Samsung to Reveal Results of Galaxy Note7 Fire Investigation Later This Month

[lowendlinux]

Wonder how this devolved into google vs Apple privacy practices?

Truther showed up to talk about everything but what the thread was about.

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I'm interested in Samsungs findings even if they're going to be spun to put them in the best light because I'd like whatever caused the problem to be able to be checked on any device. We don't need any more Note 7 issues going forward I hope it was something as simple as a SW bug.

 

[Wallabe]

I wonder if they will conclude the cause of the explosion was... the battery.

 

[truthertech]

Basically every country in this world hates Samsung, every one wants Samsung to stop making phones.
Sarcasm.

Samsung accepted that they screwed up, and Samsung fans are still fighting.
I use iPhone but i don't hate Samsung, it is good to have competition.

Govt & Regulatory agencies can't act on unconfirmed reports, in this age when one person reports phone catching on fire there will be 100 more people reporting same incident.
If South Korean Regulatory agency says that Note 7 is not safe to use then i would trust them since Samsung basically controls South Korea.
[doublepost=1483509143][/doublepost]"Rumors suggest Samsung pushed suppliers to meet tighter deadlines for an earlier launch, in order to beat the iPhone 7, leading to critical oversights that led to some batteries catching fire."

"pushing suppliers to meet tighter deadlines for an earlier launch"
Is never a root cause of any Quality issue.
If it takes 3 years to develop a device it will not have quality issues ? Can some prove this ?
I am think this was a design issue that was unfortunately over looked.
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Correction, Any one can signup for Apple Mail. its just not as good as gmail.

Thanks for that correction. Although, the vast majority of people that I ask who use Gmail have no idea that Google is scanning every email that is sent and received and adding every detail of your personal and business life to the dossier they assemble on you. ( I believe there is a lawsuit by folks who have sent emails to gmail accounts who argue they aren't customers of Google and didn't agree to Google's terms of service which allows Google to do this.)One of the things that alarms folks when you ask them if they would mind if every one of their emails was obtained by hackers, the government or law enforcement, etc. Gmail is a definite no go for any activists in foreign countries, but everyone else should be cautious in using Gmail if they have any concern about how Google or others who can gain access to them, legally or not, might use that info.

 

[kdarling]

Gmail is a definite no go for any activists in foreign countries, ...

If you're trying to avoid detection, don't use a phone or the internet at all. Both are easily traced and watched by governments.

As for collecting info, Apple does it too. They sell iAds using our account info, iTunes purchase history and location.

To do this, they store personal info about us:

As mentioned previously, Apple also profits from Google searches on iOS devices, even while claiming to have clean hands. But pimping your customers out is just as bad as doing the act themselves. Worse, perhaps, for being hypocrites.

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One difference is that Google lets us see, control and delete some of what they store about our interactions with them, using https://myaccount.google.com/. Apple gives us no such transparency or detailed control over what they know about us.

 

[smacrumon]

Not with Trump's government.

It doesn't need to a Trump government, but I wouldn't be too sure Trump wouldn't get involved with his left wing politics at times. There are many governments that can step in, UK, Europe, lots of places to regulate safety.

 

[I7guy]

If you're trying to avoid detection, don't use a phone or the internet at all. Both are easily traced and watched by governments.

As for collecting info, Apple does it too. They sell iAds using our account info, iTunes purchase history and location.

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To do this, they store personal info about us:

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As mentioned previously, Apple also profits from Google searches on iOS devices, even while claiming to have clean hands. But pimping your customers out is just as bad as doing the act themselves. Worse, perhaps, for being hypocrites.

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One difference is that Google lets us see, control and delete some of what they store about our interactions with them, using https://myaccount.google.com/. Apple gives us no such transparency or detailed control over what they know about us.

Seems like Apple tries to sell you on their own services vs giving away your information to third parties. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[kdarling]

Seems like Apple tries to sell you on their own services vs giving away your information to third parties. Thanks for the clarification.

Neither Apple nor Google gives or sells any collected personal information to third parties.

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However, Apple does sell direct access to their users to third parties by:

• Selling the default search engine spot to the highest bidder.
• Charging banks a fee to let their own customers access standard Visa/MC/etc NFC applets, none of which Apple wrote or controls, while Apple does nothing during NFC transactions.

