Samsung Teases New Foldable Smartphones Set to Debut at August 10 'Unpacked' Event

[MacBH928]

I get that, but what happened to Steve Jobs Wayne Gretsky puck quote “Skate to where the puck is going, not where it has been.” At this moment in time with phones, Samsung are moving to where the Puck is going, not Apple.

There is only one Steve Jobs, that guy did not see where the puck is going that guy told the puck where to go. Tim does not have that ability all he has is to milk Steve's road map. Look at what steve jobs did:-

• OS X
• iPods
• iPhone
• iOS
• iPad
• Mac Mini
• iMac
• iTunes Store (digital media was not a thing before this)
• The Mac itself

Lots of historically transforming products that changed the people's culture. I doubt Tim can do this. I will give Tim the credit of M1 though, thats a really nice advancement. I would give him the Apple Watch too but I believe that was probably in the pipe-line since Steve's time.

None the less, they are aiming for where the puck goes with streaming tv service, games, a rumored electric car, digital finance, and they succeeded with iCloud which is paid online storage... will it succeed or not that is to be seen.

 

[Abazigal]

I get that, but what happened to Steve Jobs Wayne Gretsky puck quote “Skate to where the puck is going, not where it has been.” At this moment in time with phones, Samsung are moving to where the Puck is going, not Apple.

My observation is that Apple is betting on wearables (apple watch and the rumoured Apple glasses) while Samsung seems to be doubling down on smartphones because they know they have no hope of matching Apple in that space.

So one could argue that Apple only appears like they don’t seem to be doing much in the smartphone space because they are busy laying down the foundation in other areas.

 

[darngooddesign]

I get that, but what happened to Steve Jobs Wayne Gretsky puck quote “Skate to where the puck is going, not where it has been.” At this moment in time with phones, Samsung are moving to where the Puck is going, not Apple.

If you get that, you wouldn't ask why Apple isn't taking chances like they used to.

 

[snipr125]

If you get that you wouldn't ask why Apple isn't taking chances like they used to.

I suppose things have changed a bit for Apple under Tim Cook as nicely explained by MacBH928

 

[darngooddesign]

I suppose things have changed a bit for Apple under Tim Cook as nicely explained by MacBH928

Yep. And everyone has complained themselves into this situation. Tim Cook knows that despite people claiming they want true innovation from Apple, they actually aren't willing to accept the teething pains that come with innovation.

#wegetwhatwedeserve-gate.

 

[Abazigal]

There is only one Steve Jobs, that guy did not see where the puck is going that guy told the puck where to go. Tim does not have that ability all he has is to milk Steve's road map. Look at what steve jobs did:-

• OS X
• iPods
• iPhone
• iOS
• iPad
• Mac Mini
• iMac
• iTunes Store (digital media was not a thing before this)
• The Mac itself

Lots of historically transforming products that changed the people's culture. I doubt Tim can do this. I will give Tim the credit of M1 though, thats a really nice advancement. I would give him the Apple Watch too but I believe that was probably in the pipe-line since Steve's time.

None the less, they are aiming for where the puck goes with streaming tv service, games, a rumored electric car, digital finance, and they succeeded with iCloud which is paid online storage... will it succeed or not that is to be seen.

I feel that Tim Cook's crowning achievement would be in building a formidable ecosystem around the iPhone. One that has greatly increase its stickiness and led to more and more people buying iPhones every year, even going so far as to continue stealing significant number of "switchers" from Android.

Perhaps by themselves, products like AirPods or TV+ don't really seem ground-breaking, but put them all together and take a step back and it's quite an immersive ecosystem Apple has built for itself over the years. I know that in 2016 alone, I bought AirPods, Apple Watch, iPad Pro and Apple Pencil and these are all products released under Tim Cook's watch.

And I think the decision to focus on the iPhone took courage, especially when it likely meant neglecting the Mac at one point in time (or at least, Apple didn't appear to be particularly enthusiastic about it). Tim Cook correctly realised that there were more iPhone users with Macs than there were Mac users with iPhones, and so decided to prioritise the former. Even when it meant angering the latter.

The strategy clearly appears to be paying off handsomely. Many people have the iPhone has their sole Apple product, meaning there is still a lot of potential to upsell them on additional Apple products and services. Which in turn means that there is still a lot of room for Apple to continue growing in the future.

