Samsung to Reveal Results of Galaxy Note7 Fire Investigation Later This Month

[I7guy]

Boy, don't ever say that to hardcore Apple fans like Rogifan

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/bloombergs-anti-apple-bias.1584968/

They're pretty much the same as every source on the internet now: knocking everyone, and living off click bait headlines. Let's face it: their believability often depends on what the reader already believes, and we all quote them when it suits us

Well to that end, there is no non-biased source on the face of the earth. The internet is so vast we can find any opinion that supports our own talking point.

 

[mi7chy]

While any lithium battery can potentially cook Apple need to do a better job of containing the reaction so it releases a puff of smoke instead of of a mini mushroom cloud nuclear explosion. Explains why Apple silently pushed out an iPhone update to prematurely shutdown at ~40% battery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...new-iPhone-7-explodes-shop-worker-s-hand.html

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/faulty-pho...yptair-flight-ms804-investigators-say-1600963

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3854854/Surfer-claims-new-iPhone-7-exploded.html

 

[I7guy]

While any lithium battery can potentially cook Apple need to do a better job of containing the reaction so it releases a puff of smoke instead of of a mini mushroom cloud nuclear explosion. Explains why Apple silently pushed out an iPhone update to prematurely shutdown at ~40% battery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...new-iPhone-7-explodes-shop-worker-s-hand.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3854854/Surfer-claims-new-iPhone-7-exploded.html

So that compares, if even true, with a world wide recall, and ban on US flights? It is true li-ion batteries can explode, but the note 7 has the distinction of being the only phone in a recall.

So this post is basically hyperbole as you are just tilting at windmills.

 

[Radon87000]

Samsung can think what it wants, it's up to the consumer to decide. Between washing machines, my own Samsung tvs, and the note I doubt I'll buy another Samsung branded appliance, but that's me.

Again I "trust" the reporting of Bloomberg.

All of which is irrelevant to what I said.There is only a gap of 2 days between Note 7 and Note 5 release dates.So are you implying even the Note 5 was rushed?Because if deadlines were made stricter for the Note 7 you would expect Note 7 to release at least 15 days before the Note 5.They did a real bad job meeting deadlines.

As far as your opinion on Samsung,people have spoken with their wallets just like with Apple

http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-forecasts-record-q4-profits-spite-note-7-debacle

"Although Samsung said that the Note 7 termination would put a dent in its profits for two quarters, it doesn't look like that will be the case. The South Korean manufacturer has released its earnings guidance for Q4 2016, in which it estimated that operating profit was likely $7.8 billion (9.2 trillion won), up 50% from the same period in 2015. However, overall revenue for the quarter decreased by 0.6% from Q4 2015 to $45 billion (53 trillion won)."

"A large part of the uptick in profits is due to Samsung's chip business, which managed to offset the losses from the mobile unit. According to Reuters, the chip division is expected to post profits of over $3.3 billion (4 trillion won)."

As far as who can do what, continuity, handoff, Live Photos, notes collaboration, photo sharing without a google account, voice mail transcripts, bokeh in photos, Apple Pay for websites, iMessage enhancements, etc. see how silly it starts to sound. As far as productivity the definition is fluid, not fixed.

Can you at least open 2 apps or more simultaneously on a iPhone?No?And you are telling me the question on productivity is argumentative?

As far as the others go alternatives on the Play Store do exist.I dont need a Google Account for photo sharing.A microsoft one will do just fine.iMessage=Allo and Duo,WhatsApp,Notes=Evernote etc. Continuity with apps is there on Android.So is Handoff on apps

 

[I7guy]

All of which is irrelevant to what I said.There is only a gap of 2 days between Note 7 and Note 5 release dates.So are you implying even the Note 5 was rushed?Because if deadlines were made stricter for the Note 7 you would expect Note 7 to release at least 15 days before the Note 5.They did a real bad job meeting deadlines.

