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... Could've played it safe like Apple and release the same phone for three years, ...

You can say that with a straight face? :eek:
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Anyone curious why it seems like there has been more Samsung news than Mac news on MR?

The past few weeks have been non-stop Samsung rumors. Usually Apple is mentioned in the articles too, but not this one. At least this one isn't front page.

It's not _more_ news, it's ongoing news of the same story. Samsung _really_ screwed up! Karma bites!
 
Actually innovation can be risky. Could've played it safe like Apple and release the same phone for three years, but I'd rather they push the boundary.

This is a proactive move, which will instill confidence in consumers that Samsung are taking this seriously. Very good.

They've learned a sharp lesson and it will hopefully improve their products going forward.
This has nothing to do with..Lost hope in humanity...

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Actually innovation can be risky. Could've played it safe like Apple and release the same phone for three years, but I'd rather they push the boundary.

This is a proactive move, which will instill confidence in consumers that Samsung are taking this seriously. Very good.

They've learned a sharp lesson and it will hopefully improve their products going forward.

This has nothing to do with innovation and all to do with lax Q/A. Every manufacturer that uses lithium batteries in their products include circuitry to avoid runaway battery meltdown. If you examine the exploded phones you will notice all the areas where that circuitry exist are intact. Meaning they failed.
 
I can see customers like this..

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It's a brilliant strategy really. Someone finds out their Note is a potential bomb in their daily life might survey the options and decide to go with one of the competitors. Someone who is about to board a flight and is told that they have to dump their cell if they wish to do so "or, you can wander over there and swap it for another Samsung" will likely breath a sigh of relief and stay with the company. Brilliant.
 
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There is a HUGE difference between innovation and stupidity. What Samsung did rushing a product without properly testing it in order to boost sales is the exact opposite of innovation. The time to test phones and take safety seriously is before the phone is released to the general public, not after tons of your phones have caught fire and are outlawed on flights.
And the difference is in the results.

Something is innovative if it works and stupid when it doesn't.

History is written by the victors.
 
It's a brilliant strategy really. Someone finds out their Note is a potential bomb in their daily life might survey the options and decide to go with one of the competitors. Someone who is about to board a flight and is told that they have to dump their cell if they wish to do so "or, you can wander over there and swap it for another Samsung" will likely breath a sigh of relief and stay with the company. Brilliant.
Nah
The brilliance is suppose to come before the fiasco, thus eliminating the need for a kiosk.
In this case the "brilliance" was literal, a firebomb.
 
Sergio Quintana, I haven't seen that name in over 15 years. I sold him some amateur news video footage that I shot of a interstate highway bridge collapse back in 2000. Now, one of his tweets appears in my MacRumors newsfeed. Small world.
 
Reasons to worry about their next generation phone too:

1. If they rushed the engineering on the Note 7 just for release timing vs. the iPhone 7, they have FAR more need to rush the engineering and cut corners this time. They need a replacement in the market ASAP, and they’ve shown themselves more than willing to shoot themselves in the foot on bad gambles.

2. They still don’t know what is causing the fires. Reports started in August, and they still don’t know what they did wrong and how not to do it again. (They blamed a battery source—wrongly unless the phone has TWO separate fire issues.)

3. Even with their brand and customer lives on the line, they rushed testing and development of the replacement Note 7 beyond all belief. Hardware engineering takes longer than that.

4. With the “fixed” replacements, they either knew they hadn’t solved it and shipped anyway (unlikely), or they didn’t even know, and just ASSUMED the unkown problem would somehow stop. Dangerous incompetence at a minimum. Will they ever truly understand the cause, or just think they do? Will they ever “just assume” again?

5. They have at times focused on limiting what the public knows, over and above solving the problem and saving people from injury or death. Even to the point of preventing their investigators from effectively collaborating by requiring them to communicate offline so as to leave no record. Even to the point of getting caught trying to “slow him down” when communicating with a customer they just put in the hospital.

These are all signs of a fundamentally broken process that is probably harder to solve than the fires themselves. In that case, Samsung WILL still have decent phones in future... and they will also have disasters. They are leaving too much to chance when they ought to know better.

Any company could have a few bad units, and physics says: those things can burn! But NOT just any company can have so MANY fires per unit sold, fumble the recall, keep burning people with the replacement, and months later still not know why it happens.

P.S. Does it seem like the new ones were catching fire MORE often than the old ones, relative to fewer of them being out and for far fewer days?
 
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Actually innovation can be risky. Could've played it safe like Apple and release the same phone for three years, but I'd rather they push the boundary.

