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Samsung Seemingly Unconcerned Over Apple Lawsuit, Hints Dispute Could Continue to Escalate
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Seriously? Have you looked at Windows Phone 7? It's a full-screen multi-touch device, but it does not resemble an iPhone. It can be done. I'm not a huge fan of Microsoft, but I'll give them due credit here... They did their own thing. The iPhone was the inspiration, but they did their own thing and did it pretty well.
Samsung won't do that because it's not as risky as copying a device that is a proven runaway hit. No need to do R and D, no need to innovate.
The Samsung exec already admitted that there is no need to do their own software when they can use Google's Android which (thanks to the iPhone) has been very successful. The exec should have continued and admitted that there is no need for Samsung to innovate on the hardware side either when they can just attempt to mimic Apples proven designs.
I hope justice will prevail and Apple will end up owning very large chunks of Samsung, Google, Nokia and HTC, as they deserve.
If it doesn't, Apple will still win in the marketplace.
People know Apple is innovative, and people know Apple is the only one who is being innovative.
Even the apple haters are hating out of jealousy more than anything else.
IF justice doesn't prevail, it will just show how corrupt the judicial system is. This of course isn't news, they already let Microsoft off the hook for ripping off the Mac.
The really pathetic thing is, all the apple haters have to tell lies to try and rationalize their hate. They think they're fooling anybody? And inside, every time they lie, they know it, and they get a little bit more desperate and pathetic.
If it doesn't, Apple will still win in the marketplace.
People know Apple is innovative, and people know Apple is the only one who is being innovative.
Even the apple haters are hating out of jealousy more than anything else.
IF justice doesn't prevail, it will just show how corrupt the judicial system is. This of course isn't news, they already let Microsoft off the hook for ripping off the Mac.
The really pathetic thing is, all the apple haters have to tell lies to try and rationalize their hate. They think they're fooling anybody? And inside, every time they lie, they know it, and they get a little bit more desperate and pathetic.
They get credit for coming up with a different UI, but the UI is still multi-touch and this is a UI that Apple invented, and has patented.
Fortunately for Microsoft, they already signed a cross licensing agreement with Apple and have been paying apple significant royalties since the 1990s.... so Apple won't need to sue them.
Multi-touch is Apple's invention.
Samsung needs to grow up. They copied. They got caught. Bad boys. No go do some real work and get back to business.
i thought this is only true for the US and samsung isnt a US company, that's why the Palm Pre always had Multitouch in Europe and was blocked on US Palm Pre's
and btw r we really worked up over icon's? my first nokia phone had icon grids
What's a memorial day ? (Hint : Not all Macrumors posters are from the US
)Multi-touch is not even an Apple invention in the US. It's been around and demoed for quite a while, even before Apple bought Fingerworks, the company responsible for their own implementation of multi-touch (yes, Apple didn't innovate, they purchased it).
First, I generally have no problems with what you said
But please, would people realize for once that Apple was 'Not' the first company to ever come up with the UI consisting of grid rows of icons and/or with one default bottom row of icons that is 'touchable'. And they certainly weren't the first company to 'create' a smart phone.
Frankly they seemed to have copied heavily the basic UI elements of Palm OS, or even RIM to some extent.
Small screen with a grid of icons? Check.
Default bottom grid of icons at the bottom? Check (albeit, from third party launchers for again, Palm devices)
etc. etc.
Now I'm not saying Palm was the first to come out with such ideas as I'm sure some other obscure company has come up with similar ideas.
There really aren't any new ideas. Most everything has been done before. It's only a degree of how successful a company was with said idea.
Apple just simply did it right. They weren't the first out of the block but they were the first out of the block to get all the pieces together in a environment that actually works. Again, Apple didn't invent the concept. They just were better at engineering a system that works with the marketing, support, resources and leadership to make it happen.
You're very right. The "it" was referring to the smartphone revolution I was talking about in the previous sentence, not the smartphone's UI or smartphones in general. More specifically the smartphone revolution for mass consumers, as the business smartphone market has already been revolutionized by RIM. Apple didn't invent the smartphone, they made it accessible to the mass through clever marketing and user-friendliness. The same way they didn't invent the portable media player, legal digital downloads nor the tablet. They still changed the marked and influenced other companies more than the original creator of these gadgets. That's what Apple always does and will likely continue doing.
Is Multi-Touch really Apple's invention? I'm not saying that it isn't, because I'm not sure. I thought that it originated elsewhere. I thought that Apple patented certain multi-touch gestures and might own the trade name "Multi-Touch", but I'm not so sure that they actually invented the underlying technology.
Do you know for sure that it was their invention?
Did Samsung really need to call the phone the i9000? It couldn't have been any other letter in front of it?
I'm hoping for the same thing. And they should have to pay Apple a royalty fee (a small percentage for every Samsung phone sold) at the minimum if they borrowed heavily from the Apple Designs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FingerWorks
AFAIK, the first commercial company to use Multi-Touch was FingerWorks, co-founded in 1998 by Wayne Westerman (and a professor in his department) who studied Multi-Touch and made a PhD Dissertation about it in 1999: http://www.ece.udel.edu/~westerma/main.pdf
A lot of other companies used similar touch input after that. Apple bought FingerWorks in 2005 and trademarked the term "Multi-Touch".