As far as your opinion on Samsung,people have spoken with their wallets just like with Apple

http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-forecasts-record-q4-profits-spite-note-7-debacle

"Although Samsung said that the Note 7 termination would put a dent in its profits for two quarters, it doesn't look like that will be the case. The South Korean manufacturer has released its earnings guidance for Q4 2016, in which it estimated that operating profit was likely $7.8 billion (9.2 trillion won), up 50% from the same period in 2015. However, overall revenue for the quarter decreased by 0.6% from Q4 2015 to $45 billion (53 trillion won)."

"A large part of the uptick in profits is due to Samsung's chip business, which managed to offset the losses from the mobile unit. According to Reuters, the chip division is expected to post profits of over $3.3 billion (4 trillion won)."



Can you at least open 2 apps or more simultaneously on a iPhone?No?And you are telling me the question on productivity is argumentative?

As far as the others go alternatives on the Play Store do exist.I dont need a Google Account for photo sharing.A microsoft one will do just fine.iMessage=Allo and Duo,WhatsApp,Notes=Evernote etc. Continuity with apps is there on Android.So is Handoff on apps

So again your comparing the entirety of a company with business that have nothing in common with Apple. So if we're doing let's quote again the trillion dollar forecast for sales in
the middle of 2017. Could the deflections in your post get any more obvious? How is samsungs mobile division doing, by the by? Hint, it lost money.

Okay, so the note 7 cannot do what I need it to do out of the box, thanks for the clarification.

And again, I "trust" Bloomberg more than posts on an anonymous Internet forum.

 

[kdarling]

So that compares, if even true, with a world wide recall, and ban on US flights?

A lithium-ion recall is not unusual. Apple has recalled plenty of laptop batteries for being a fire hazard.

As for the... US only... flight ban, I think it's easy to see that was a government publicity thing, not an actual safety issue.

Heck, the FAA didn't implement the ban on their own. They knew from the past twenty years of battery incidents, that smartphone fires in the passenger cabin are not a big deal. They already had battery limits and handling policies in place.

Instead, the Secretary of Transportation apparently came up with the forced ban as some kind of political grandstanding, showing the public "how much they care" about passenger safety. This, while hypocritically claiming that "even one fire" was too much, a bogus comment which blithely ignored dozens of fires from other devices, including iPhones which had burst into flames while in flight (something no Note 7 ever did).

I don't think there'd have been a ban if the phone maker was American.

 

[I7guy]

A lithium-ion recall is not unusual. Apple has recalled plenty of laptop batteries for being a fire hazard.

As for the... US only... flight ban, I think it's easy to see that was a government publicity thing, not an actual safety issue.

Heck, the FAA didn't implement the ban on their own. They knew from the past twenty years of battery incidents, that smartphone fires in the passenger cabin are not a big deal. They already had battery limits and handling policies in place.

Instead, the Secretary of Transportation apparently came up with the forced ban as some kind of political grandstanding, showing the public "how much they care" about passenger safety. This, while hypocritically claiming that "even one fire" was too much, a bogus comment which blithely ignored dozens of fires from other devices, including iPhones which had burst into flames while in flight (something no Note 7 ever did).

I don't think there'd have been a ban if the phone maker was American.

How many US recalls of mobile smartphones have their been lately with a corresponding flight ban? I can only think of one case.

So even though generic recalls have occurred in the past, this one is very specific and unique and unfortunate for Samsung.

I don't care how the ban came into effect only that it was in effect. I leave it to the audience to debate the politics of the ban.

And it's always nice to rewrite history.

 

[kdarling]

I don't care how the ban came into effect only that it was in effect. I leave it to the audience to debate the politics of the ban.

As for me, I care that someone in authority gave the public another unnecessary fear about flying, instead of using the opportunity to educate. Welcome to the USA. Other countries didn't stoop so low.

