Samsung Said to Follow Apple's Lead with Fingerprint Sensor, No Iris Scanner in Galaxy S5

[Mago]

Not really... you still need a passcode to use TouchID.

So would you consider a passcode to be just a security gimmick? Of course not.

TouchID is simply a shortcut to bypass your passcode. It allows YOU to open your phone easily. Anyone other than you would still need to know your passcode.

The passcode is still the basis of iPhone security.

If you configure touchID you can unlock the phone with the Owner Finger, that's all its "security", only after N hours w/o unlocking it ask for passcode...

Its LAME.

Android also have some similar "smart" solutions, as unlock(or lowered security) on certain networks/bluetooth connection, but hard security on other unsecure areas, its the same as to disable passcode with some iBeacon (feature not implemented yet, but will not surprise if part of iOS 7.1/8).

I'm using a Samsung Note 2 now, and I must to say It's my last SAMSUNG (maybe not my last Android), If Apple does Offer Enhaced security mode with FP and Pascode (both at the same time) plus iBeacon for only FP unlock, OK, I'll get an iPhone 6 (if comes with a 5"screen too), but seems I'll move to Blackberry and its not so shinny but solid Q10 as smartphone and some mini-tablet (iOS/Android) as bag complement when I need more functionality on the road, I'm also consider the Sony Xperia Line, WaterProff, beautiful and powerful, just need a bit more of refinement on software side.

 

[jeffe]

I like competition, I like certain things that Android manufacturers do, less so Samsung but the HTC One is a gorgeous phone and the Nexus 4 and 5 are both outstanding value for money, but its things like this, like that internal Samsung document that leaked showing Samsung trying to make their user experience more iPhone-like that REALLY hacks me off.

Better to not get too upset over these things. It's the nature of the industry and Apple has heavily borrowed both ideas and design from it's competitors too.

 

[Michael Scrip]

If you configure touchID you can unlock the phone with the Owner Finger, that's all its "security", only after N hours w/o unlocking it ask for passcode...

Its LAME.

It's no different than if the thief forces the owner to type in their passcode before they steal it.

Both methods... fingerprint and passcode... can be easily defeated if you point a gun at the owner.

That doesn't make it lame though. Anything can be unlocked if you have the keys.

A thief can force a homeowner to unlock their house too... but that doesn't make deadbolts lame.

 

[dec.]

I wish I was kidding about the "rectangle thing"

as I said, Apple's August 2010 presentation to Samsung and the courts outlining the patents that Apple was intended to sue samsung over included many interesting patents that are not necessarily well known, that date back to the 80's and 90's.

And one of them, I wish this was a joke, but it is serious:
US 5,455,599 (grafport) "Object-Oriented Graphic System"



Examples Apple used of violation of this patent in their filing



so yeah, Apple has absolutely patented somehow, and have for decades now tried to enforce that they are the owners of drawing rectangles and other **** on the screen.


they also claim to own "scheduling" in a calender and the ability to use translucent items on a display

its an amusing read if you have the time. I'll admit, I dont understand every single patent and their description as many are definitely over my education level.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/102595858/Apple-s-August-2010-presentation-to-Samsung-on-iPhone-patents

Which in short means that Apple has not "patented the rectangular and rounded corners". Thanks for the clarification, you might want to educate some "fandroids" (that's just "in jest", of course ) about that. Thanks!

 

[Mago]

It's no different than if the thief forces the owner to type in their passcode before they steal it.

Both methods... fingerprint and passcode... can be easily defeated if you point a gun at the owner.

That doesn't make it lame though. Anything can be unlocked if you have the keys.

A thief can force a homeowner to unlock their house too... but that doesn't make deadbolts lame.

Not the case if the owner sleeps or is hogtied, that's is the case ( as some zealous wife do when her husband sleeps -actual case-).

If you Sleep/hogtied, you cant provide passcode w/o your will.

 

[Michael Scrip]

Not the case if the owner sleeps or is hogtied, that's is the case ( as some zealous wife do when her husband sleeps -actual case-).

If you Sleep/hogtied, you cant provide passcode w/o your will.

Yes... if the owner is unconscious... you can't get their passcode.

