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Samsung Seemingly Unconcerned Over Apple Lawsuit, Hints Dispute Could Continue to Escalate

andythursby said:
you've actually shot yourself in the foot, cos you said the standard image used by people here, exactly, the standard image used to promote this phone is the one we have shown cos it's marketing it to people as an iPhone lookalike, BY SAMSUNG! as i have said numerous times, all over android phones have gone out of their way to stand apart as VALID competition for the iPhone.

The marketing material just highlights how it's a cheap looking knockoff, therefore it is TOTALLY relevant.
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Umm standard picture USED BY PEOPLE HERE as such not exactly valid. Just people backing apple saying Apple is right.

Also that is ONE image of the phone. ONE IMAGE copy it does not make. As knight pointed out Marketing is marketing and they are known to bend the truth. Apple being one of the worse at down right near lieing more than once in the past.

In court it is safe to saw a judge will throw out Apple case in the end as when you look at more than JUST the app draw the entire case falls apart..
 
bushido said:
woah nice, a friend of mine just replaced his 3G with a Samsung Galaxy S 2 this morning bc he couldnt wait for the next iphone revision and he said it was like 199 euro. i guess it depends on the plan u chose
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well that's on all plans on orange in the UK, iPhone 4 still costs on all plans unless you fork out £75pm contract

Rodimus Prime said:
Umm standard picture USED BY PEOPLE HERE as such not exactly valid. Just people backing apple saying Apple is right.

Also that is ONE image of the phone. ONE IMAGE copy it does not make. As knight pointed out Marketing is marketing and they are known to bend the truth. Apple being one of the worse at down right near lieing more than once in the past.

In court it is safe to saw a judge will throw out Apple case in the end as when you look at more than JUST the app draw the entire case falls apart..
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it's also the standard image on samsungs own site for the phone.......

it's funny that HTC's and Motorola's marketing doesn't make their phones look like the iPhone. if samsung had actually put more effort to make the design look different enough to the iphone, both in the view from the front and the app drawer, like the other companies did, then this wouldn't be happening. it's just lazy designing from samsung. Marketing is an extremely valid issue here as it affect sales and profits, this affects IP as well as business

the fact the judge has granted access means that there is enough in there to support the claim. so even a judge thinks they look enough alike....
 
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andythursby said:
it's also the standard image on samsungs own site for the phone.......

it's funny that HTC's and Motorola's marketing doesn't make their phones look like the iPhone. if samsung had actually put more effort to make the design look different enough to the iphone, both in the view from the front and the app drawer, like the other companies did, then this wouldn't be happening. it's just lazy designing from samsung

the fact the judge has granted access means that there is enough in there to support the claim. so even a judge thinks they look enough alike....
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Marketing is Marketing. Not exactly coping. Also again it is only one of the many images Samsung provided. Of course the fanboys are going to jump on it.

Also the judge saying hand it over means that there is enough evidence to warrant some fact finding for Apple lawyers but chances are that all they got was that tells me even the judge thinks it is a weak case and in court it will never hold up.

Remember what it required to get a fact finding mission is a hell of a lot less than to prove the case in court. End result is Apple will loose and I hope in this one they have to pay samsung legal bills for being frevolus.
If you would OMG use the phone for a min it you would quickly see that it is nothing like the iPhone. but fanboys be fanboys and just hope on the one image do any minor amount of us and BOOM you are fine.

Also knight provided images of what you see of touchwiz phones in the US and they do not look much like the iPhone at all.
Marketing is marketing not valid. Use it. Marketing lies. I am sorry to see that you are grasping at straws to make your case
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Marketing is Marketing. Not exactly coping. Also again it is only one of the many images Samsung provided. Of course the fanboys are going to jump on it.

If you would OMG use the phone for a min it you would quickly see that it is nothing like the iPhone. but fanboys be fanboys and just hope on the one image do any minor amount of us and BOOM you are fine.

