Samsung Said to Follow Apple's Lead with Fingerprint Sensor, No Iris Scanner in Galaxy S5

[Renzatic]

That's why I ended by saying there are more and less ethical ways to use copied ideas. Xerox throws idea in garbage, Jobs uses it to create computer revolution. Gates could have collaborated paid royalties. Not use the style of a thief, er excuse me, free market capitalist.

Jobs wasn't exactly innocent in the whole Xerox GUI affair. There were a number of things they did that were a little on the seedy side.

Don't try to make one out to be the hero and the other a villain here. In the world of business, it's all grey. And Job could get just as dirty as anyone else playing the game.

 

[Veinticinco]

Copycats up a stepladder peering over the shoulders of giants.

 

[HEK]

Android is not developed by Samsung

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Xerox didn't discarded any idea, in fact, they sold computers with those ideas

Right, Xerox management took the R&D ideas their own team developed and created a sales winning personal computing revolution that swept the world over the last thirty years. Changing how everyone on the planet interacts with their computing devices. Yup, i still recall the early days of the Xerox PC, how it made inroads in all other computing platforms. How even early scoffers later adopted the interface as their own. And how today Xerox is a world leader in computing devices. .........Steps back into multi universe phase shifting portal .......presses return to reality button and disappears .......

 

[Oletros]

Right, Xerox management took the R&D ideas their own team developed and created a sales winning personal computing revolution that swept the world over the last thirty years. Changing how everyone on the planet interacts with their computing devices. Yup, i still recall the early days of the Xerox PC, how it made inroads in all other computing platforms. How even early scoffers later adopted the interface as their own. And how today Xerox is a world leader in computing devices. .........Steps back into multi universe phase shifting portal .......presses return to reality button and disappears .......

Well, fact is that Xerox didn't discarded ideas, they developed and sold the Xerox Alto and Xerox Star

It is not my fault that you ignored that and it is not my fault that now you're trying to hide that behind that nonsensical post.

 

[TWSS37]

I like to play a game when people are driving like idiots. "Are they using their phone". So far I'm right about 90% of the time.

When someone is on my ass and talking (or texting) on the phone in the slow lane, I'll move to the fast lane and they always blow past me. Then I end up passing them 30 seconds later, cause I use cruise control and don't use the phone while driving!

I miss the days when people didn't have smartphones.

This is a bit shortsighted. People are always doing something when driving. Eating, women putting on makeup, reading - I even saw someone playing a bongo one. The point is, there will never be a lack of things to do to distract you from driving; texting/calling is just the most prevalent in the most recent past and present.

 

[Renzatic]

Right, Xerox management took the R&D ideas their own team developed and created a sales winning personal computing revolution that swept the world over the last thirty years. Changing how everyone on the planet interacts with their computing devices. Yup, i still recall the early days of the Xerox PC, how it made inroads in all other computing platforms. How even early scoffers later adopted the interface as their own. And how today Xerox is a world leader in computing devices. .........Steps back into multi universe phase shifting portal .......presses return to reality button and disappears .......

You know, the first GUI computer made by Apple, The Lisa, cost almost exactly the same amount as the Xerox Star, and didn't sell that much more. The Macintosh also didn't set the world on fire saleswise. It was a modest success for its first year, then sales dropped sharply for it afterwards.

When you look at the first Mac from outside Apple world, it was a great precursor device, but not the world changing machine it's made out to be.

 

[Antares]

"Who would want to put their handset up close to their eyes for authentication in places like movie theaters and bed, or even while they are driving?," the industry source added.

Using the phone in a movie theatre or the car? these are the people that should be restricted from all forms of technology!

I would help fund, with my own money, the development of any software or other technology that would prevent cell phone use in movie theaters. It's too bad cell jammers are illegal. Movie theaters are one of the few places where there is absolutely no reason for anyone to ever need to have the ability to use a phone. When the lights go dark and a movie starts, all cell phones in the auditorium should lose their cellular network connection.

The car is another story, you may need to use your phone for navigation...or other passengers in the car could use their phone for anything.

 

[Renzatic]

I would help fund, with my own money, the development of any software or other technology that would prevent cell phone use in movie theaters. It's too bad cell jammers are illegal. Movie theaters are one of the few places where there is absolutely no reason for anyone to ever need to have the ability to use a phone. When the lights go dark and a movie starts, all cell phones in the auditorium should lose their cellular network connection.

Why worry about cell jammers? Just give the ushers cattle prods standard issue, and the problem would solve itself.

 

[RiddlaBronc]

Lol at the ********

Who cares more options flr us who are not biased

 

[HEK]

Well, fact is that Xerox didn't discarded ideas, they developed and sold the Xerox Alto and Xerox Star

It is not my fault that you ignored that and it is not my fault that now you're trying to hide that behind that nonsensical post.

