Samsung to Appeal $119M Patent Verdict as Foreman Says Apple Should Target Google Instead

[BaldiMac]

So your saying its fine to copy Google's I.P. only because it's part of the AOSP... Otherwise it's wrong.. Google could have patented but they give it away for free so its ok.. talk.about double standards..

Copying concepts such as notification center and control center are not the same as copying IP. It has nothing to do with the fact that Android is open source. Google did patent specific implementation details of notification center, however Apple did not use those patented methods.

Look for some primers on copyright law and patent law to gain some understanding about the difference between copying IP and copying unprotected ideas and concepts.

 

[iBug2]

The world could survive without Apple but everyone depends and needs Google

Really? There are no other search engines? Online maps? Video hosting sites? The world of internet moves fast. Remove google from the equation and in couple weeks we won't even remember it. Same with Apple. No company in tech is irreplaceable, that's the great thing about tech imho.

 

[Klae17]

Those rich lawyers get even richer.

Defending your rights is one thing, but ugh....

Invest these millions into R&D.

Getting richer? Gee, how horrible that they are making money while the rest of us work for free.

 

[koban4max]

there should be 1 time appeal law.

 

[Icaras]

But, there's a big problem in your comment:

1) Apple designs their own chips, sends blue prints to the Samsung and Samsung manufactures them. They DO NOT design them, so iPhone has APPLE technology not Samsung

2) I am pretty sure he was trying to tell that he would never buy a SAMSUNG BRANDED product like a Samsung TV, Galaxy device etc. Because they can use their nasty business strategy on their own products not manufacturing

3) Only Apple A7 is manufactured by Samsung in new iDevices. As I know, screen is manufactured by LG, Camera is manufactured by Sony, Apple M7 is manufactured by TSMC, and most of the things are assembled by Foxconn

4) I would be very happy to see Samsung going bankrupt. Because now, it's not a war between Samsung & Google vs. Apple, it's like Good vs. Bad. If Samsung wins that war, a lot of companies will follow Samsung's non-ethic way and it will kill innovation, we will have some non-innovate, corrupt companies that would do everything for getting more money.

Thank you for clarifying on the second point. This is exactly the rationality behind my choice to never buy into any other Samsung product again. Even after using Samsung components in their devices, this is still ultimately Apple's end product so they control the conduct of which they do business in selling those said devices and how they handle customer relationships. Not Samsung.

And I couldn't agree further with your fourth point as well. But punishment should be more severe, as to deter any untrustful companies in the future trying to pull a Samsung again. Like others have previously said, $119 million is just a "slap on the wrist" for them. Unfortunately, I doubt this will be their last time in court being accused of a patent infringement.

 

[ghost of jobs]

Copying concepts such as notification center and control center are not the same as copying IP. It has nothing to do with the fact that Android is open source. Google did patent specific implementation details of notification center, however Apple did not use those patented methods.

Look for some primers on copyright law and patent law to gain some understanding about the difference between copying IP and copying unprotected ideas and concepts.

It's not about the legality of it all, its about the hypocrisy if it all. Samsung is the devil for copying Apple.. but Apple is allowed to copy android because it wasn't patented..

 

[iphoneclassic]

So, before Apple filed lawsuit Samsung wanted to settle for $200-$300 Mil, now don't want to pay $119 Mil.

This should stop. This fight actually has serious impact on Apple's supply chain. It tried every third rated supplier in the world just to stick it to Samsung. Didn't won't. Time for truce. Good for both companies. Good for iPhone customers, they could use bigger screen.

 

[BaldiMac]

It's not about the legality of it all, its about the hypocrisy if it all. Samsung is the devil for copying Apple.. but Apple is allowed to copy android because it wasn't patented..

Sounds like you'd rather heckle the "fanboys" than make an effort to understand the actual issues. Good luck with that.

 

[TheHateMachine]

Just pull our forces from the 38th parallel and let them fend for themselves.

I find it rather sickening that you are so ******** in your role as a corporate fanboy that you would advocate the US backing down on its defense pact with SK. I mean NK could for some odd reason finally snap and you want the US to pull out and no longer defend SK and let people die just because you are so rump frustrated over Samsung. Ridiculous.