This is a proactive move, which will instill confidence in consumers that Samsung are taking this seriously. Very good.

They've learned a sharp lesson and it will hopefully improve their products going forward.

I get you're a troll but Please wear a helmet at all times, for your own safety.

The iPhone has been and currently is a beautiful piece of hardware and software. If we are comparing apple to Samsung. They really don't have to try that hard anymore. Samsung has really set a new standard for ****. As long as your phone doesn't catch on fire and then get banned from all airplane travel you have topped Samsung.
 
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Actually innovation can be risky. Could've played it safe like Apple and release the same phone for three years, but I'd rather they push the boundary.

This is a proactive move, which will instill confidence in consumers that Samsung are taking this seriously. Very good.

They've learned a sharp lesson and it will hopefully improve their products going forward.


This is ridiculous to say! Yes, innovation can be risky but the only reason this phone was released and the reason it has the issues it has is because they rushed to bring it to market before the iPhone 7 was introduced. This is what happens when stupidity comes into play.
 
Because it's an important story in the tech world.

Not really. Its a tech site that happens to be named MacRumors.
The front page articles have typically been Apple-centric ones on macrumors.com.

Also, I was talking about the large number of Samsung relate articles to Apple related. Most of the other ones at least mentioned Apple, and how whatever Samsung news was being reported affected Apple. This one did not.

Does this look like a rumor to you?
I was not necessarily referring to this article. Also, I was mixing news and rumors together.
 

China guy just happens to be outside on bare ground where a burning device would not cause damage. Just happens to have a friend who starts filming. And is wealthy enough (or getting paid enough) to turn down what is probably two month's wages.

Okay, all that's possible.

But Samsung already recalled his device in China last week, so he should've turned it in for a refund or exchange.

Moreover, instead of taking the compensation money from Samsung, he quit his job (what?!) and has gone on the road showing off and getting tests done on his burned phone, a trip being paid for and covered by Chinese Central Television.

It all smacks of another unsubtle Chinese government propaganda program against foreign products, same as the hatchet jobs they've done against Apple, Kentucky Fried, Starbucks, etc.
 
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Actually innovation can be risky. Could've played it safe like Apple and release the same phone for three years, but I'd rather they push the boundary.

This is a proactive move, which will instill confidence in consumers that Samsung are taking this seriously.
While you're right this is a good move by Samsung in response to their catastrophic development failure, the risk inherent in innovation does not (and should not) include "mass market consumer product that explodes". The risk is supposed to be of business failure--of making a product that people don't actually want, or aren't ready for yet, or at worst doesn't work as well as you hoped it would.

If you're building a vehicle to launch explorers to Mars, a 0.1% chance of the thing exploding may be an acceptable case of "doesn't work as well as you hoped it would", because it's an inherently dangerous and edge-of-human-capability endeavor.

If you're building a million phones that people are going to carry in their pockets 8 hours a day, including on crowded planes, a 0.01% chance of the thing exploding isn't the risk of innovation, because the product is assumed to be inherently safe, regardless of function--it's a complete failure in engineering.
 
So... locations inside airports where suspects working under the direction of a foreign organization are conspiring to cache large quantities of known dangerous devices... How long before the TSA surrounds these "booths" and starts lobbing tear gas and making demands over bullhorns?
 
On a Delta flight this morning to Atlanta; they announced prominently that these phones are prohibited and to see a flight attendant immediately if you are in possession of one. Very embarrassing reminder to every passenger for Samsung over the loudspeaker on every domestic flight.

Hard to imagine worse continual negative publicity.

I know it's been said a million times...but just imagine if this was an iPhone.
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Actually innovation can be risky. Could've played it safe like Apple and release the same phone for three years, but I'd rather they push the boundary.

This is a proactive move, which will instill confidence in consumers that Samsung are taking this seriously. Very good.

They've learned a sharp lesson and it will hopefully improve their products going forward.

What are you talking about? Look at the Galaxy S3/4/5, they're practically all the same exact phone.

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S6/7

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The evolution of this phone over 5 years is ridiculously subtle. I can't believe you'd even attempt a statement like yours.

This was anything but proactive, they had to be forced into an official recall, they didn't even try to work with the authorities for almost a month.
 
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Great idea for those dumb enough to still be carrying this ticking time bomb of a phone with them.

What about people that are on extended vacation/business trips that got caught in-between the ban? I've read stories where people had to discard new phones with no way to get credit/exchanges. As bad as Samsung has been during the botched recall, this is finally something good on their part.
 
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