While I'm not sure about this suit and all the particulars of the patent...... which phone and UI's looked like the iPhone before the iPhone? They definitely looked different before the iPhone and phones (smart phones) are starting to look incredibly similar after the iPhone. Whether it's flattery or theft of design....... I'm not sure; thank god it's not my job to figure it all out
Agreed. Many people have forgotten this.
As an example... take the Nokia n-Gage. The best that the most powerful mobile phone of the time could come up with. It was an utter farce.
Then the iPhone was announced and the narrow minded, stuck in a rut mobile phone industry laughed at the touchscreen interface, the price, the GUI, etc. Many even doubted one could properly type on it. I vividly remember all those debates. And look at the state of the industry now.... they are all taking hints (to put it very mildly) from Apple. Some more than others. Love them or loathe them, Apple revolutionized the industry (again).
Exactly. You can't blame the competition for abandoning net books in favor of tablets after Apple created a new market with the ipad. But the competition should at least try to do something unique. There are some tablets out there that are somewhat different. I realize it is hard to get around the basic shape but at least try. But the Galaxy tablet is just too similar the ipad to be anything but a copy.
Ohh you wish
, the money paid to lawyers will be recouped from customers by both companies.
For many years (pre iPhone even), Samsung has been known as Same-sung in the cellular device industry.
That is, their products are the same as yours... just 6 months after you released yours.
As others have pointed out, being a "fast follower" is a valid business model, one that Samsung has been using for a very long time now. The legal question here does not revolve around that, it revolves around whether or not Sammy has copied patented work, if that's the case then there will be ramifications.
That is, their products are the same as yours... just 6 months after you released yours.
As others have pointed out, being a "fast follower" is a valid business model, one that Samsung has been using for a very long time now. The legal question here does not revolve around that, it revolves around whether or not Sammy has copied patented work, if that's the case then there will be ramifications.
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look at the windows phone 7. the HTC phones and motorola, they don't look anything like the iPhone, the samsung galaxy s looks like a cheap knockoff of the iPhone, even more so when they use the app drawer in the marketing pics, which is 90% of the time. the other devices app drawers are not so much blatant ripoffs.
well since samsung advertised the phone showing the app drawer as a main screen, it's fair enough that people compare the 2 as such!!
Ohh you wish
Costs of doing business. In this day and age, lawyers are already part of the budget for all firms. We already pay for this.
Which Samsung Galaxy S ? Why doesn't anybody ever qualify that statement ? (Don't answer that, I know why). There are quite a few models that are branded Galaxy S by Samsung and most of them bear no ressemblance to the iPhone, and those that do only do so from certain angles/POVs.
If people wanted an iPhone, they won't buy a Galaxy.
The TouchWhiz icons looking too similar to the iOS ones were pretty much a legit claim, but once Apple started bringing in the whole "They are purposely trying to confuse people into buying a Galaxy instead of an iPhone" was where the case fell off the edge for me.
The Galaxy is not cheaper than the iPhone 3GS. So, if you were a consumer wanting a Galaxy 3GS, you won't be buying a Galaxy S just because the designs are the same.
Let's say you wanted to buy a BMW. Brand X from China makes a knock-off that looks the same. They both are priced at the same range (or knockoff brand X is even more expensive). Would the fact that brand X looks exactly like the BMW you wanted to buy influence your decision in choosing the car? No - you would go for the BMW.
The only way Apple can keep the whole "Trick users into buying a Galaxy instead of iPhone via design similarity" alive is if they admit that the Galaxy S looks like an iPhone 3GS, but is better in some way. Without something like that, there is no way to say that people are buying the Galaxy S just because it looks like the iPhone they wanted.
The TouchWhiz icons looking too similar to the iOS ones were pretty much a legit claim, but once Apple started bringing in the whole "They are purposely trying to confuse people into buying a Galaxy instead of an iPhone" was where the case fell off the edge for me.
The Galaxy is not cheaper than the iPhone 3GS. So, if you were a consumer wanting a Galaxy 3GS, you won't be buying a Galaxy S just because the designs are the same.
Let's say you wanted to buy a BMW. Brand X from China makes a knock-off that looks the same. They both are priced at the same range (or knockoff brand X is even more expensive). Would the fact that brand X looks exactly like the BMW you wanted to buy influence your decision in choosing the car? No - you would go for the BMW.
The only way Apple can keep the whole "Trick users into buying a Galaxy instead of iPhone via design similarity" alive is if they admit that the Galaxy S looks like an iPhone 3GS, but is better in some way. Without something like that, there is no way to say that people are buying the Galaxy S just because it looks like the iPhone they wanted.
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and they look like it from the angles and POV that SAMSUNG themselves market it!!! that's the whole point!
like i said, compare the HTC phones, the Motorola phones and the windows phones, do any of them look remotely like the iPhone? no. Unlike Samsung.
Actually, i know a few people who are not tech heads, who confused the 2 as they saw a galaxy s that had the samsung logo removed off the front, so it can be done. people on here are too much technical minded to be a fair judge.
plus some networks in the UK were giving away the Galaxy S for free on contract whilst the iPhone was still going for £200 or so on contract, so yea, the Galaxy S would be cheaper.
"Samsung Seemingly Unconcerned Over Apple Lawsuit, Hints Dispute Could Continue to Escalate"
If they are unconcerned why escalate then?
If they are unconcerned why escalate then?
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