Also knight provided images of what you see of touchwiz phones in the US and they do not look much like the iPhone at all.
Marketing is marketing not valid. Use it. Marketing lies. I am sorry to see that you are grasping at straws to make your case
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i used the phone, and yea, it's nothing like the iPhone, it was awful, slow, sluggish and crashed. but to the general public, who would not easily tell the difference as they're not even remotely tech minded (cos over here some networks did not have samsung written on the front), or just can't afford the £200 for an iPhone, but the samsung galaxy s is going for free, then it's a very valid issue. Samsung have knowingly marketed the Galaxy S looking like the iPhone. As i said, even on Samsungs own site, the Galaxy S is in the list with the app drawer shown as a main screen. joe public have no idea what an app drawer is and just assume that it's the home screen.

you're basing your opinion of your own biased, tech minded point of view and not lookin at the big picture. Which is why the judge granted access, as opposed to just saying no. If a judge didn't think this would hold up, why waste time, effort and money? lol, your logic there is baffling

Plus marketing lies just leads to legal cases. Just like this one....
 
andythursby said:
i used the phone, and yea, it's nothing like the iPhone, it was awful, slow, sluggish and crashed. but to the general public, who would not easily tell the difference as they're not even remotely tech minded (cos over here some networks did not have samsung written on the front), or just can't afford the £200 for an iPhone, but the samsung galaxy s is going for free, then it's a very valid issue. Samsung have knowingly marketed the Galaxy S looking like the iPhone. As i said, even on Samsungs own site, the Galaxy S is in the list with the app drawer shown as a main screen. joe public have no idea what an app drawer is and just assume that it's the home screen.

you're basing your opinion of your own biased, tech minded point of view and not lookin at the big picture. Which is why the judge granted access, as opposed to just saying no. If a judge didn't think this would hold up, why waste time, effort and money? lol, your logic there is baffling
Plus marketing lies just leads to legal cases. Just like this one....
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Where are you getting free they were and are released at the same price so that fails. The phone people here claim it is coping is price less so that argument fails.
On top of that most stores have demo you can use and look at to see how far it is removed. The remember the judge will have the physical units in his hand. The apple has to prove its case with the units. The marketing not going to be valid in court.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Where are you getting free they were and are released at the same price so that fails. The phone people here claim it is coping is price less so that argument fails.
On top of that most stores have demo you can use and look at to see how far it is removed. The remember the judge will have the physical units in his hand. The apple has to prove its case with the units. The marketing not going to be valid in court.
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Nope, in the UK, Carphone warehouse had the Galaxy S free on launch and it still is to this day on pretty much all networks here and the Galaxy S2 will be free on launch too, so how does that fail? lol.

lots of people order phones online these days, plus not everyone in the world has actually handled an iPhone, just seen photos, etc. As i said, i know a few people that saw the galaxy S and mistook it for an iPhone. You're being quite narrowminded, the general public aren't as technical minded as people on here.
 
andythursby said:
Nope, in the UK, Carphone warehouse had the Galaxy S free on launch and it still is to this day on pretty much all networks here and the Galaxy S2 will be free on launch too, so how does that fail? lol.

lots of people order phones online these days, plus not everyone in the world has actually handled an iPhone, just seen photos, etc. As i said, i know a few people that saw the galaxy S and mistook it for an iPhone. You're being quite narrowminded, the general public aren't as technical minded as people on here.
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Case is in the US also retail pricing matters not carrier and i believe over I. The ththeu multiple carries are selling thee iPhone for free so back to same or greater price. The fact that the case is not filled in the eu should tell you something apple knows its case is weak.

Also marketing material is not relevant in the case. Apple has to prove it with the PHYSICAL DEVICE. As you so nicely pointed out it is complete different when you use it. That is were apple entire case falls appart. They have to prove it with the physical devices of produces released or will be released in the US. That is were it falls apart.

The G2S that you will see in Europe it is safe to saw that we will not see that design in the US. Same OS but different hardware design.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Case is in the US also retail pricing matters not carrier and i believe over I. The ththeu multiple carries are selling thee iPhone for free so back to same or greater price. The fact that the case is not filled in the eu should tell you something apple kncase is weak.
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ok half that post doesn't make sense, do you want to go back and rewrite it?

the case isn't filed in the EU as the patent for the IP is in the US..... and as for the iPhone being free on multiple carriers, it's only on the high end tariffs, unlike the Galaxy S which is free and the S2, well in the UK at least is free, i'm not going around every carrier in every country in the EU to see, but it's a good enough example.
 
