Samsung Seemingly Unconcerned Over Apple Lawsuit, Hints Dispute Could Continue to Escalate

Apple last week was granted access to unreleased (albeit already announced)

This is a funny thing to say. Most company announce what they are bring out long before they do. Its only Apple that hides everything till the end. Steve has to have that hour of fame introducing what is new for this year. Don't get me wrong its fun to speculate on what he will talk about, but to say that Samsung has already announced products well dah its not like they keep it secret which is only really seen with Apple.
 
Bilbo63 said:
SOME of Samsung's interface designs clearly copy Apples. No question.

It is actually YOU that are Cherry picking images. All you have proven is that while Samsung clearly ripped off a lot of Apple's look and feel, they didn't copy everything. Good job, but Apple has no problem with areas that don't mimic their work.
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you are going to have to explain how knight cherry pick when he used multiple images other the standard one used by the people here screaming Apple is right.

THe image everyone uses to say Apple is right is shot only from the font and has the size of the device change in the picture to look like the same size as the iPhone.

I think it is the one screaming Apple is right that is cherry picking because when supplied with the list Knight showed it complete kills the argument.

Also as knight pointed out marketing material is not exactly relevant in the argument.

Apple iOS is like an always open App draw on Android phone. It lacks all the other features.
 
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BJMRamage said:
hardly the same phone in the photos...Apple shot is angled and tilted on the side...Samsung is shot angled and tilted on the OTHER side.
Samsung has 4 icons across and 4 down, Apple has 4 down and four across. Apple has a 4-icon block on the bottom, Samsung has a block with 4 icons on the bottom.
Samsung had the screen dots on the top, Apple has them on the bottom. Samsung has its name on the front Apple does not.

Clearly totally different.

Samsung has copied like many others out there to have a similar phone, BUT Samsung ALSO mimics their ads and photos just like Apple whereas other brands position themselves in a different manner. Samsung is clearly trying to exploit the similar design and prescence that the Apple iPhone takes.
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Exactly. Samsung's iPhone doesn't look anything like the Apple.
 
Bilbo63 said:
SOME of Samsung's interface designs clearly copy Apples. No question.
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Clearly ? No Question ? You a judge on this case ? No ? Then you can't make grand sweeping statements like this until we have a judgement.

I showed how this case is muddier than it seems. Even in the interface cues (what's left besides the app drawer icon grid which is just a blatant rip off of every icon based interface before it anyhow ?)
 
KnightWRX said:
Funny how I'm in denial, yet I seem to be the only that bothered checking the phone from every angle and bothered to find out about the UI behind it. :rolleyes:

Where is the denial in my posts ? I'm just saying this isn't as clear cut as some of you make it out to be by using words like "blatant" and "rip-off".

Seems to be it's you guys that are in denial that this might not be as clear cut as you think it is.



Then how can you make statements like the fact this wasn't thrown out so it has merit ? If you don't know US justice, don't comment US justice.

Anyway, I don't know why I keep arguing with you, the fact is, the courts will decide the outcome. No matter what happens, my life is not impacted by this at all, nor do I worship Apple enough to prevent me from sleeping at night.
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You claim this doesn't mean anything to you, and yet you "seem to be the only that bothered checking the phone from every angle and bothered to find out about the UI behind it." Yea, and we all worship Apple so much that we can't sleep at night.

You seem to enjoy acting as if you are vastly more mature and intellectual than most of us around here, and yet you contradict yourself quite frequently and resort to immature "worshipping Apple" quips that hold no water whatsoever. Step off the high horse. (Although I'm unsure if you realize how elitist you come across as)
 
I read an article a while back about an American that worked in the auto industry in Japan. He commented that it was part of Japanese culture to copy. One example he gave was of Honda engineers supposedly getting into a then new, just released camry model with tape measure in hand.

I think highly of Japanese engineering and thought they would have more "craftsmanship" in their blood lines and more pride in their design work. Maybe the American's observation might have been a bit off? So I talked to a Japanese friend of mine about the article, and about the Americans observation..."is it true that this is common in the Japanese culture" I asked. "Yes" he said, "Americans should do that more". I was really surprised he would just point blank say that.

Anyway, one data point and a bit anecdotal, but to me the phones look pretty much the same. If you took samsungs name off and stick apple on it, I would say it's the iPhone 3 GX or some closely related cousin to the 3GS.
 
Bilbo63 said:
Seriously? Have you looked at Windows Phone 7? It's a full-screen multi-touch device, but it does not resemble an iPhone. It can be done. I'm not a huge fan of Microsoft, but I'll give them due credit here... They did their own thing. The iPhone was the inspiration, but they did their own thing and did it pretty well.