It's bad enough that nearly every flight movie shows airplanes diving out of control if a window is knocked out, or both pilots struggling with the yokes to "pull up" out of a descent. Or worse, falling out of the sky like a rock if an engine fails, when in fact even jetliners glide pretty darned well.

Sheesh.

 

[I7guy]

As for me, I care that someone in authority gave the public another unnecessary fear about flying, instead of using the opportunity to educate. Welcome to the USA. Other countries didn't stoop so low.

It's bad enough that nearly every flight movie shows airplanes diving out of control if a window is knocked out, or both pilots struggling with the yokes to "pull up" out of a descent. Or worse, falling out of the sky like a rock if an engine fails, when in fact even jetliners glide pretty darned well.

Sheesh.

I don't think it was unnecessary in fact given the situation the ban, was very necessary. The last thing that needed to happen is the note 7 causing issues in flight because of the unpredictable nature of those phones.

Given the scenario they did the correct thing, imo. The term abundance of caution comes to mind. At any rate we can agree to disagree on something that already occurred.

 

[Radon87000]

So again your comparing the entirety of a company with business that have nothing in common with Apple

Didn't bring Apple into it at all . Merely commented just like Apple Samsung customers voted with their wallets

So if we're doing let's quote again the trillion dollar forecast for sales in
the middle of 2017.

Which is not a official forecast. And for the record the analyst concerned has always been bullish on Apple

Could the deflections in your post get any more obvious? How is samsungs mobile division doing, by the by? Hint, it lost money.

It did just fine thanks to their mobile division. You contributed to it indirectly when you got an iPhone .

As I said in an earlier thread Samsung does not need its Galaxies as much as Apple needs its iPhones . It can run the division just on the strength of their components division which does not have a viable alternative . You need OLED? Samsung . You need NAND memory? Samsung . Many phones including the iPhone have used Samsung fabricated processors

Okay, so the note 7 cannot do what I need it to do out of the box, thanks for the clarification.

And an iPhone can't do everything the Note can out of the box. Shocker but the thing is the things it can't do out of the box aren't productivity features for whom the phone is intended which is why I said Note wipes the floor with an iPhone in productivity . The point clearly went over your head

And again, I "trust" Bloomberg more than posts on an anonymous Internet forum.

And I don't trust anyone as the facts are in front of me. This Bloomberg story is an exact copy of the one iVerge reported much earlier which tells me everything I need to know . Leave your unnamed source aside and explain to me how was the Note 5 rushed using facts not leakers or people inside the company with malicious intent to defame

 

[Radon87000]

How many US recalls of mobile smartphones have their been lately with a corresponding flight ban? I can only think of one case.

So even though generic recalls have occurred in the past, this one is very specific and unique and unfortunate for Samsung.

I don't care how the ban came into effect only that it was in effect. I leave it to the audience to debate the politics of the ban.

And it's always nice to rewrite history.

I can assure you if the phone in question was an iPhone there wouldn't have been any ban. Both you and I know this. Let's be real here

 

[I7guy]

I can assure you if the phone in question was an iPhone there wouldn't have been any ban. Both you and I know this. Let's be real here

But it wasn't and that is the bottom line. Can't rewrite history.
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Didn't bring Apple into it at all . Merely commented just like Apple Samsung customers voted with their wallets

Nobody voted with their wallets. Samsung mobile took a drubbing. And again you are comparing corporations with two entirely different businesses except for one in common.

Which is not a official forecast. And for the record the analyst concerned has always been bullish on Apple

So when it suits, rumors are not good enough? Seems like moving the goal posts as they say.

It did just fine thanks to their mobile division. You contributed to it indirectly when you got an iPhone

Is that why Samsung lost billions on this recall?

As I said in an earlier thread Samsung does not need its Galaxies as much as Apple needs its iPhones . It can run the division just on the strength of their components division which does not have a viable alternative . You need OLED? Samsung . You need NAND memory? Samsung . Many phones including the iPhone have used Samsung fabricated processors

I don't need oled, nor do I want it. But Samsung sure needs/wants apples business. Samsung is not the only supplier in the world for a lot of these components.