I think this is where Tim Cook deserves credit. He has taken the company handed to him and brought it to ever greater heights, when it could have easily gone south in anyone else's hands. Remember how many people here were pushing for Apple to acquire Netflix, or invest in smart speakers, or even release a folding phone, or a hundred other "Apple should do X" statements that turned out to be utterly boneheaded in hindsight? It would have all too easy to make one wrong bet after another if you lost sight of what made Apple unique and just listened to the rumour mills.

I can personally think of no better person than Tim Cook to be running Apple right now, looking at the state of the other tech companies like Google, Intel, or worse, even Tesla.

 

[Ludatyk]

I may have been living under a rock but last I heard they were expensive, had manufacturing issues, the screen tears and most people do not find a use for it, its not small enough to be a phone and not large enough to be a tablet. If truth is otherwise I do not know.

Oh, they definitely are expensive.

Have to take into account the engineering of the hinge, two pair of displays with one being foldable., in addition to the displays... both have 120hz, the amount of camera tech.. one on the outer display, another on the inner display and three on the main camera. And then there's stylus support.

I cannot speak for all Fold owners experience, but my experience has been wonderful. I understand the phone aspect can be narrow (some prefer this due to the one-handed use) and I believe that’s what Samsung is addressing with the Fold 4, but not being large enough for a tablet... that’s all subjective. And then you have to consider there’s an option to use Samsung DeX… if you want a different computing experience.

My observation is that Apple is betting on wearables (apple watch and the rumoured Apple glasses) while Samsung seems to be doubling down on smartphones because they know they have no hope of matching Apple in that space.

My guess Apple is betting on making a car instead of putting their chips into wearables. The overseer of the Apple Watch moved to the Car department.

I would personally file the folding phone concept closer to curved screens (design trends which haven’t taken off) than larger screens.

Curved screens are popular in the gaming world.

 

[bobcomer]

I may have been living under a rock but last I heard they were expensive,

Pretty much the same as any other flagship level phones. They're not cheap phones.

had manufacturing issues,

I don't think so, not since the first version.

the screen tears

Mine never has and I'm on my second one. And no, I didn't get rid of the first because it broke, it was a normal upgrade type thing. I've never seen any mention of the screen tearing by anyone but people in this forum.

most people do not find a use for it,

I like being able to store it in a small space than a big phone. The screen is also quite protected when in my pocket too, so no scratches from my keys.

its not small enough to be a phone and not large enough to be a tablet.

I have the Flip phone and it's both small enough and a full size phone when I need it.

If truth is otherwise I do not know.

As someone who has had a modern flip phone, I would actually love it if I could buy a flip iphone. That should tell you something...

 

[JW5566]

These are very strange looking devices. I have only seen one folding phone in real life and I have to admit I was quite taken by it, though it could have been the novelty factor. It's academic for me as I don't really want to leave the iPhone ecosystem, but will be interested to see if they become popular. Anyway, always good to see new ideas in an age of very iterative phones.

 

[chrono1081]

I don't know. Seeing folding phones in real life they look much worse than in ad images. The crease isn't uniform, it's literally like the crease on your elbow, but on a screen.

While I appreciate trying something new, I feel like two solid panels verses one folding one is the better route.

 

[darngooddesign]

The internet:
"The fold is too thick and heavy to be a phone."

People who grew up in the 80s:

 

[M3gatron]

$1,800, 12 month life span phone...Good for Samsung! They certainly have a particular audience picked out. Maybe not the brightest, but they'll sell a few of them and can say they have a flip phone. I think it's similar to the cars that have 90% wheels that let you drive sideways. Never really caught on did they?

I don't get the nonsense joke attempts with "12 months life span" or "18 months life span" etc.,they don't make any sense. For example the Fold 3 is already 12 months old, there are no reports about these devices simply not working any more, or having any widespread problems.

 

[M3gatron]

I understand, this is an Apple forum… but at least be realistic.

You are asking too much.
Anyway taking in consideration the amount of salty comments around here its seems foldable smartphones are doing really great.

 

[M3gatron]

I may have been living under a rock but last I heard they were expensive, had manufacturing issues, the screen tears and most people do not find a use for it, its not small enough to be a phone and not large enough to be a tablet. If truth is otherwise I do not know.

Yeah you are living under a rock it seems.

 

[MacBH928]

Pretty much the same as any other flagship level phones. They're not cheap phones.


I don't think so, not since the first version.


Mine never has and I'm on my second one. And no, I didn't get rid of the first because it broke, it was a normal upgrade type thing. I've never seen any mention of the screen tearing by anyone but people in this forum.


I like being able to store it in a small space than a big phone. The screen is also quite protected when in my pocket too, so no scratches from my keys.