Samsung won't do that because it's not as risky as copying a device that is a proven runaway hit. No need to do R and D, no need to innovate.
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What are you babbling about?

Samsung makes hardware, Apple even uses Samsung hardware. The UI is Android or did you just decide to forget that. Microsoft UI is different true but only in that the first part of the phone that we have seen. I figure the rest is about the same, plus MS is throwing everything into the UI like they do with Windows that way they don't have to worry if 3rd party developers take their time jumping into the fray.

Every phone out there looks like every smart phone one way or another Apple is full of it self just happen I figure they want something from Samsung and this is a good way to get it. Have you even looked at all the smart phones from Samsung have you?

http://www.samsung.com/us/article/turn-your-tv-on-to-a-galaxy-of-remote-possibilities

They don't take chances, right fangirl.
 
ABernardoJr said:
You claim this doesn't mean anything to you, and yet you "seem to be the only that bothered checking the phone from every angle and bothered to find out about the UI behind it." Yea, and we all worship Apple so much that we can't sleep at night.
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Yes, fact checking a story before participating in the discussion on it is clearly a sign that this impacts me to the fullest.

ABernardoJr said:
You seem to enjoy acting as if you are vastly more mature and intellectual than most of us around here, and yet you contradict yourself quite frequently and resort to immature "worshipping Apple" quips that hold no water whatsoever. Step off the high horse. (Although I'm unsure if you realize how elitist you come across)
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No, I'm acting as if I'm tired of the old mantra oft-repeated here "Apple is always right". And it's not really an act, I'm really getting tired of it. It's getting old. This isn't some kind of cult-of-mac site where we need to blindly agree with anything Apple does. This is a site about Rumors and news about Apple, can't we discuss things in an objective way for once ?

IconicM said:
I read an article a while back about an American that worked in the auto industry in Japan. He commented that it was part of Japanese culture to copy.
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Samsung is a Korean company.
 
ABernardoJr said:
You claim this doesn't mean anything to you, and yet you "seem to be the only that bothered checking the phone from every angle and bothered to find out about the UI behind it." Yea, and we all worship Apple so much that we can't sleep at night.

You seem to enjoy acting as if you are vastly more mature and intellectual than most of us around here, and yet you contradict yourself quite frequently and resort to immature "worshipping Apple" quips that hold no water whatsoever. Step off the high horse. (Although I'm unsure if you realize how elitist you come across)
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Good thing he hasn't abused you yet.

Good thing he hasn't called you a "fanboy" or "Apple-Centric" or the one who believes "Apple invents everything" or in simple terms - "a moron".

Be grateful to him for God's sake? :rolleyes:
 
IconicM said:
Anyway, one data point and a bit anecdotal, but to me the phones look pretty much the same. If you took samsungs name off and stick apple on it, I would say it's the iPhone 3 GX or some closely related cousin to the 3GS.
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Really please do tell me how to make it so different that it still feels good in a wait for it wait for it Human hand but does not look like an iPhone XX.

UI is Android so its time for Apple to get all steamy over Google, oh wait they can't. I still say Apple wants something Samsung has and this is a great way to get it at a better price.
 
KnightWRX said:
Then how can you make statements like the fact this wasn't thrown out so it has merit ? If you don't know US justice, don't comment US justice.

Anyway, I don't know why I keep arguing with you, the fact is, the courts will decide the outcome. No matter what happens, my life is not impacted by this at all, nor do I worship Apple enough to prevent me from sleeping at night.
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Why would anyone outside the US read up so much on US Justice? I've read enough on this matter tho to see that the judges think there is some merit to the claims that they have granted access to the devices. If you were really right in the fact that the samsung phone is nothing like the iPhone why would they do this? and that is where your denial is.

again you claim i worship apple? when i've already made some points to counter this! lol. you're skirting close to breaching the rules of this site by trying to imply i'm a fanboi....

And on that note, i really am not gonna bother replying to you. i've got things to do and none of it includes reading too much into the US Justice system... lol

Rodimus Prime said:
you are going to have to explain how knight cherry pick when he used multiple images other the standard one used by the people here screaming Apple is right.

THe image everyone uses to say Apple is right is shot only from the font and has the size of the device change in the picture to look like the same size as the iPhone.