Dayam, nice to see all the Apple haters on today!

Have I logged onto SamsungRumors.com by accident???

I'm assuming that on that alternate universe forum they are all berating Samsung for copying Apple.
 
bushido said:
now its all of the sudden about how it was marketed? i thought they copied the freakin design, i have yet to see how the galaxy s is supposed to look like an iphone. u clearly havent seen a galaxy s out in the wild, i have an iPhone 4 and it looks nothing like a friends galaxy s which is a lot thinner, bigger screan, has a completely different back, the buttons r on the other side and all thats similiar is the freakin home button which isnt even the same shape and is used by many other manufacturers at the same spot. it might be "inspired" by the iPhone but seriously, which smartphone isnt. apple is just pissed that the galaxy is selling rather well in asia and europe

but whatever, its not like i'm being sued.

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That's just ugly.
 
andythursby said:
but for exactly the same reason? that HTC phones look just like a cheap knockoff of the iPhone? No. lol. nice that you take my quote out of context........ you're just embarrassing yourself now.
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Actually, yes, they are suing for UI patents in the iPhone, including some multi-touch patents. It seems that Sense UI is also a rip-off and a blatant copy according to Apple. :rolleyes:

And I'm embarassing myself... Why don't you go read up on this stuff BEFORE you try to post about it. It'll save both of us some time.
 
First off, just because someone feels that Apple's claims easily have merit does not make them a Fanboy. I don't like everything that Apple makes or does. I happen to feel that Apple is a bit heavy-handed in some cases and a bit controlling in others. Where Apple is proven to violate another company's IP, they need to be held to the same standards as everyone else... I'm totally fine with that – that's the way it should be.

It seems to me more people who just love to bash Apple no matter what they do.

All you need is eyes to see that Samsung clearly took some liberties with SOME of their UI designs to mimic Apple. I don't think that anyone claimed that an entire device was copied front to back. No i'm not a judge, but I'm pretty confident that Apple's arguments have legitimate merit and they will prevail in court. Time will tell.

I have asked this of Apple haters before... Show me ONE phone that is like like the iPhone (or the multitude of multi-touch phones that have come along since) that pre-dates the iPhone.

The only one that anyone has ever brought forward was the LG Prada which does not in fact pre-date the iPhone. A photo was unofficially leaked, but it was not officially publicly shown until after the iPhone was announced and shown, even then all LG did was show a photo and talk about it.

Furthermore, the Prada does not look or operate like the iPhone.

Show me a phone that PRE-DATES the iPhone that has ALL of these features in one design... the same approximate size, thickness, with the front almost entirely being a hi-res colour touch screen display and hardly any physical buttons, no physical keyboard, Multi-Touch display using fingers NOT a stylus. Finger gestures such as swiping to switch between pages of applications, interface elements that appear on screen when required and disappear when they're not.

Show me one... Didn't think so.

How many mobile devices are out there now that have everyone of of those features all wrapped up in a package that is very similar to the original iPhone?

Now before anyone starts getting all pissy, I am in no way suggesting that Apple go after everyone and their brother, they shouldn't. I'm not saying that Apple invents everything that is cool. I'm simply saying that give credit where credit is due.

The very same companies that criticized Apple when they premiered the iPhone saying that it would fail due to few physical buttons, no physical keyboard, it was too big, too heavy, too expensive, it had an enclosed battery, etc, are all now making nearly the very same thing. They weren't interested in doing anything like it until they realized that Apple had hit a home run.

Again, give credit where credit is due. You Apple haters go on and on about Apple fanboys, yet your'e far worse.
 
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Bilbo63 said:
First off, just because someone feels that Apple's claims easily have merit does not make them a Fanboy.
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There's a difference between saying the claims have merit and outright saying Samsung stole Apple's design blatantly.