Apple also requires Apple Pay banks to feed a stream of aggregate purchase data back to them. That way Apple can claim that they themselves do not collect any info during an NFC purchase. (Well, except the location.)

 

[Radon87000]

If you're trying to avoid detection, don't use a phone or the internet at all. Both are easily traced and watched by governments.

As for collecting info, Apple does it too. They sell iAds using our account info, iTunes purchase history and location.

View attachment 681713

To do this, they store personal info about us:

View attachment 681719

As mentioned previously, Apple also profits from Google searches on iOS devices, even while claiming to have clean hands. But pimping your customers out is just as bad as doing the act themselves. Worse, perhaps, for being hypocrites.

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One difference is that Google lets us see, control and delete some of what they store about our interactions with them, using https://myaccount.google.com/. Apple gives us no such transparency or detailed control over what they know about us.

Actually Apple is just as guilty as Google when it comes to data but unlike Google they try to hide behind marketing crap

 

[I7guy]

What are you talking about? Nobody gives away personal information to third parties.

Neither Apple nor Google gives or sells any collected personal information to third parties.

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However, Apple does sell direct access to their users to third parties by:

• Selling the default search engine spot to the highest bidder.
• Charging banks a fee to let their own customers access standard Visa/MC/etc NFC applets, none of which Apple wrote or controls, while Apple does nothing during NFC transactions.

Apple also requires Apple Pay banks to feed a stream of aggregate purchase data back to them. That way Apple can claim that they themselves do not collect any info during an NFC purchase. (Well, except the location.)

Google begs to differ as it hands over your information to its analytics partners like double click for better targeted advertising.

I dont care if Apple uses my own information. I just keep resetting my iAds identifier.

But I guess all of this is right in target in a thread for the note 7.

 

[truthertech]

If you're trying to avoid detection, don't use a phone or the internet at all. Both are easily traced and watched by governments.

As for collecting info, Apple does it too. They sell iAds using our account info, iTunes purchase history and location.

View attachment 681713

To do this, they store personal info about us:

View attachment 681719

As mentioned previously, Apple also profits from Google searches on iOS devices, even while claiming to have clean hands. But pimping your customers out is just as bad as doing the act themselves. Worse, perhaps, for being hypocrites.

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One difference is that Google lets us see, control and delete some of what they store about our interactions with them, using https://myaccount.google.com/. Apple gives us no such transparency or detailed control over what they know about us.

You are deliberately trying to mislead folks about the differences in the two platforms. There is simply no comparison between what Google is collecting and assembling in a dossier and what Apple does and no serious person would suggest it, which begs the question: who are you employed by such that you would engage in this laughably false subterfuge???

 

[AppleScruff1]

You are deliberately trying to mislead folks about the differences in the two platforms. There is simply no comparison between what Google is collecting and assembling in a dossier and what Apple does and no serious person would suggest it, which begs the question: who are you employed by such that you would engage in this laughably false subterfuge???

One could ask the same about you.

 

[truthertech]

One could ask the same about you.

Privacy and civil liberties advocate looking out for good of all, even those trolling Apple on these forums who know not what risks they face from the Privacy Borg.

 

[Radon87000]

Google begs to differ as it hands over your information to its analytics partners like double click for better targeted advertising.

I dont care if Apple uses my own information. I just keep resetting my iAds identifier.

But I guess all of this is right in target in a thread for the note 7.

Have you read Apple's fineprint that they don't do the same?Check your App Store lately?


If I wanted to I can make my Android phone free of Google and not give them any data.The same cannot be said on an iPhone

As regards the Note 7 goes,Samsung thinks the Note brand is completely fine considering they are coming out with Note 8 right on schedule.

 

[Radon87000]

You are deliberately trying to mislead folks about the differences in the two platforms. There is simply no comparison between what Google is collecting and assembling in a dossier and what Apple does and no serious person would suggest it, which begs the question: who are you employed by such that you would engage in this laughably false subterfuge???