I have the Flip phone and it's both small enough and a full size phone when I need it.


As someone who has had a modern flip phone, I would actually love it if I could buy a flip iphone. That should tell you something...

so you are telling me that after like years of use the foldable phone screen is as smooth and as symmetrical as an iphone screen?

EDIT: I can see the bend in the screen from this video not even in real life

Yeah you are living under a rock it seems.

I can be but I am not afraid to admit I am wrong. I should look more into and see if something better than the iphone experience exists out there.

 

[MacBH928]

I feel that Tim Cook's crowning achievement would be in building a formidable ecosystem around the iPhone. One that has greatly increase its stickiness and led to more and more people buying iPhones every year, even going so far as to continue stealing significant number of "switchers" from Android.

Perhaps by themselves, products like AirPods or TV+ don't really seem ground-breaking, but put them all together and take a step back and it's quite an immersive ecosystem Apple has built for itself over the years. I know that in 2016 alone, I bought AirPods, Apple Watch, iPad Pro and Apple Pencil and these are all products released under Tim Cook's watch.

And I think the decision to focus on the iPhone took courage, especially when it likely meant neglecting the Mac at one point in time (or at least, Apple didn't appear to be particularly enthusiastic about it). Tim Cook correctly realised that there were more iPhone users with Macs than there were Mac users with iPhones, and so decided to prioritise the former. Even when it meant angering the latter.

The strategy clearly appears to be paying off handsomely. Many people have the iPhone has their sole Apple product, meaning there is still a lot of potential to upsell them on additional Apple products and services. Which in turn means that there is still a lot of room for Apple to continue growing in the future.

I think this is where Tim Cook deserves credit. He has taken the company handed to him and brought it to ever greater heights, when it could have easily gone south in anyone else's hands. Remember how many people here were pushing for Apple to acquire Netflix, or invest in smart speakers, or even release a folding phone, or a hundred other "Apple should do X" statements that turned out to be utterly boneheaded in hindsight? It would have all too easy to make one wrong bet after another if you lost sight of what made Apple unique and just listened to the rumour mills.

I can personally think of no better person than Tim Cook to be running Apple right now, looking at the state of the other tech companies like Google, Intel, or worse, even Tesla.

-Air pods are just wireless earphones , ipad pro is just ipad with higher specs.

-Although at first they were trying to sell the watch as a stylish product at first, it bended into being a tool for people to use. I still do not get the appeal but its successful none the less. I will also give him the M chips, thats innovation right there and although it has its roots when Jobs made decisions to make their own ARM chips for the iphone I still will give credit to Tim for it. I have a feeling both were on Steve Job's road map.

-The ecosystem was done by Jobs ions ago with itunes, ipods, macs, iphone, and iPad not to mention things like iMovie, icloud and the rest. Either way a software+hardware suite is not something ground breaking Google has and so does microsoft and am sure there are others out there.

Cook's greatest achievement is keeping Apple successful and gaining more and more money, I will give you that. Business wise he succeeded 100% or more. There are many other CEOs that their businesses stagnated or run them into the ground like Yahoo or Delll, once the biggest name in the computer market.

 

[bobcomer]

so you are telling me that after like years of use the foldable phone screen is as smooth and as symmetrical as an iphone screen?

Of course it's symmetrical, that can't change, but as smooth, no, you can feel where it folds but there's no physical damage. I could feel where it folds the first time I opened it, that hasn't changed.

EDIT: I can see the bend in the screen from this video not even in real life

It's easier to see it in a video than real life (different lighting). You can feel it like I said above, but it's not a hinderance to use.

I can be but I am not afraid to admit I am wrong. I should look more into and see if something better than the iphone experience exists out there.

I just wish it ran iOS. Android is capable, but I don't prefer it. I needed a phone that fit into a smaller pocket, so I didn't have much choice unless I wanted to go back to a dumb phone.

 

[darngooddesign]

so you are telling me that after like years of use the foldable phone screen is as smooth and as symmetrical as an iphone screen?

EDIT: I can see the bend in the screen from this video not even in real life

I think people who buy the Fold accept that it will have a line/crease and they get used to ignoring it like I do with the notch. If that's not you, there are plenty of slab phones for you to buy. I think the narrower aspect ratio is there to make holding the thicker phone easy, and speaking as someone who used Mophie battery packs for years, the thickness didn't detract from easily holding my iPhones.

What I noticed from that video is that while I can see the crease on a dark background, but not a light background, I didn't see the crease affect that curved line he drew across it.