My point was... there are other layers of security in place besides TouchID.

The phone will be rendered unusable if you enter the wrong passcode too many times. The passcode is still the biggest obstacle.

 

[the8thark]

My Note 3 is soooo brilliant.

I sense the sarcasm there. And your loss if you actually bought one of those.

 

[Mago]

Yes... if the owner is unconscious... you can't get their passcode.

My point was... there are other layers of security in place besides TouchID.

The phone will be rendered unusable if you enter the wrong passcode too many times. The passcode is still the biggest obstacle.

As currently implemented, if you choose TouchID, after 3hr (+o- i'm not sure) if you don't unlocked it with touchID, then will ask your passcode, its the only case where you'll be asked your passcode to unlock w/touchID (o.c. passcode is rq to change some settings, it's not what worries now)..

An Really safe implementation of touch ID must be: Always Ask both a short passcode (4 digit at least) and check touchID to unlock, after N failures, ask for LONG passcode (10 digit) or request remote unlock thru iCloud.

An exception could be made using iBeacons to define "safe" zones with relaxed security (as no-lock or only touch ID) as currently is implemented on some android devices where when identify a safe zone, switch security settings to lower or none.

 

[IGregory]

5s ... S5

Sammy is just following their normal sequential naming order. Furthermore, you left off iPhone 5s and Galaxy S5. There is no mistaking the two.

 

[kdarling]

I like competition, I like certain things that Android manufacturers do, less so Samsung but the HTC One is a gorgeous phone and the Nexus 4 and 5 are both outstanding value for money, but its things like this, like that internal Samsung document that leaked showing Samsung trying to make their user experience more iPhone-like that REALLY hacks me off.

If you got really hacked off about that UI comparison document, then you must be like everyone else who brings it up. That is, you did not read it.

It was not about copying Apple directly. It even said that some things should be changed so they looked LESS like Apple's design choices (even though Apple's choices were hardly original).

It was about improving the user experience, and used the iPhone for examples, but not as what to copy. In other words, the document often pointed out that the iPhone had slicker buttons or better sounds, and suggested that Samsung's developers should strive to come up with similar "fun" effects.

I always try to do my own research instead of trusting clickbait sources. So for fun, I went through the entire 2010 document one Saturday morning, and checked each of the 126 pages of suggestions.

• 60 suggestions were not implemented at all
• 20 were implemented, but were common phone items
• 14 were related to Kies/iTunes and I do not use Kies
• 11 were directly "copied" into the S2/S3

The phone related items that were directly copied were:

1. Show Bluetooth connection type (keyboard, headphone) in BT menu
2. Make URLs, phone numbers, email addresses in documents actionable (*)
3. End Call button should be larger (not done in S2)
4. Double-tap shift key stays in uppercase mode
5. Long press on key gives alternate language characters
6. Add zoom in/out to email viewer
7. Add camera button to message editor
8. Easier switch between photo or videocam
9. Add pin-drop effect on maps
10. Use timewheel instead of buttons (Android often has both)
11. Show microphone instead of old reel-to-reel recorder

Not exactly earth shattering stuff, and not all (or even most) were invented by Apple.

(*) Subject of a patent fight

 

[Michael Scrip]

As currently implemented, if you choose TouchID, after 3hr (+o- i'm not sure) if you don't unlocked it with touchID, then will ask your passcode, its the only case where you'll be asked your passcode to unlock w/touchID (o.c. passcode is rq to change some settings, it's not what worries now)..

I've never heard of any TouchID time-limit.

I use TouchID and it asks for my fingerprint every time I unlock my phone. That's how fingerprint scanners are supposed to work.

An Really safe implementation of touch ID must be: Always Ask both a short passcode (4 digit at least) and check touchID to unlock, after N failures, ask for LONG passcode (10 digit) or request remote unlock thru iCloud.

Like I said earlier... TouchID is a shortcut to bypass the passcode. Your phone unlocks for you... but for everyone else it's still locked behind the passcode.

The passcode is still the main line of defense.

If the thief doesn't have me, my finger or my passcode... it will be very difficult to unlock my phone. That's the point of all of this.