And an iPhone can't do everything the Note can out of the box. Shocker but the thing is the things it can't do out of the box aren't productivity features for whom the phone is intended which is why I said Note wipes the floor with an iPhone in productivity . The point clearly went over your head

The point about productivity is not understood, is it? Let me answer, it's not.

And I don't trust anyone as the facts are in front of me. This Bloomberg story is an exact copy of the one iVerge reported much earlier which tells me everything I need to know . Leave your unnamed source aside and explain to me how was the Note 5 rushed using facts not leakers or people inside the company with malicious intent to defame

So now Bloomberg, the pre-eminent company in the world for financial information is out to defame? That is sure some sound logic. Or maybe the story is not suiting your narrative and by discrediting these articles there is an attempt to make fallacious reasoning palbable?

 

[kdarling]

So now Bloomberg, the pre-eminent company in the world for financial information is out to defame? That is sure some sound logic. Or maybe the story is not suiting your narrative and by discrediting these articles there is an attempt to make fallacious reasoning palbable?

Repeating this post where a diehard Apple fan also thinks Bloomberg is out to defame a company:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/bloombergs-anti-apple-bias.1584968/

Bloomberg is like any other internet site these days, it lives off clicks, and negative stories get those most.

Plus, many of such articles are written by guest contributors with their own agendas. Reader beware.

 

[I7guy]

Repeating this post where a diehard Apple fan also thinks Bloomberg is out to defame a company:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/bloombergs-anti-apple-bias.1584968/

Bloomberg is like any other internet site these days, it lives off clicks, and negative stories get those most.

Plus, many of such articles are written by guest contributors with their own agendas. Reader beware.

Bloomberg business is not their internet site but selling financial information, and you can certainly believe or not believe or trust or not trust information from any sources. That hasn't changed in 100 years since newspapers started publishing.

 

[Truefan31]

Nothing but media misrepresenting facts as usual. This report looks like a news report from Fox News. "another person with direct knowledge said" Funnily enough this guy isn't named. I would have trusted these sources had it not been for facts not contradicting them. Now lets disregard these "sources" for a minute and look at the facts

Note 7 was released on Aug 19
Note 5 was released on Aug 21

So I would love to hear how it was rushed when the Note 5 was released at approx. the same time and so is the Note 8 which is scheduled for release at around the same date
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So does Apple

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/10/27/apple-exec-escapes-jail-time-in-tax-evasion-charge/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-company-effectively-received-state-aid.html

And the CEO himself to boot

https://9to5mac.com/2017/01/05/tim-cook-irish-tax-committee/

Tim Cook disrespects Irish people
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There is not a single phone on the market which has all the features of the Note line including the overall hardware design.The iPhone will once it gets Apple pencil support which should be somewhere around 2018

Lol where did I bring up Apple at all? I'm talking about Samsung man. And if you knew about Samsung you'd know they're basically a form of government in Korea. They're pretty known for unethical and in this case shady things because they have so much power and influence in Korea.

You can bring up Apple all you want but there isn't a country in the world where Apple has as much influence as Samsung has in Korea.

Are people here still really defending the note 7? Even Samsung doesn't want you using it lol. After they supposedly fixed it, then they didn't, then they realized they didn't know what to do, so they finally gave up and told people not to use it.

 

[Radon87000]

Nobody voted with their wallets. Samsung mobile took a drubbing. And again you are comparing corporations with two entirely different businesses except for one in common.

There has been a 50% jump in operating profits and records have been broken YoY .Revenue declined a mere 0.6% . You would think a flagship product would at least dent their profits guidance no?Note 7 is a small blip on the radar

Apple also earns a ton from services and laptops.Seems by your logic you cant compare even their mobile divisions in an apples to apples comparison.But we can infer that if iPhone fails,Apple comes crashing down while if Galaxies fail,it doesnt impact Samsung much as a company

So when it suits, rumors are not good enough? Seems like moving the goal posts as they say.