There is no difference between Apple and Google as regards data collection.One hides it.One is simply truthful about it.Dont let media hysteria fool you. And let e tell you ṭhaT the data collection actually plays wonders in utility.Google Assistant even in beta wipes the floor with Siri.Google Now simply provides more info than Siri.I get my daily traffic notifications,my Amazon delivery schedules,sports scores proactively .

 

[I7guy]

There is no difference between Apple and Google as regards data collection.One hides it.One is simply truthful about it.

Unfortunately google is not truthful. As they send information to the analytics partners as had been made public in recent news articles.

 

[kdarling]

Unfortunately google is not truthful. As they send information to the analytics partners as had been made public in recent news articles.

Doubleclick is a subdivision of Google.

As for "partners", Apple does the same. As their privacy policy states:

"At times Apple may make certain personal information available to strategic partners that work with Apple to provide products and services, or that help Apple market to customers."

I dont care if Apple uses my own information.

Just as many don't mind Google using their info to give personalized assistance services or notices, such as in Google Now.

This is not to say that I wouldn't love for this to be done locally, but having a central server do this across ALL my devices is pretty darned handy.

I just keep resetting my iAds identifier.

I don't think it makes a difference in the real world.

Yes, advertisers used to use our personal Apple advertising identifier to easily match us up, so Apple added that semi-bogus "Disable Ad Tracking" button. However, it simply sets a flag to tell the app developer that he shouldn't use that identifier to track us. It does not create a hard stop, though, as the identifier is still quite visible. Most people don't know this.

Even changing it doesn't make an app forget who we are to begin with. Moreover, when Apple began disabling the UDID years ago, advertisers starting building an iOS MAC address id table.

There's always something that can id us.

For example, Apple bases its advertising slots on our location, demographics, media interests, and media/app purchase history. Anything that's in common can be used to help come up a personal match.

AI recently reported that... to help boost iAd sales... "Apple's iAd division is looking to reinvigorate sales, and will soon allow third-party agencies to provide demographic targeting information to advertisers, including matching of phone numbers, emails and other data."

In other words, if advertisers really want to figure out who we are, they can likely do it. As if it matters. Not sure why people are so worried about personalized ads.

 

[Radon87000]

Unfortunately google is not truthful. As they send information to the analytics partners as had been made public in recent news articles.

Where is the proof?

 

[I7guy]

Where is the proof?

It's been in the news. Where is the proof Apple is hiding what they are doing?
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Doubleclick is a subdivision of Google.

As for "partners", Apple does the same. As their privacy policy states:

"At times Apple may make certain personal information available to strategic partners that work with Apple to provide products and services, or that help Apple market to customers."



Just as many don't mind Google using their info to give personalized assistance services or notices, such as in Google Now.

This is not to say that I wouldn't love for this to be done locally, but having a central server do this across ALL my devices is pretty darned handy.



I don't think it makes a difference in the real world.

Yes, advertisers used to use our personal Apple advertising identifier to easily match us up, so Apple added that semi-bogus "Disable Ad Tracking" button. However, it simply sets a flag to tell the app developer that he shouldn't use that identifier to track us. It does not create a hard stop, though, as the identifier is still quite visible. Most people don't know this.

Even changing it doesn't make an app forget who we are to begin with. Moreover, when Apple began disabling the UDID years ago, advertisers starting building an iOS MAC address id table.

There's always something that can id us.

For example, Apple bases its advertising slots on our location, demographics, media interests, and media/app purchase history. Anything that's in common can be used to help come up a personal match.

AI recently reported that... to help boost iAd sales... "Apple's iAd division is looking to reinvigorate sales, and will soon allow third-party agencies to provide demographic targeting information to advertisers, including matching of phone numbers, emails and other data."

In other words, if advertisers really want to figure out who we are, they can likely do it. As if it matters. Not sure why people are so worried about personalized ads.

There used to be a firewall between google and its analytic partners. That firewall now gone according to recent news without google informing its users. So I say yeah, google is mining more than ever and being subversive about it.

 

[kdarling]

There used to be a firewall between google and its analytic partners. That firewall now gone according to recent news without google informing its users. So I say yeah, google is mining more than ever and being subversive about it.

Again, GOOGLE BOUGHT DOUBLECLICK. They're part of Google now.

