Need to have that cough looked at
Nest thermostat: invented 2010.
Samsung watch input with rotating bezel and digital crown: patented 2006. (see post #25)
Indeed. And pilot's watches.
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Need to have that cough looked at
Nest thermostat: invented 2010.
Samsung watch input with rotating bezel and digital crown: patented 2006. (see post #25)
Indeed. And pilot's watches.
I don't think anyone is calling is new. What is "new" these days?
The issue is people are saying it's copying Apple. Ludicrous, at best.
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kdarling's doing great work here. +1 for your informative and educational posts. All well said. Those people you're responding to should be embarrassed.
It's, mostly, an Apple Fanboy forum.. what else would you expect ?
A bunch of butt/ego hurt fanboys doing what they do best.. so what if it's unfounded and ignorant ( as kdarling has proven ]
Well, it is round. Oh wait, they are copying LG.
In anycase, its another watch i have no interest in as i have no interest in any of them.
Apple copied it from Samsung's radial menu. Anyhow, the rotating bezel is a lot smarter UI input than a tiny crown.
Strikes what exactly?
Samsung has put out like 5 smartwatch/wearable devices long before the Apple Watch was even available.
So what is it you think Samsung is doing?
My point was that it doesn't matter how good Samsung's hardware is, their software will inevitably ruin the experience. Unfortunately, mine is a work issued phone, so I don't have the "freedom" that most android users have to tinker with their phones, so I'm stuck with it.
Yeah, I thought that too, rotating watch bezels have been around for years and years and years? Nothing new about them what so ever, Apple did not invent them or the smart watch or the watch itself or the crown!
Why make a thread implying Samsung has copied Apple when it's done nothing of the sort?
Ah here we go, a quick google and an article talking about the dive watch rotating bezel from 1953 (was Steve Jobs even born then?) and talks how the idea was around long before then:
http://www.watchtime.com/blog/dive-watch-wednesday-how-the-rotating-bezel-landed-on-the-dive-watch/
Damn those clever Samsung people and their time machines stealing ideas from history
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In what way? Seems like on a small device like a watch doing something with just a bit of movement from one finger can be seen as simpler and better than needing to use more fingers and muscles to turn something bigger.
It's not hard to visualize. For one, a bigger bezel dial is more precise (imagine your car steering wheel being much smaller). And, the ergonomics are better as you can simultaneously operate the dial with thumb, use index finger for screen touch input and middle finger for depressing crown button.
On the Apple Watch you have to use thumb and index or maybe just index to operating the crown so a lot of moving index back and forth between crown and screen to operate. Also, depressing the crown button can falsely register a turn which makes it a flawed input choice. Ives should be ashamed especially with his arrogance since a child can design a better UI input.
Not sure what's to be ashamed about simply because some people disagree about what could be better. Seems like many are using the watch just fine and many of them are even enjoying it.
1. Samsung bought Loop Pay, which predates Apple Pay's name. Using your simplistic standards, Apple copied them.
2. "Samsung Wallet" was already used for something else.
Reminds me of any pilot or diving or other watch with a rotating bezel. As for scrolling...
Yep, the latest Android Wear update is much smarter: it optionally scrolls up or down by flicking your wrist. Perfect for one-armed use.
For that matter, I think we should be able to do everything without needing a second hand. Perhaps look for a wrist flex hand up/down motion or even sense different finger tendons.
Good idea, and I think Samsung patented that for a watch bezel years ago. For that matter, back around 2000, everyone was patenting watch bezel inputs. HP, IBM, Palm, Microsoft, Samsung, you name it. Smartwatches were hot back then, but the technology wasn't quite ripe.
Neither Samsung's current rotating bezel, nor Apple's digital crown, are new or non-obvious ideas.
Good point. I'll see you and raise you a 2006 priority date Samsung patent that predates even the iPhone, much less the Apple Watch eight years later.
It contains BOTH a rotating bezel, AND a freely rotating / pushbutton digital crown that was used to scroll through list choices... sound familiar?
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That patent explicitly states that "the second input means may take a form of the stem of an analog wristwatch."
I mean, talk about prior art...
Man, it never ceases to amaze me when the freaking morons come out of the woodwork to accuse Samsung of copying Apple, even in the face of common sense and facts. Like the idiots who thought the S6 copied the iphone 6, 2 completely different looking phones.
As for the rotating bezel, it's neat but I have to see the implementation. Apple's implementation is an effort to simplify, but in that effort complicates the UI. Many of the things which should be done on the touchscreen are made more difficult with the crown button. Just using it to zoom (how can you selectively zoom on one portion of the picture, map etc?) and scroll will be redundant. But maybe Samsung has something novel up it's sleeve. After seeing the atrocity that is the Apple watch it is refreshing to see Samsung constantly innovating instead of just rehashing the same designs over and over again.
Actually, Samsung stole that from XDA forum members of the Paranoid Android team that had it in their ROM's. It was called Pie Control and it dates back to at least 2012. Other ROM's incorporated it as well, and then Samsung started using it.
I'm not bothered who copies what off who. I wish they would all copy the best bits from other manufacturers because that way we would end up with the very best we can get, the only choice problem would be as to which company we prefer. Those that constantly whine about one company copying another need to get out more, it is very childish.
Could not agree more. If they all copy from each other and create great products.....then we all benefit from that.
The history of radial menus dates back to at least 1969, where the PIXIE system is generally regarded as the first to demonstrate them.
I knew about them by 1980 for sure, and by 1986 even Sim City had them:
They seem to get rediscovered once in a while, especially when someone is using fingers or pens as a UI interface.
One of their advantages, is that muscle memory (instead of sight) can be used to quickly pick well-known options, if they stay in the same broad angular sections.
I was referring specifically to the half dial UI that PA made famous in the ROM community. I realize dial UI's had been around for a while, but this a very specific half dial menu operation Paranoid ANdroid created and it was nearly a clone on Samsung. That was my point.
I completely disagree. Competition and options it's good obviously, but when one company is not doing its due diligence in research and development and is merely stealing ideas from another company, it almost guarantees that they will end up making a poor product with an immature ecosystem. It also discourages players from investing as much themselves and pressures them to rush to market, knowing that others are busy copying their idea. That is detrimental to the consumer not beneficial.
I actually have to give Microsoft props in this area... Their metro interface was abysmal but at least they tried something different from what was out there. They tried to tackle the 2-in-1 concept in a way that nobody else had as well. They missed the mark on both counts, but they had the right approach, and ultimately that strategy is more likely to benefit us and them.
Look at the automotive industry. Features are copied from one another all the time and we all benefit from that practice. The mobile space is no different. Features from one OEM's product eventually show up on other competing products. The consumer comes out the winner. Apple and Samsung ( and the Android platform) borrowed features from each other. The consumer ends up with a more feature rich product.
Didn't the owner of cyanogen work at samsung and was one of the main guys working on TouchWiz?
His job status on his fb was software engineer at samsung for a while