Also as knight pointed out marketing material is not exactly relevant in the argument.
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you've actually shot yourself in the foot, cos you said the standard image used by people here, exactly, the standard image used to promote this phone is the one we have shown cos it's marketing it to people as an iPhone lookalike, BY SAMSUNG! as i have said numerous times, all over android phones have gone out of their way to stand apart as VALID competition for the iPhone.

The marketing material just highlights how it's a cheap looking knockoff, therefore it is TOTALLY relevant.
 
kiljoy616 said:
Really please do tell me how to make it so different that it still feels good in a wait for it wait for it Human hand but does not look like an iPhone XX.

UI is Android so its time for Apple to get all steamy over Google, oh wait they can't. I still say Apple wants something Samsung has and this is a great way to get it at a better price.
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It's a bit like designing a watch. You can make them all look the same as in Casio and Seiko copying Rolex. Or you can make them look very different from Phillip Patek, to Panerari, etc. I don't know all the high end watches but they all try to design something different.

The point is you can do it if you want to. But you got to want to. Or you can be lazy or have low morals and ride on other coat tails.

Samsung just copied.
 
KnightWRX said:
In the UK, the iPhone 4 is also offered free by some carriers, so his point isn't valid at all. :rolleyes:
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Oh i missed this comment, the iPhone 4 is only offered free on the most expensive tariff and even then, it's just the 16Gb, not the 32Gb. this was not the case with the iPhone 3GS at the same time as when the samsung galaxy s (i900) was out, which was free on all the tariffs. So actually yes, it's a very valid point!
 
now its all of the sudden about how it was marketed? i thought they copied the freakin design, i have yet to see how the galaxy s is supposed to look like an iphone. u clearly havent seen a galaxy s out in the wild, i have an iPhone 4 and it looks nothing like a friends galaxy s which is a lot thinner, bigger screan, has a completely different back, the buttons r on the other side and all thats similiar is the freakin home button which isnt even the same shape and is used by many other manufacturers at the same spot. it might be "inspired" by the iPhone but seriously, which smartphone isnt. apple is just pissed that the galaxy is selling rather well in asia and europe

but whatever, its not like i'm being sued.

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andythursby said:
Oh i missed this comment, the iPhone 4 is only offered free on the most expensive tariff and even then, it's just the 16Gb, not the 32Gb. this was not the case with the iPhone 3GS at the same time as when the samsung galaxy s (i900) was out, which was free on all the tariffs. So actually yes, it's a very valid point!
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The Samsung Galaxy S shipped around the same time as the iPhone 4, so I don't quite get your comment. It was released in Korea on June 4th 2010, and in Europe later in June.

So the iPhone 3GS and Galaxy S never quite shared the stage. The Galaxy S line always competed with the iPhone 4 model. And yes, both models on release were the same 199$ price around here and in the US, I'd bet the UK carriers didn't go straight to free for either models either.
 
kiljoy616 said:
Really please do tell me how to make it so different that it still feels good in a wait for it wait for it Human hand but does not look like an iPhone XX.

UI is Android so its time for Apple to get all steamy over Google, oh wait they can't. I still say Apple wants something Samsung has and this is a great way to get it at a better price.
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lol go look at the HTC phones, Motorola ones and you can see how they've designed phones that look significantly different to the iPhone as opposed to samsung's ripoff.

Now if Apple were suing HTC or Motorola for exactly the same reason, the people kicking up saying the Samsung phone looks like the iPhone enough to warrant a lawsuit would be in the right and i'd actually side with them, but nope, this is specifically about the one that looks like a cheap knockoff.

KnightWRX said:
The Samsung Galaxy S shipped around the same time as the iPhone 4, so I don't quite get your comment. It was released in Korea on June 4th 2010, and in Europe later in June.

So the iPhone 3GS and Galaxy S never quite shared the stage. The Galaxy S line always competed with the iPhone 4 model. And yes, both models on release were the same 199$ price around here and in the US, I'd bet the UK carriers didn't go straight to free for either models either.
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they shared the stage enough, only a couple of weeks, but enough. and people were still having to pay the full whack for the iPhone 3GS when carphone warehouse, at launch, were giving the Galaxy S free on any contract........
 
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andythursby said:
the Galaxy S2 isn't out here yet, the galaxy s is going for free on the £30pm contract , the iPhone 4 is still £229 on a £30 a month contract.

EDIT - The Galaxy S2 is going for free on contract when coming out in the UK http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-SII
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woah nice, a friend of mine just replaced his 3G with a Samsung Galaxy S 2 this morning bc he couldnt wait for the next iphone revision and he said it was like 199 euro. i guess it depends on the plan u chose
 
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