. It's so ridiculous I have trouble believing someone could actually type that out and hit "post".

Question. Do you think that nobody else here owns or has used Android or Samsung devices in the past? That you can make blanket statements that others know to be false?

Yeah, the biggest Android phone maker outside of China doesn't get supported by a app makers. 22 percent worldwide market share. OK. Sure. Huh huh.
 
Yes, most of the major players (and lots of minor ones) have always supported new Samsung devices. You don't survive in an app store if you don't support new devices, especially a huge vendor like Samsung.

Seriously, what is your problem with Samsung? Don't forget, they make most of Apple's parts.

I don't know what point you're making here.

That a lot of third parties support Samsung-specific APIs? I don't believe that's true. I would wager that apps that support Apple Pencil are far more popular/widespread than ones that support S Pen.

That a lot of third parties make sure their apps work on Samsung phones? Sure, I guess. Makes sense; they sell a lot.

That Samsung phone tend to get the newest Android? Well, 20% of Samsung's portfolio is updated to the 12-month-old Android version. (Yes, yes, older Android versions still get plenty of updates, and you may be lucky to get one on your Samsung phone as well. That helps, but it's not really the point.)
 
Not sure I understand. You refuse to name the product but claim it was on the front page of MR?

Why can’t you just simply say: “It was the xxxx.”?
I didn’t refuse anything. How about you do a search about iPhone iPhone exploding and MacBook Pro 2015 banned
 
wonder how it's going to be received. My guess is the majority of people will be wary of buying this considering what happened the first time around.
 
I think you misunderstood what i was saying. I was saying that some iphone had exploded.

Way back in this thread @XXPP Said:
Did Apple have to discontinue the entire production of some model because the CONSTRUCTION caused problems with the battery? Apple, like any company, sometimes has a problem with a batch of batteries bought from an external manufacturer.
You replied:
The fact that it did happened...
So, I'm waiting for you to show me which product Apple had to discontinue.


As to your comment that Apple has had some iPhone batteries explode, so what? Lithium batteries can catch fire and in some cases explode.
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Yeah, the biggest Android phone maker outside of China doesn't get supported by a app makers. 22 percent worldwide market share. OK. Sure. Huh huh.
Galaxy Edge SDK, Samsung Professional Audio SDK, Tizen smartwatches. Just a couple examples off the top of my head that are lacking in support (and one outright failure).
 
Way back in this thread @XXPP Said:

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So, I'm waiting for you to show me which product Apple had to discontinue.


As to your comment that Apple has had some iPhone batteries explode, so what? Lithium batteries can catch fire and in some cases explode.
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Galaxy Edge SDK, Samsung Professional Audio SDK, Tizen smartwatches. Just a couple examples off the top of my head that are lacking in support (and one outright failure).
lol failure...right
 
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