I accept rumors as good as facts till the facts come out.The facts in this case have come out.Bloomberg is publishing a rehashed iVerge article which contradicts the facts which I already mentioned

Is that why Samsung lost billions on this recall?

Which was peanuts for a company that size

But Samsung sure needs/wants apples business.

And its all over for Apple,if Samsung goes under.Who will they get OLED displays and parts for their iphone from not to mention the Samsung components used in their computers?

I repeat,NO COMPANY on the planet can mass produce components on a scale Apple demands except Samsung.Take a look at the number of iPhones shipped.Its crazy.

The point about productivity is not understood, is it? Let me answer, it's not.

Out of the box you cannot open zip files on iPhone
Out of the box you cant open 2 apps at once on an iPhone
Out of the box you cant download unsupported file formats on an iPhone
Out of the box you cant take a note with the screen off
Out of the box you cannot hand create charts or graphs on an iPhone
Out of the box you cannot use hover view with iPhone:

Hover over your inbox to see the content of an email without opening it, hover over a photo thumbnail in the image gallery to see more detail, or hover over a day in your calendar to see all the events scheduled for that day.

Out of the box you cant drag and drop in multi window mode

Many apps support drag and drop functionality with the S Pen. Drag an image from the gallery into a text message, which blows away selecting to add an attachment to the message.

Out of the box you cant make action memos on an Iphone


Writing down a phone number, email address, physical address, or URL in an Action memo means that you can then quickly take that handwritten note into the applicable application.

On an iPhone ,the technique is positively ancient.You literally have to switch between applications to copy it.Its happened countless times I had to take an address or a phone number when on a call and a Note is ready for it just as you pull it out of your pocket



Out of the box you cant capture long winded notes

If you find the need to capture content that is more than one screen in length, then use the S Pen Screen Write option. After selecting one page, simply tap the left button to capture more until you are done capturing all the content you desire


I repeat there is no contest here.Note series wipes the floor with iPhones in productivity.Its not even close.Apple need to make the iPhone compatible with the Apple pencil.Its the only way to make it stand up to the Note

So now Bloomberg, the pre-eminent company in the world for financial information is out to defame? That is sure some sound logic. Or maybe the story is not suiting your narrative and by discrediting these articles there is an attempt to make fallacious reasoning palbable?

Not bloomberg.The unknown person

I am not telling you a narrative.I am telling you facts.Note 7 released on Aug 19 and Note 5 on Aug 21.Its been 2 pages and you have yet to explain to me why this is so

Lol where did I bring up Apple at all? I'm talking about Samsung man. And if you knew about Samsung you'd know they're basically a form of government in Korea. They're pretty known for unethical and in this case shady things because they have so much power and influence in Korea.

You can bring up Apple all you want but there isn't a country in the world where Apple has as much influence as Samsung has in Korea.

Are people here still really defending the note 7? Even Samsung doesn't want you using it lol. After they supposedly fixed it, then they didn't, then they realized they didn't know what to do, so they finally gave up and told people not to use it.

When it comes to money all corporations stoop low.This is nothing new. If you think Apple is being completely honest with everything,well you need to read more blogs

And no one here is defending Note 7 .We are discussing its impact on Samsung

 

[I7guy]

There has been a 50% jump in operating profits and records have been broken YoY .Revenue declined a mere 0.6% . You would think a flagship product would at least dent their profits guidance no?Note 7 is a small blip on the radar

Yes, since Timmy took the helm in 2011 that has been happening at apple. Record breaking quarter after record breaking quarter.

Apple also earns a ton from services and laptops.Seems by your logic you cant compare even their mobile divisions in an apples to apples comparison.But we can infer that if iPhone fails,Apple comes crashing down while if Galaxies fail,it doesnt impact Samsung much as a company

Sure there all connected businesses. What does (exploding) washing machines have to do with cell phones?