If my phone gets stolen out of my car... they can't cut off my finger or ask me for my passcode. That's a HUGE roadblock right there. And they only have 10 chances to guess my passcode before the phone gets erased.

If the phone is erased... they would need my long iTunes password if they ever want to re-activate the phone to sell it or whatever.

Or if they did manage to guess my passcode... they still need my iTunes password to turn off Find My iPhone or else I will nuke the phone remotely... rendering it unusable.

That's quite a challenge for would-be iPhone thieves...

Of course if I'm being held at gunpoint... all bets are off. But that is true of any phone.

An exception could be made using iBeacons to define "safe" zones with relaxed security (as no-lock or only touch ID) as currently is implemented on some android devices where when identify a safe zone, switch security settings to lower or none.

Yeah location awareness would be cool.

Then again... your fingerprint is the identifier. It works whether you're safe at home or out at a restaurant.

And the fact that you don't have to do anything extra is the best part. You're already pressing the home bottom to unlock your phone. Now the home button scans your finger to see if you are you and lets you in.

If it's not you... then it asks for a passcode.

 

[RMferrer]

Didn't Apple acquire some company for its fingerprint technology?

Apple then turned around and made it work easy and seamlessly.

That's pretty funny.. So why do I have to enter my passcode so often? Don't get me wrong I didn't buy a 5s for a gimmick fingerprint scanner.

But to say it works EASY and SEAMLESSLY is hilarious.

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No surprise here. Samsung is a copying company. Even before Apple their strategy was to copy the market leader in a given industry and make similar products at a cheaper price. It works for them. I don't buy any of their products though. It's mostly of lower quality and I've had a few bad experiences with them.

Own a MacBook? iPad? Where do you think those displays come from?

Ignorant..

 

[haruhiko]

Samsung, so creative they invented copying.

They didn't invent copying. The thing that they invented is the "copying technique that is safe from patent laws and at the same time supported by the majority of internet (tech blogs) users". Samsung can patent this innovative copying technique and forbid the others to do the same.

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That's pretty funny.. So why do I have to enter my passcode so often? Don't get me wrong I didn't buy a 5s for a gimmick fingerprint scanner.

But to say it works EASY and SEAMLESSLY is hilarious.

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Own a MacBook? iPad? Where do you think those displays come from?

Ignorant..

Yeah, we are so delusional to regard these machines to be copycat designs!

 

[thekev]

Exactly.

Samedung lacks imagination in as a simple a thing as a name.

Of course.... Some would say that this is an inevitable 'convergence of obvious names for a phone.'

5s ... S5

I'm not sure whether you guys are serious. They have used Galaxy S followed by a version number for some time now. Does it just bother you guys due to coincidental numbering?

Samsung's alleged new Galaxy UI. Reminds me of Google Now, Blinkfeed and Windows Phone. Lots of originality there. ��

too much excessive vignetting

 

[kalsta]

When steve jobs said: "Good artists copy, great artists steal", he actually said something right after that, which was: "And we've always been shameless about stealing great ideas.

So saying he's going to go thermonuclear on android is a very valid point. Because Samsung is not stealing ideas they are stealing products.

I think you've been caught in the headlights of the reality distortion field. Do you really think the iPhone was an entirely new kind of product?? It was a smart phone with a touch screen. Smart phones and touch screens had been done before. The genius of Jobs and Apple was how they married all these different ideas and existing technologies together to create something that was far more user friendly (and aesthetically pleasing) than every other smart phone on the market.

But I'm happy to agree with all the commenters who would use that quote to call Samsung a 'good artist' and Apple a 'great artist'. I agree, Apple has shown far more creativity and innovation in design, largely because they were founded and led by a man who (1) prized simple, attractive, user-friendly design above all else, (2) had an aversion to the status quo (always believing that there were better solutions just waiting to be discovered), and (3) was even prepared to risk the company in pursuit of those goals.

 

[kalsta]

IBM and Microsoft laugh and say it's a toy computer. Then years later blatently copy all the design features. Windows is born, LOL.

Not sure Microsoft was ever laughing. Bill Gates was publicly supportive of the Mac, and Microsoft was one of Apple's earliest software partners, bringing Excel to the Mac even before it was brought to the PC.

