A folding display is innovative, I'm not sure why you're arguing its not.
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Samsung Still Has No Idea When the Galaxy Fold Will Launch
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If this is Samsung swinging for the fences, it's a huge strike out. Wanting a ball to be a home run didn't matter if you can't get it there. We don't award business points for intentions.
Samsung was probably already ramping up production by the time the review units went out. That means they have to scrap anything that came off the line and rework the line for whatever hack they need to do to get the display to be stable.
I'd guess that means it'll be shipping in early July.
I'd guess that means it'll be shipping in early July.
No question, and these issues caught them flat footed. I think their testing failed to test real world usages, not just robotic closings x number of times.
It’s a display on a hinge that folds like a book and the product doesn’t work.
Face ID is a good example of cutting edge technology being implemented in a way that it complements the device, rather than being a feature that detracts from the user experience.
I guess I draw a distinction between innovation that is meaningful, and otherwise.
So at the end of the day, the most innovative concept is moot if you can't get it to work.
I also don't think that a folding device is a great user experience at all. This isn't a phone that you can unfold into a tablet when you need a bigger screen, because the phone aspect of the galaxy fold clearly sucks. Rather, I see it as a tablet that you pretty much have to unfold every time you want to use it (and then have to fold again in order to keep it). To me, this looks like something which will get very annoying very quickly.
Samsung is basically trying to con everyone into paying $2k for a small android tablet by marketing it as a smartphone.
I feel that where screens are concerned, AR glasses represent the future, not folding phones (or tablets, depending on how you look at it).
Yeah very innovative...when your not using it.
When you are it’s just a tablet..without the apps
Yup very innovative indeed.
And that had some significant issues, and wasn't all that consistent when it rolled out. Apple ironed out the bugs, and issues, and its working much better. I expect Samsung to finally find out the issue with
I suspect that if, or when, Apple rolls out a folding phone you'll not be saying its a display on a hinge but exclaiming the virtuals of a foldable phone. Because its Samsung and not Apple, many people here seem to have an issue
And the breeze in bleachers was fantastic.
Too bad the ball went foul.
I don’t even believe Samsung knows right now indefinitely, and to be honest, they really shouldn’t be putting a date on it until it’s been through R&D testing thoroughly/and tweaked.
Some seem to have the misunderstanding that Samsung shouldn’t have been the first with a foldable display, and Apple should have been. I don’t understand why others think it’s about being the first to, not when tech is so competitive today for what it offers between the competitors. Tech companies have to release a product that’s not also ready for mass adoption, but what makes it unique to the user experience, and for $2000, I’m not chastising the galaxy fold, but it’s initial flaws leave a very negative remark in it’s future no matter when it releases again.
You can draw a distinction, but on the internet it's irrelevant.
There is a recognized meaning for innovation, and you can't redefine that to suit your arguments.
Too bad they just quietly changed the world once again with the Airpods.
Agree. Earliest in ealry July 2020. Plastic films are plastic films, not a substrate from which one can expect miracles.
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Let me put it in another way then.
I simply don't care for the sort of innovation that Samsung offers, because I don't see the value in it. Maybe others do, and may they get to enjoy such a device should it ever get released.
Many people here have an issue with the fact it doesn't work, not that Samsung released it. Whether or not its form factor has virtues is yet to be proven, simply because the product isn't ready for release.
I'm happy to suspend my personal incredulity about the user interface benefits of a hinged display, however to do that I would need an opportunity to try a working product. This clearly wasn't ready for release and that's what's so disappointing for a company as large and established as Samsung are.
To continue your thoughts of "if it's Samsung and not Apple", I can't help but feel a lot of the posters defending this product would be far more vocal about its failings had Apple released this half-baked mess.
There is no need for you to suspect anything.
That is exactly how the internet works (and especially in fan forums).
Nothing you can say or do will change that, so either live with it or stay of the interwebs (and especially fan forums).