No need for you to take any blame. Never said it was anyone's fault.

The Alto was a several thousand run, not sold commercially. Seeded to Xerox R&D and several universities. Most likely what Jobs saw when he toured Xerox PARC R&D. It rightfully deserves credit for all we are experiencing today.

The Star (software name), actually the 8010 Information System sold 25 thousand units. Sold as a $75,000 base system with $16K for add on units. Later units did sell individually with laser printer and were a commercial failure.

I still contend with 20/20 hindsight (tongue in cheek) that Xerox management totally missed the boat on what their R&D team created. In point of fact, perhaps had the executive actually used the equipment in their offices, that might have seen the light bulb shining as Jobs did when management allowed him to tour the PARC facility.

On second thought, probably not, at the executive management of that time would not be doing their own word processing, spreadsheets, or inter office communication. Their minions would have been better impressed and inspired.

 

[HEK]

You know, the first GUI computer made by Apple, The Lisa, cost almost exactly the same amount as the Xerox Star, and didn't sell that much more. The Macintosh also didn't set the world on fire saleswise. It was a modest success for its first year, then sales dropped sharply for it afterwards.

When you look at the first Mac from outside Apple world, it was a great precursor device, but not the world changing machine it's made out to be.

Quite true, yet here we are today, fully adopted with what the PARC people did. Perhaps the hunger, the desire to change things, a driving vision is also what is needed. The Mac could have failed and been discarded. We could be on DOS 98.3 right now.

The Mac was an anemic machine, that need more memory, but it did demonstrate and sparked an interest that became an inferno. As for Lisa costing about what Star did, both were overpriced for the market. Jobs corrected, Xerox did not.

 

[639051]

Heh, after moving to a Moto X I'd say Apple has a lot to be worried about. The features Motorola has put into this device make the usability far better than any Apple product I have owned.

I can't stand Samsung .. but I am getting to the point where I can't stand Apple either. Let the idiots battle it out while others actually innovate. Apple has some great hardware design, but they lost their edge with real features it seems. When my Android device crashes less than my iOS device (and that's the reality here for me) .. well, the tables seem to have turned.

 

[AppleWarMachine]

5s ... S5

or 4s...S4

 

[Michael Scrip]

Apple cannot sue Samsung for putting a fingerprint sensor in their phone, it's been done before.

However Apple can, I expect will sue Samsung, if they violate any of Apple's patents for fingerprint scanning technology (Apple owns many patents for the way that they implement the concept, i.e.) capturing, authenticating, storing to the secure enclave etc.).

Samsung are free to add fingerprint sensing tech, they'll simply have work around the patented technology of others. (or they could license the technology.. like THAT's gonna happen!)

Exactly.

From what I understand... you cannot patent an idea like fingerprint scanning.

You can only patent a specific implementation of fingerprint scanning... or the specific method it takes to achieve it.

I'm interested to see what Samsung, and others, can come up with in terms of fingerprint scanning.

Apple bought AuthenTec... who I would imagine were the best in the biz. So now Apple has AuthenTec's engineers along with their own engineers. And, like you said, Apple now has AuthenTec's patents.

It's gonna be tough for anyone else to top that.

 

[Renzatic]

Quite true, yet here we are today, fully adopted with what the PARC people did. Perhaps the hunger, the desire to change things, a driving vision is also what is needed. The Mac could have failed and been discarded. We could be on DOS 98.3 right now.

The Mac was an anemic machine, that need more memory, but it did demonstrate and sparked an interest that became an inferno. As for Lisa costing about what Star did, both were overpriced for the market. Jobs corrected, Xerox did not.

Even if the Mac failed, the GUI still would've become a thing. MS had already seen it at Xerox and wanted a piece of that pie, which was eventually built into Windows. The Atari ST and Amiga sported their own not even a full year after the release of the first Mac with TOS and Workbench. I think even the TRS-80 had a rudimentary graphical front end before '84.

Apple with the GUI was about like Apple with multitouch smartphones. They didn't directly invent much themselves, but they were able to accurately predict the next big thing. So they took it, gave it their own polish and shine, and became among the first to ride the hype right as it started hitting big.

 

[Michael Scrip]

Exactly. Any added security is a good thing. Theoretically I suppose that someone could lop off a finger or gouge out an eye to "try" to get around security measures, but wouldn't be easier to do what they've been able to do for years and simply beat the crap out of someone to get their passcode. (or bank card pin)

Any added security measure will be a deterrent. If those measures are transparent to the user and reliable, they are more likely to be used.

Exactly.

For years I never used the passcode on my iPhone because it was a pain to unlock my phone a hundred times a day. But I would be in trouble if my phone was lost or stolen.

TouchID now allows me to unlock my phone with ease... but my phone is pretty much useless if someone steals it.