Notice how all this time, I've closed many of my own posts the same way :

This can go either way in court. There are various differences that make it not so blatant and bring it more into the realm of subtlety. In the end, it's in the judges hands.

Bilbo63 said:
It seems to me more people who just love to bash Apple no matter what they do.
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So wait, people who say Apple has merit in their claims aren't fanboys, but people saying that the case isn't so one-sided are haters that bash Apple no matter what they do ? Double standards much Mr. High Ground ? Never in these threads on this subject have I bashed Apple. I have simply stated the same thing over and over :

This is not a case of blatant copying. This thing can go either way. The phones, while they might look in the same in some cherry picked shots, also bear quite a few notable differences that makes this a subject of opinion, not fact, until a judgment is issued.

Bilbo63 said:
The only one that anyone has ever brought forward was the LG Prada which does not in fact pre-date the iPhone. It was announced but not shown a few months before the iPhone was announced and shopwn. The Prada was never publicly shown until after the iPhone was announced and shown.
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I'm not a Apple hater (care to name names of you you're calling hater here ?), but I'll grant your wish :

http://mobile.engadget.com/2006/12/15/the-lg-ke850-touchable-chocolate/

Look at the date.
 
What is Samsung doing? Why would they say they are unconcerned? Will this help the lawsuit? Or make Apple madder?
 
KnightWRX said:
http://mobile.engadget.com/2006/12/15/the-lg-ke850-touchable-chocolate/

Look at the date.
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Yes, you are blind to think that looks anything like an iPhone 4. More importantly, an iPhone 4 wasn't designed specifically to resemble an LG Prada. Apple didn't depend on LG Prada-like looks to sell the iPhone 4. The idea of resemblance and trade dress is Apple's major point of contention here.

Regarding the Apple-hater comment, KnightWRX - your posts do seem to follow a predictable trend.. I'll avoid any specific labels to avoid a continued, tired debate along this vector.
 
neko girl said:
Yes, you are blind to think that looks anything like an iPhone 4. More importantly, an iPhone 4 wasn't designed specifically to resemble an LG Prada. Apple didn't depend on LG Prada-like looks to sell the iPhone 4. The idea of resemblance and trade dress is Apple's major point of contention here.
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Now where did I say that looked like an iPhone 4 ? :rolleyes:

He said the Prada didn't appear before the iPhone, I simply provided the evidence of the contrary he wanted. LG had no cues from Apple when they designed their phone. All touch-screen phones are not something Apple came up with, they just are something the industry naturally moved to.

Some might look like the iPhone, some might look like something else. Does the GS i9000/Vibrant look like a 3GS ? It has a few similarities (shape, "a bevel" even though the color is off, the speaker at the top having the same rough shape if not size), but it also has quite a few differences. And those similarities are found in older Samsung models, so are they really iPhone rip-offs or just a continuation of designs Samsung already did ?

Questions for the court right there, nothing anyone here can answer factually. Anyone that tries to pass off their commentary on this whole thing as anything but opinion is dead wrong.
 
@KnightWRX, Sammy's history of KIRFing Nokia and Blackberry phones might point to a simple answer to the Apple-Samsung dispute.
 
KnightWRX...

I don't recall singling you out even once. No need to get ugly. It's not like I'm getting all pissed off and miserable about this. If that's the way that I am coming across, it's not intended that way. It's nothing for me to all worked up about, I don't own any Apple stock. (Although I wish that I did).

I have been repeatedly called a fanboy simply because I feel Apple has merit. That's all that I'm saying.

And as far as feeling that Samsung blatantly copied Apple in some of their phones... Yup that's my opinion, that's how I feel.

I feel that Apple gets next to no credit by some of you, (not anyone in particular, I pay little attention to screen names) for helping shape a new generation of mobile devices that we are all enjoying.

Cheers
 
PlipPlop said:
The sooner Apple realise they cant stop the power of Android the better. If they spent less time trying to sue people they might have been able to make iOS have decent notifications and widgets. :rolleyes:
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LOL. You do realize Bruce and Apple Legal exist on their own Continent. Apple Legal in no way inhibits R&D cash flow. :apple:
 
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