I accept rumors as good as facts

Best hyperbole of the day. Apple then is on it's way to $1,000,000,000,000,000,000.

EWhich was peanuts for a company that size

Right and any downturn that apple had is also peanuts and irrelevant; especially with all that cash in the bank. Let's apply logic equally here.

And its all over for Apple,if Samsung goes under

Prove it. You do know IBM is a huge chip manufacturer possibly bigger than Samsung. And so is intel, and there is not way you can't prove intel cannot pick up any slack from Samsung implosion.

I repeat,NO COMPANY on the planet can mass produce components on a scale Apple demands except Samsung.Take a look at the number of iPhones shipped.Its crazy.

Prove it.

Out of the box you cannot open zip files on iPhone
Out of the box you cant open 2 apps at once on an iPhone
Out of the box you cant download unsupported file formats on an iPhone
Out of the box you cant take a note with the screen off
Out of the box you cannot hand create charts or graphs on an iPhone
Out of the box you cannot use hover view with iPhone:

No 3DT, no live photos, no photo sharing without a google account, no notes collaboration.

3DT is the biggy, being stuck in long press world is postively antideluvian. That itself is anti-productive.

bloomberg.The unknown person

And no one here is defending Note 7 .We are discussing its impact on Samsung

I trust Bloomberg more than an anonymous source on the internet. That is not what the thread is about.

 

[Truefan31]

There has been a 50% jump in operating profits and records have been broken YoY .Revenue declined a mere 0.6% . You would think a flagship product would at least dent their profits guidance no?Note 7 is a small blip on the radar

Apple also earns a ton from services and laptops.Seems by your logic you cant compare even their mobile divisions in an apples to apples comparison.But we can infer that if iPhone fails,Apple comes crashing down while if Galaxies fail,it doesnt impact Samsung much as a company



I accept rumors as good as facts till the facts come out.The facts in this case have come out.Bloomberg is publishing a rehashed iVerge article which contradicts the facts which I already mentioned



Which was peanuts for a company that size



And its all over for Apple,if Samsung goes under.Who will they get OLED displays and parts for their iphone from not to mention the Samsung components used in their computers?

I repeat,NO COMPANY on the planet can mass produce components on a scale Apple demands except Samsung.Take a look at the number of iPhones shipped.Its crazy.



Out of the box you cannot open zip files on iPhone
Out of the box you cant open 2 apps at once on an iPhone
Out of the box you cant download unsupported file formats on an iPhone
Out of the box you cant take a note with the screen off
Out of the box you cannot hand create charts or graphs on an iPhone
Out of the box you cannot use hover view with iPhone:

Hover over your inbox to see the content of an email without opening it, hover over a photo thumbnail in the image gallery to see more detail, or hover over a day in your calendar to see all the events scheduled for that day.

Out of the box you cant drag and drop in multi window mode

Many apps support drag and drop functionality with the S Pen. Drag an image from the gallery into a text message, which blows away selecting to add an attachment to the message.

Out of the box you cant make action memos on an Iphone


Writing down a phone number, email address, physical address, or URL in an Action memo means that you can then quickly take that handwritten note into the applicable application.

On an iPhone ,the technique is positively ancient.You literally have to switch between applications to copy it.Its happened countless times I had to take an address or a phone number when on a call and a Note is ready for it just as you pull it out of your pocket



Out of the box you cant capture long winded notes

If you find the need to capture content that is more than one screen in length, then use the S Pen Screen Write option. After selecting one page, simply tap the left button to capture more until you are done capturing all the content you desire


I repeat there is no contest here.Note series wipes the floor with iPhones in productivity.Its not even close.Apple need to make the iPhone compatible with the Apple pencil.Its the only way to make it stand up to the Note



Not bloomberg.The unknown person

I am not telling you a narrative.I am telling you facts.Note 7 released on Aug 19 and Note 5 on Aug 21.Its been 2 pages and you have yet to explain to me why this is so



When it comes to money all corporations stoop low.This is nothing new. If you think Apple is being completely honest with everything,well you need to read more blogs

And no one here is defending Note 7 .We are discussing its impact on Samsung

Right so bringing up Apple for no reason. Gotcha. I'll say it again there isn't a country in the world where Apple has the influence Samsung has in Korea. Period.