I suspect Gates, like Jobs, recognised the future of computing when he saw the mouse-driven GUI, and knew Microsoft had to change direction and fast. They did, and the rest is history.

 

[BSDanalyst]

Samsung copies and even has more time than Apple to design their phones, and still manages to release second rate products. Sad.

 

[MaSx]

That's pretty unfair as a comment: I agree with you that there is no way that Apple will actually be able to sue over Samsung playing copycat with a fingerprint sensor, but just look at the first Android implementation of a fingerprint scanner. Its clumsy, on the back, smudges the camera every time you use it, inaccurate and pretty unpleasant to use.

At the same time Apple brings out a solution which is always there, working in the background, very easy to set up and impressively accurate. All of a sudden Android manufacturers are like "oh yeah, that's obviously how we would have implemented a fingerprint sensor in an intuitive, non-gimmicky way" and bring it straight to their phones. HTC will pretend their first fingerprint phone never even happened and that Apple's way was always what they planned to do.

I like competition, I like certain things that Android manufacturers do, less so Samsung but the HTC One is a gorgeous phone and the Nexus 4 and 5 are both outstanding value for money, but its things like this, like that internal Samsung document that leaked showing Samsung trying to make their user experience more iPhone-like that REALLY hacks me off.

You had me until this. No Apple fan should ever think in that manner after seeing how iOS 7 is like.

1. They blatantly copied "webOS" multitasking scheme. EXACTLY THE SAME.

2. Notification Center/Control Center = Android had it all along.

And most of the stuff looks a lot like Windows Phone, webOS, Android and Blackberry (who? yeah, I know) mix in it.

You can hate all you want but this is the truth and something I completely understand, it does not make me like Apple any less. What I do dislike, when people points out things blatantly when others copy Apple yet refuses to accept the fact that Apple does the same thing. As for Samsung, no comment. They suck at design no doubt about it. So, I hope that hacks you off too that Apple does the same thing.

 

[Serelus]

And when Apple steal great ideas implemented in other products (like Android notifications etc.) what exactly are they stealing: ideas or products?

It was LockInfo a jailbreak tweak that first introduced these kinds of features, common misconception.

Android is not developed by Samsung

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Xerox didn't discarded any idea, in fact, they sold computers with those ideas

Oh you're the guy who picks apart everyone's sentences and to find the flaws without arguing the point at hand. Good job.

Point is still the same, both Google who is developer android and Samsung who's developing the phone are guilty of what I stated previously.

I think you've been caught in the headlights of the reality distortion field. Do you really think the iPhone was an entirely new kind of product??

Yes, it was. For you to think it wasn't is stupid.

 

[Oletros]

Point is still the same, both Google who is developer android and Samsung who's developing the phone are guilty of what I stated previously.

And exactly how Android is guilty of that?

 

[Oletros]

It was LockInfo a jailbreak tweak that first introduced these kinds of features, common misconception.

Wrong, lockinfo came after the first beta sdk were notifications appeared , and even if it were true, how change the fact that was "stolen"?

 

[thepowerofnone]

You had me until this. No Apple fan should ever think in that manner after seeing how iOS 7 is like.

1. They blatantly copied "webOS" multitasking scheme. EXACTLY THE SAME.

2. Notification Center/Control Center = Android had it all along.

And most of the stuff looks a lot like Windows Phone, webOS, Android and Blackberry (who? yeah, I know) mix in it.

You can hate all you want but this is the truth and something I completely understand, it does not make me like Apple any less. What I do dislike, when people points out things blatantly when others copy Apple yet refuses to accept the fact that Apple does the same thing. As for Samsung, no comment. They suck at design no doubt about it. So, I hope that hacks you off too that Apple does the same thing.

Yeah, your two examples are fair, and yeah, Apple does the same thing, but I was referring to a document you may (or may not) be aware was leaked and detailed Samsung making direct comparisons between how its phones did things and how the iPhone did, then making a suggestion as to how to improve their experience: often they were as blatant as to say "make the experience more iOS like". Not sure any company has been quite so caught with their hand in the cookie jar and got away with it before.