Being "subversive" is Apple publicly bragging about personal privacy while making money from customer personal information and selling access to their customers.

 

[I7guy]

Again, GOOGLE BOUGHT DOUBLECLICK. They're part of Google now.

Being "subversive" is Apple publicly bragging about personal privacy while making money from customer personal information and selling access to their customers.

That's old news, the new news is the scope of the data sharing. Apple mentions whatever they are doing in their website, that is not subversive, which is not telling your users things have changed.
https://searchenginewatch.com/2016/10/26/google-comes-under-fire-for-its-privacy-policy-change/

 

[kdarling]

It's been in the news.

I think I finally figured out what you're talking about.

Do you mean the way that Google started matching our user info with their website cookie info last summer? In other words, matching us to the websites we visited.

Ironically, that's something that I bet everyone here had already assumed Google had been doing for years. (It was a surprise to me, that they had not.)

Where is the proof Apple is hiding what they are doing?

Apple handwaves all the time when it comes to privacy. For example, in that Settings page you posted.

As I already pointed out, the "Limit Ad Tracking" switch doesn't actually do anything except set a flag. The identifying Advertising Id is still given to the app programmer. They're just supposed to honor the flag and not deliver a targeted ad. They can still track you for future/other use.

Apple does not make this switch behavior clear to the common user, who probably expects to become totally anonymous. Most people are surprised out how it works, especially after all the bragging about privacy that Apple does.

 

[I7guy]

I think I finally figured out what you're talking about.

Do you mean the way that Google started matching our user info with their website cookie info last summer? In other words, matching us to the websites we visited.

Ironically, that's something that I bet everyone here had already assumed Google had been doing for years. (It was a surprise to me, that they had not.)



Apple handwaves all the time when it comes to privacy. For example, in that Settings page you posted.

As I already pointed out, the "Limit Ad Tracking" switch doesn't actually do anything except set a flag. The identifying Advertising Id is still given to the app programmer. They're just supposed to honor the flag and not deliver a targeted ad. They can still track you for future/other use.

Apple does not make this switch behavior clear to the common user, who probably expects to become totally anonymous. Most people are surprised out how it works, especially after all the bragging about privacy that Apple does.

Well I see google "handwaving" and Apple straightforward, but okay. One thing for certain with Apple I buy their products, with google you are the product. No way around that. And Apple has to comply with the law as google , so I dont see where some of this commentary is coming from. Since like exaggeration.

 

[kdarling]

Well I see google "handwaving" and Apple straightforward, but okay.

Oh, I never said Google doesn't handwave as well. Neither company is pure as snow, not by a long shot

Both carefully craft their privacy policies to make them sound better than they are. The trick is often to look for what they don't say, instead of what they do say. They hide their trespasses by telling a distracting truth.

One thing for certain with Apple I buy their products, with google you are the product. No way around that.

Tim Cook nonsense. Apple doesn't just sell hardware. They also sell access to their customers.

• With iAds YOU are the product being sold by Apple, same as with Google ads.
• By getting billions for the default search engine spot, YOU are the product being sold by Apple.
• By Apple demanding a cut of each Apple Pay purchase, YOU are the product being sold to banks.

 

[I7guy]

Oh, I never said Google doesn't handwave as well. Neither company is pure as snow, not by a long shot

Both carefully craft their privacy policies to make them sound better than they are. The trick is often to look for what they don't say, instead of what they do say. They hide their trespasses by telling a distracting truth.



Tim Cook nonsense. Apple doesn't just sell hardware. They also sell access to their customers.

• With iAds YOU are the product being sold by Apple, same as with Google ads.
• By getting billions for the default search engine spot, YOU are the product being sold by Apple.
• By Apple demanding a cut of each Apple Pay purchase, YOU are the product being sold to banks.

Well okay we can agree to disagree on all if this. Since there is no way to "prove" any of it. My own opinion is, both companies have privacy policies, but with this latest revelation from google, if I had to pick someone i "trust" it would be Apple.

 

[4509968]

"we rushed to beat an iPhone, we forgot to check the batteries, explosions, denial"

Nah, Samsung doesn't have the Courage to say that.

(They are still working on copying it. Takes a while)