 

[Radon87000]

Yes, since Timmy took the helm in 2011 that has been happening at apple. Record breaking quarter after record breaking quarter.

That had been happening at Apple, you mean.Samsung has earned a 50% jump in operating profits

Sure there all connected businesses. What does (exploding) washing machines have to do with cell phones?

I dont know.You brought washing machines into this.Even then it strengthens my point.Despite being accused of ethical wrong doins in Korea,Note 7 and washing machines exploding, the bottom line is this didnt have any meaningful impact on the company like tanking sales , lowest operating profit margin in 7 years or pay cuts and on the contrary profits increased

Best hyperbole of the day. Apple then is on it's way to $1,000,000,000,000,000,000.

Yes but the problem is the analyst in question is always bullish on Apple

Right and any downturn that apple had is also peanuts and irrelevant; especially with all that cash in the bank. Let's apply logic equally here.

Except Apple's problems are worth far more than 0.6%.

Tanking iPad sales
Sharp dip in iPhone sales
Lowest op margin in 7 years
One of the biggest paycuts for an Apple CEO

This is peanuts?

Prove it. You do know IBM is a huge chip manufacturer possibly bigger than Samsung. And so is intel, and there is not way you can't prove intel cannot pick up any slack from Samsung implosion.

IBM makes mobile chips?

Saying intel will overtake Samsung in mobile reminds me of AMD users who keep insinuating with each release that AMD will somehow overtake Intel.I have been hearing that for 10 years.Never materializes though

No 3DT, no live photos, no photo sharing without a google account, no notes collaboration.

3DT is the biggy, being stuck in long press world is postively antideluvian. That itself is anti-productive.

Note does not need 3DT when I dont even need to touch the screen . It blows both long press and 3DT out of the water with S-Pen hover .Just hover above the link and a small window with the preview opens

Live Photos,Photo sharing has nothing to do with productivity and I will concede on the Note sharing part

So you came up with ONE productivity feature versus the 10 or so I posted for the Note.That says it all

I trust Bloomberg more than an anonymous source on the internet. That is not what the thread is about.

I dont care who you trust.Prove to me how Note 7 was rushed when it was released just 2 days prior to Note 5

 

[I7guy]

That had been happening at Apple, you mean.Samsung has earned a 50% jump in operating profits

That is the case since 2011. Massive jump in revenues for apple. Hows the Samsung Mobile division doing? Taking a drubbing. Other than that comparing the entirety of apple to the entirety of Samsung is meaningless, unless you want to put them in some of order; in which case apple is at the top.

I dont know.You brought washing machines into this.Even then it strengthens my point.Despite being accused of ethical wrong doins in Korea,Note 7 and washing machines exploding, the bottom line is this didnt have any meaningful impact on the company like tanking sales , lowest operating profit margin in 7 years or pay cuts and on the contrary profits increased

The full impact of this and Apple vs. Samsung Lawsuit Over iPhone Design Officially Reopened hasn't really hit yet. The reason washing machines are brought up, is you are comparing the entirety of Samsung to the entirety of Apple. Washing machines and phones are in the entirety of Samsung.

Yes but the problem is the analyst in question is always bullish on Apple

This is not a problem for me, and you yourself said you treat rumors as facts. (except when they don't suit your narrative I guess )

Except Apple's problems are worth far more than 0.6%.