People have levelled at me that competition is good, and as I stated, it sure is, but if Samsung (or any other tech firm) got an iPhone and took it apart (which they almost certainly did) to see how Apple squeezed the fingerprint sensor into the home button and then used that to improve their solution, they owe Apple a royalty. Unless its common enough knowledge that their researchers can think of it all by themselves, there is theft of intellectual knowledge there. Now since this happens in so many parts of the phone with so many companies, the best solutions are like the iOS-WP deal where they agree not to sue each other for deriving solutions from the other's software, provided the UI experiences remain distinct. That, is the best form of competition one could ask for.

 

[Jsameds]

Samsung will undoubtedly use the scanner to do more things than the 5S can currently do (Like multi-user login, single-app fingerprint lock etc) and will on paper at least show the 5S up.

Until the side by side comparisons come out that is, and show the Samsung to be unresponsive and not working most of the time.

It's the same old story with Samsung.

• Copy Apple (or other leading brand)
• Sell product for fractionally less
• Improve on some things but fail in some major fundamental areas making the technology horrible and/or unusable
• Still sell phones anyway because it looks good on paper

 

[the-msa]

apple doesnt invent fingerprint, uses it in iphone, everyone pisses himself like an excited dog.
samsung now does too, everybody rages.

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motorola invents handheld mobile phone, no one cares.
apple copies concept and makes iphone which makes calling someone more complicated than with a keypad phone where you just dial a number instead of clicking through apps - everyone pisses himself again

this is how apple logic works ^^

just because apple does something first the right way, does in no way mean others are copying it when doing it too.

 

[rsocal]

What?

apple doesnt invent fingerprint, uses it in iphone, everyone pisses himself like an excited dog.
samsung now does too, everybody rages.

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motorola invents handheld mobile phone, no one cares.
apple copies concept and makes iphone which makes calling someone more complicated than with a keypad phone where you just dial a number instead of clicking through apps - everyone pisses himself again

this is how apple logic works ^^

just because apple does something first the right way, does in no way mean others are copying it when doing it too.

Can you clarify what WTF you are trying to tell everyone here?
Are you actually going back to compare a smartphone to a Motorola handheld cell phone and saying Apple's iPhone copied Motorola's cell phone because it makes phone calls? Before I go further are you also saying that making a call on a Motorola early style cell phone is easier then Apples iPhone? Making a phone call from an iPhone is to easy to even make a comparison. Or most any of the new smartphones in general.

I bought an iPhone the day it was released in 2007. I had a Razor at that time and couldn't believe how easy making a call on the iPhone was, the big number touch screen keypad was just to cool!

Listening to people actually talk about Apple stealing ideas or others stealing from Apple really makes me laugh! All company's do it and always will, that's what drives innovation and what keeps it all evolving!

Regardless of who had the first "smartphone" doesn't really matter, what matters is Apple had what truly by definition, created the first world changing "smartphone" that now all the competition tries to emulate! Everyone now including Apple, is just trying to make a better iPhone! It's to easy to see, the competition is great for innovation and to evolve the whole mobile experience.

Apple has created a complete mobile ecosystem that is what the competition, again, is trying to duplicate. Apple take ideas some of their own, some from others and perfects, makes intuitive, consistent and extremely user friendly! Add to that a hardware quality that no one has even come close to duplicating! As well as their outstanding customer service!!!

Samsung has done nothing but copy from Apple, they have not come up with any great innovative ideas or perfected anyone else's. What Samsung is good at is creating gimmicks to attract people with "wow the iPhone doesn't do that"?
Here is a good example, scrolling, pausing a movie with eye movement recognition, my friend gave up iPhone to a S4 for this feature and the bigger screen. I myself thought that it might be cool, and it is. However after he has had the phone a while, I asked him how often do you use that feature and do you like it? His reply was, "I can't stand it for scrolling and for watching movies I really don't see a need for it". I tried it out several times and can say its neat tech, not very useful for me but I'm sure we will see it on all smartphones as an option eventually. My point is this is just one small example that a useless gimmick got the my friend to switch phones. He is now back to a iPhone 5s.

Bottom line IMO Apple does it better then the competition and the competition continues to try and be another iPhone and Apple!