 

[ghost of jobs]

Sounds like you'd rather heckle the "fanboys" than make an effort to understand the actual issues. Good luck with that.

The issues being that its ok for one company to do whatever they please... "We shamelessly stole every idea we could in the creation of the Mac", but anyone else "takes inspiration", and they are the devil... The legalities are secondary.. how can this forum host good debate when half the posters are so blinkered..

 

[BaldiMac]

The issues being that its ok for one company to do whatever they please... "We shamelessly stole every idea we could in the creation of the Mac", but anyone else "takes inspiration", and they are the devil... The legalities are secondary.. how can this forum host good debate when half the posters are so blinkered..

Because you just made all of that up, so you had an irrational position to argue against. It's so much easier for you than actually trying to understand the issues.

 

[Konrad9]

There we go again, confirming the prior post. Way to go Samsung, do what you do best!

Every single company in the history of ever appeals after they are told to pay damages.

 

[lazard]

Every single company in the history of ever appeals after they are told to pay damages.

Not only every company, every plaintiff or defendent in the history of court trials that has had a ruling go against them has appealed.

 

[Robert.Walter]

"Foreman Says Apple Should Target Google Instead"

How would we view this logic if foreman had been seated on a drug trial jury, and had said "DEA should target cartel producers instead (of street dealer)?

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I find it rather sickening that you are so ******** in your role as a corporate fanboy that you would advocate the US backing down on its defense pact with SK. I mean NK could for some odd reason finally snap and you want the US to pull out and no longer defend SK and let people die just because you are so rump frustrated over Samsung. Ridiculous.

When NK finally snaps, it will likely be with a whimper at home, or a mushroom cloud delivered to one of its neighbors...

(even NK's sponsor, China, recently leaked its contingency plans for how it hopes to manage the situation, of collapse, if/when it comes...)

 

[BaldiMac]

I made it up?

Yep, you made it all up.

.. mmmm.. the classic quote that jobs is on record as saying...

Jobs famous quote that I think that you are referring to is the one attributed to Picasso. By stealing, he meant exactly the opposite of what you imply. He was trying to differentiate between the direct copying of ideas (where it stays someone else's idea), and "stealing" them by taking the idea and putting your own spin on it. Making it your own. It has nothing to do with IP theft.

 

[Robert.Walter]

Thank you for clarifying on the second point. This is exactly the rationality behind my choice to never buy into any other Samsung product again. Even after using Samsung components in their devices, this is still ultimately Apple's end product so they control the conduct of which they do business in selling those said devices and how they handle customer relationships. Not Samsung.

And I couldn't agree further with your fourth point as well. But punishment should be more severe, as to deter any untrustful companies in the future trying to pull a Samsung again. Like others have previously said, $119 million is just a "slap on the wrist" for them. Unfortunately, I doubt this will be their last time in court being accused of a patent infringement.

199M$ fine on a company like Samsung, and a business the size of its smartphone business, is no slap on the wrist, it is more akin to a wink and a peck on the cheek.

 

[fredaroony]

It kind of confirms the articles floating around re Samsungs business practices.

Steal an idea. Delay. Delay. Delay. Delay. Countersue. Delay. Delay. Delay.

Just like Apple E-books except the case was about Apple trying to directly control the industry.

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Samsung is Already in the Medical Devices / Health Field

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/healthcare/

Indeed they are and their products are quite good. Their DR system is making waves in the medical imaging market.

 

[Robert.Walter]

Yep, you made it all up.



Jobs famous quote that I think that you are referring to is the one attributed to Picasso. By stealing, he meant exactly the opposite of what you imply. He was trying to differentiate between the direct copying of ideas (where it stays someone else's idea), and "stealing" them by taking the idea and putting your own spin on it. Making it your own. It has nothing to do with IP theft.

A good illustration of the "good artists copy, great artists steal" quote would be the relationship between:
- Schiller's Ode to Joy poem (1785),
- Beethoven's 9th (1824),
- Klimt's The Kiss (1909),

wherein the last two both "steal" and build on the ideas of their predecessor.

It is in the abstract inspiration provided by a predecessor, as opposed to outright misappropriation of their work, that the quote speaks to.