The combination of TouchID and the passcode... plus Activation Lock... prevents people from enjoying my stolen phone.

Hopefully the crooks will understand that it's not worth stealing an iPhone 5S

 

[Michael Scrip]

So [TouchID is] just a security gimmic.

Not really... you still need a passcode to use TouchID.

So would you consider a passcode to be just a security gimmick? Of course not.

TouchID is simply a shortcut to bypass your passcode. It allows YOU to open your phone easily. Anyone other than you would still need to know your passcode.

The passcode is still the basis of iPhone security.

 

[HEK]

Even if the Mac failed, the GUI still would've become a thing. MS had already seen it at Xerox and wanted a piece of that pie, which was eventually built into Windows. The Atari ST and Amiga sported their own not even a full year after the release of the first Mac with TOS and Workbench. I think even the TRS-80 had a rudimentary graphical front end before '84.

Apple with the GUI was about like Apple with multitouch smartphones. They didn't directly invent much themselves, but they were able to accurately predict the next big thing. So they took it, gave it their own polish and shine, and became among the first to ride the hype right as it started hitting big.

What's interesting is how so much of what we have in computing today is NOT really gone far be beyond what the PARC R&D group envisioned. The GUI, the mouse/menus, the rich text/picture screens, ethernet/connectivity. Yes smaller, faster, more detail, but the basic concepts, refined yes, but innovation, new approaches, not so much.

With that idea in mind, all the current players are feeding off those same bold concepts. Wonder what those PARC people are doing today?

 

[Max(IT)]

SAMEsung S5 will have a fingerprint sensor ? What an unexpected news ...

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No, but just like multi touch, App Store, Siri, and dozens of countless features, they were the first to put it in a useful package rather than geeky proof of concepts, and that's what samsung copies; not technology itself as much as practicality of technology

Perfect answer !

 

[AppleScruff1]

I know this is meant in jest...

But did you ever read the patent briefing that Apple sent to samsung and filed in court with patents that they claimed were breached.

Apple did actually claim that Samsung copied a patent on drawing images and shapes on a digital display for UI and UX interaction.

so yes. Apple claims they invented the rectangle

I think it was a rectangle with rounded corners in the court filing, wasn't it?

 

[Rogifan]

Samsung's alleged new Galaxy UI. Reminds me of Google Now, Blinkfeed and Windows Phone. Lots of originality there. #

 

[ArcaneDevice]

Samsung's alleged new Galaxy UI. Reminds me of Google Now, Blinkfeed and Windows Phone. Lots of originality there. ��

You mean as opposed to still copying the same layout of small icons on a grid that appeared in Palm devices more than fifteen years ago?

 

[FrizzleFryBen]

This is a bit shortsighted. People are always doing something when driving. Eating, women putting on makeup, reading - I even saw someone playing a bongo one. The point is, there will never be a lack of things to do to distract you from driving; texting/calling is just the most prevalent in the most recent past and present.

Gosh, you're right! I forgot about the simple distractions of the past 100 years. Sorry for singling out a particular distraction (that's a major distraction, 100 fold all others) that I was specifically replying to.

Ps. Don't single out women. I've seen plenty of men putting on eyeliner and/or shaving.

 

[Nevaborn]

Samsung, so creative they invented copying.

 

[LordVic]

I think it was a rectangle with rounded corners in the court filing, wasn't it?

I wish I was kidding about the "rectangle thing"

as I said, Apple's August 2010 presentation to Samsung and the courts outlining the patents that Apple was intended to sue samsung over included many interesting patents that are not necessarily well known, that date back to the 80's and 90's.

And one of them, I wish this was a joke, but it is serious:
US 5,455,599 (grafport) "Object-Oriented Graphic System"

"An object-oriented graphic system is disclosed including a processor with an attached display, storage and object oriented operating system. The Graphic system builds a component in the storage of the processor for managing graphics processing. The processor includes an object for connecting one or more graphics devices to various objects responsible ofr tasks such as graphic accelerators, Frame buffers, page description languages and vector engines. The System is fully extensible and includes polymorphic processing built into each of the support objects"

Examples Apple used of violation of this patent in their filing

Graphic Object: Instance of any subclass of: android.graphics.drawable.shapes.shape (rect,arc,oval,path,etc) or Android.view.view (button, checkbox, Listview, textview,etc) or android.graphics.drawable.drawable (Simple and composite object).
i.e. any class with a draw(canvas) method

so yeah, Apple has absolutely patented somehow, and have for decades now tried to enforce that they are the owners of drawing rectangles and other **** on the screen.


they also claim to own "scheduling" in a calender and the ability to use translucent items on a display

its an amusing read if you have the time. I'll admit, I dont understand every single patent and their description as many are definitely over my education level.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/102595858/Apple-s-August-2010-presentation-to-Samsung-on-iPhone-patents