Tanking iPad sales
Sharp dip in iPhone sales
Lowest op margin in 7 years
One of the biggest paycuts for an Apple CEO

Why is Timmy's paycut a concern for you. That is an extremely odd talking point. However, analysts except IOS ecosystem revenue is expecting to be $1,000,000,000,000. What an outstanding accomplishment for Timmy.

This is peanuts?

If it's peanuts for Samsung, it's peanuts for apple.

IBM makes mobile chips?

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...-5-billion-to-take-the-business-off-its-hands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_system-on-a-chip_suppliers Seems like there is a lot of competition out there.

Saying intel will overtake Samsung in mobile reminds me of AMD users who keep insinuating with each release that AMD will somehow overtake Intel.I have been hearing that for 10 years.Never materializes though

It can "remind" you of anything you want, but remember here on MacRumors, posters envision the unlikely or least probable scenario as the most probable and highest possible outcome.

Note does not need 3DT when I dont even need to touch the screen . It blows both long press and 3DT out of the water with S-Pen hover

.Just hover above the link and a small window with the preview opens

Live Photos,Photo sharing has nothing to do with productivity and I will concede on the Note sharing part

So you came up with ONE productivity feature versus the 10 or so I posted for the Note.That says it all

Actually there was one big one and a ton of others. This is the showstopper productivity item for me, and I'm surprised the lack of it doesn't bother you as you keep prreeeessssingggg your finger on the phone, instead of an instantaneous response.

I dont care who you trust.Prove to me how Note 7 was rushed when it was released just 2 days prior to Note 5

In the vein of "I don't care", the Bloomberg article says it all; that is the proof.

 

[tbrinkma]

...and look at the facts

Note 7 was released on Aug 19
Note 5 was released on Aug 21

So I would love to hear how it was rushed when the Note 5 was released at approx. the same time and so is the Note 8 which is scheduled for release at around the same date

Congratulations. You've posted two facts, from which absolutely *nothing* can be extrapolated.

If you want to figure out whether a schedule was rushed, you need to know more than just which day of the year the product shipped. (A product can ship *months* early by being rushed through problems that don't get adequately solved.)

The other information you need includes such petty details as:
1) When did the design->production schedule start?
2) How much time was estimated for completion of said schedule?
3) What problems did they run into that took more time than was estimated?
4) Did they push the end date far enough to accommodate those schedule slips?
5) Did the schedule get *tightened* for marketing (or other) reasons?

Remember, they're blaming the battery fires on the batteries, not on any other hardware. At least two suppliers (including Samsung themselves) delivered batteries *to spec*, and the battery fires were not limited to units from a single supplier. It is indisputable at this point that there was a *serious* design/production problem which was not solved prior to mass production and release.

Your release dates say absolutely *nothing* about whether the process *before* those dates was rushed, or cut short for any reason.

 

[Truefan31]

If true then this makes sense, which would be an indication of rushing the product

 

[Truefan31]

Congratulations. You've posted two facts, from which absolutely *nothing* can be extrapolated.

If you want to figure out whether a schedule was rushed, you need to know more than just which day of the year the product shipped. (A product can ship *months* early by being rushed through problems that don't get adequately solved.)

The other information you need includes such petty details as:
1) When did the design->production schedule start?
2) How much time was estimated for completion of said schedule?
3) What problems did they run into that took more time than was estimated?
4) Did they push the end date far enough to accommodate those schedule slips?
5) Did the schedule get *tightened* for marketing (or other) reasons?

Remember, they're blaming the battery fires on the batteries, not on any other hardware. At least two suppliers (including Samsung themselves) delivered batteries *to spec*, and the battery fires were not limited to units from a single supplier. It is indisputable at this point that there was a *serious* design/production problem which was not solved prior to mass production and release.

Your release dates say absolutely *nothing* about whether the process *before* those dates was rushed, or cut short for any reason.

After the reports today yeah, it was rushed. And it was the batteries too, along with other quality defects. So yup, rushed.