If anyone wondering what Job's really said, take a look at the interview clip on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

 

[k995]

Jobs famous quote that I think that you are referring to is the one attributed to Picasso. By stealing, he meant exactly the opposite of what you imply. He was trying to differentiate between the direct copying of ideas (where it stays someone else's idea), and "stealing" them by taking the idea and putting your own spin on it. Making it your own. It has nothing to do with IP theft.

And thats very subjective. But some seem to think that because its apple its allowed because its samsung its blatantly ripping off.

Seeing that both of them got condemned for IP infringements ...

 

[genovelle]

If you read other articles on other sites, and read all the various quotes from the foreman, you'll see that everyone except Apple, Samsung, and their various hangers-on think the whole thing is pretty dumb.

That in itself is dumb and shows how our society has become a get something for nothing plague. When someone is actually willing to earn their keep, like making better products, silly people think it's ok for others to just appropriate their efforts as their own. I wonder how many of these Einsteins would go along with a coworker taking credit for the extra work and late hours they put in and getting the really large bonus check that goes along with it. Even if they are too afraid to standup for themselves, they won't keep doing it for long. If Apple doesn't aggressively fight these cases the will get run out of business with their own technology. Samsung has a pattern for doing just that. And once you allow one to get away with it you may as well count them out of the market. People complain that Apple is long over due for new product categories, but I believe they are refusing to release new devices without protection. Their future depends on it. You will see them integrate tech in ways that will take years to develop or copy because they will produce these elements themselves and leaks will be minimized.

 

[BaldiMac]

But some seem to think that because its apple its allowed because its samsung its blatantly ripping off.

Why don't you discuss that argument with the strawman who seem to think that? I certainly don't.

 

[ghost of jobs]

Yep, you made it all up.



Jobs famous quote that I think that you are referring to is the one attributed to Picasso. By stealing, he meant exactly the opposite of what you imply. He was trying to differentiate between the direct copying of ideas (where it stays someone else's idea), and "stealing" them by taking the idea and putting your own spin on it. Making it your own. It has nothing to do with IP theft.

Nope.. nothing to do with the great artists quote.. just the "we shamelessly stole every idea we could for the Mac".. should I repeat it a 3rd time?..

 

[k995]

Why don't you discuss that argument with the strawman who seem to think that? I certainly don't.

Doesnt change the fact apple got condemned , apparently that judge didnt see the whole "apple put a spin on it" like you do.

 

[Renzatic]

That in itself is dumb and shows how our society has become a get something for nothing plague. When someone is actually willing to earn their keep, like making better products, silly people think it's ok for others to just appropriate their efforts as their own. I wonder how many of these Einsteins would go along with a coworker taking credit for the extra work and late hours they put in and getting the really large bonus check that goes along with it. Even if they are too afraid to standup for themselves, they won't keep doing it for long. If Apple doesn't aggressively fight these cases the will get run out of business with their own technology. Samsung has a pattern for doing just that. And once you allow one to get away with it you may as well count them out of the market. People complain that Apple is long over due for new product categories, but I believe they are refusing to release new devices without protection. Their future depends on it. You will see them integrate tech in ways that will take years to develop or copy because they will produce these elements themselves and leaks will be minimized.

You need to learn to draw a distinction between the concept and the code itself.

 

[Gasu E.]

If you read other articles on other sites, and read all the various quotes from the foreman, you'll see that everyone except Apple, Samsung, and their various hangers-on think the whole thing is pretty dumb.

So, if someone disagrees with you, they are automatically a "hanger-on". Thanks so much for your contribution.

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It would be hilarious to see Tim Cook in jail. After all, the jury found that Apple infringed as well. It would be like a big executive party at the jailhouse.

LOL, seriously. The jury found Apple's infringement was worth $158K. Apparently you missed the significance of that.

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I find it rather sickening that you are so ******** in your role as a corporate fanboy that you would advocate the US backing down on its defense pact with SK. I mean NK could for some odd reason finally snap and you want the US to pull out and no longer defend SK and let people die just because you are so rump frustrated over Samsung. Ridiculous.

As you well know, there's no IQ test required to post on the Internet.