Samsung display stated in their q1 filings, that they have no orders for foldable displays from any other oems.
So I guess, no one really cares or no one is going to buy foldable displays from Samsung Electronics.
Samsung display posted a loss for the quarter by the way.
Its not "innovation" to take a "flexible" OLED display (of the kind used for curved - but fixed - screens) and kludge together a foldable phone that will (a) be ridiculously thick at the hinge because the screen can't take a tight fold and (b) have a life expectancy measured in weeks, because no current screen is going to be able to take being folded and unfolded dozens of times a day for long. Oh, then stick a plastic "screen protector" film on it instead of the inconveniently inflexible toughened glass that gives most displays some sort of longevity...
Even those thin ribbon cables that connect the displays on laptops are a weak point (*cough* flexgate *cough*) and they're just a bunch of parallel conductors - far, far simpler than the microscopic, multi-layered structure of an OLED display and touch screen.
Sounds to me that a bunch of phone manufacturers got in a mutual panic because of a rumour that one of them was going to be first to market with a foldable phone, so the bosses all demanded foldable phones by yesterday without the tricky part of having to invent a truly foldable display.
(*Huawei tried to hide this by putting the display on the outside - as if that isn't going to have the lifespan of a donut in a police station...)
In other news, you could have had a personal jetpack in the 1960s if a flight time of 30 seconds and a risk of severely scorched/scalded extremities met your needs... Or you can have a self-driving car today if you don't mind keeping your hands on the steering wheel at all times and staying as alert as you would be when driving yourself...
I can’t imagine how they’re “fixing” the display.
At this stage in the production cycle where they were a few months away from launch they’d surely have a mass inventory of ready to ship sealed phones. How are they fixing these?
This time is probably the Samsung finance and PR teams working frantically with the legal team to try determine a cost benefit analysis on the backlash of releasing a faulty product vs dumping all the ready to go stock.
At this stage in the production cycle where they were a few months away from launch they’d surely have a mass inventory of ready to ship sealed phones. How are they fixing these?
This time is probably the Samsung finance and PR teams working frantically with the legal team to try determine a cost benefit analysis on the backlash of releasing a faulty product vs dumping all the ready to go stock.
It can be the most innovative product in the world but if it doesn't work it's useless.
Each unit obviously will have to be re-tweaked, they’re not going to scrap all these completed manufactured units that were ready to ship. If you think about the logistics, they’ll have recall all the shipped units, replace the parts that are necessary to do so, then opt for R&D testing on the device(s), then the device would have to be repackaged before being sent out to distributors... again.
I’d say this is one of the biggest nightmare scenarios for any tech company that has to basically recall a product that was sitting at warehouse, “ready” for distribution and now they have to spend copious amounts of money to basically revamp the product.
Apple have no right to be smug about this Samsung setback given their own painfully drawn out and embarrassing failure to deliver a charging mat.
Which begs the question:
If it has to be recalled for system failure, is it innovation?
This is so hypocritical...
Samsung releases a 2,000 plus $ phone of which the 1,000$ is pretty much just for the folding feature, that it also doesnt have a HEADPHONE JACK (you know the absolute must have feature of 2019)!!
Everyone celebrates and justifies pricing, no headphone jack is suddenly ok, everything is rainbows and butterflies.
Said phone eventually breaks after 2 days of use and it is revealed that the damn thing has a QA standard that is laughable at best. Company decides to cancel the release until further notice with no end in sight.
Yet everyone still somehow praises the company for "innovating"... in some ridiculous way to these people innovation is releasing some crap that is far from being ready just for bragging rights...
Are you ****ing kidding me? I mean there is hypocrisy and then there is this... I cant even understand how some people have the nerve to be such hypocrites and think that no one will notice them...
I would love to be in an alternate timeline in which apple released the fold and had all these issues samsung one has. Just to witness these same people complete mental breakdown and mockery...
Hypocrites.