Samsung to Try to Beat Apple to Market with a "Retina" Display Tablet?

[Kaibelf]

You don't know how Android forks work, don't you?

Or any fork of an OS program

You got ALL that from what? Seriously, you are contributing absolutely nothing to these posts except a lame attempt to undermine everyone else by assuming that they don't know tech. We ALL know tech. I've been in the industry for 20 years. Now, if you're done insulting the rest of us, contribute something to the debate or gtfo.

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No its Apples bogus lawsuits that are being rejected worldwide now.

Source? Last I heard they are still on a winning streak.

 

[blackcrayon]

You can't realistically assess the performance of Honeycomb based on your experience using a branched and heavily modified version of Android 2.3.

I realize the original claim was a performance comparison, and I agree you can't compare them. I was only pointing out that both honeycomb and FireOS (whatever it's called) could be considered modified Gingerbread. Perhaps one is more heavily modified in the performance department though. It's hard to say, as I haven't used any Honeycomb tablets with hardware as "low end" as the Kindle Fire's.

 

[Kaibelf]

No its Apples bogus lawsuits that are being rejected worldwide now.

Source? Last I heard they are still on a winning streak.

 

[Swedishbacon]

I walked into a store the other day and I thought I saw an iPad. Turned out it was a samsung-tablet. Feels like they just moved the cameras.

 

[divinox]

Bitchplease. Apple 'invented' the idea that a tablet should be a rectangle with a screen on one of the flat sides. Wow, friggin' genius.

The ipad has succeeded not because of what it looks like, but because of the software (love it or hate it)

Wonderful phrasing and truth spoken at the same time. Amazing!

 

[Oletros]

You got ALL that from what? Seriously, you are contributing absolutely nothing to these posts except a lame attempt to undermine everyone else by assuming that they don't know tech. We ALL know tech. I've been in the industry for 20 years. Now, if you're done insulting the rest of us, contribute something to the debate or gtfo.
streak.

You DON?T know how it work since you're asserting that Google has to say anything about how Amazon publicizes their tablet.

And perhaps you have been working for 20 years but almost all of your claims in that thread has been proven wrong

 

[danahn17]

And, for those wanting to be engaged in who really came up with the first tablet, that would be GOD when she handed down the 10 commandments.

Plenty of pictures of that one in church paintings. Even with different creative shapes.

Next MacRumors headline: "Analyst says Apple to sue God over Tablet Design"

 

[ChazUK]

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You need to learn what you bought. Kindle Fire is based on Android 2.3.x (Gingerbread)

Tell you the truth I didn't really know and had to check. I rechecked after a few people were saying its gingerbread looking at the same article it was for a different device.

So to the other people you were right, to ChazUK you need to learn how to use your people skills.

But after using various Android devices I will believe it once I see for my self.

I've just re-read how I wrote that and it reads really aresholish!

Apologies for that, it wasn't supposed to come across as harsh as it reads.

 

[fpsBeaTt]

I find the comments in response to Samsung copying Apple, interpreting it as being about the retina display, to be hilariously myopic and cognitively undeveloped.

 

[rockrigo]

Source? Last I heard they are still on a winning streak.

If you call getting your injuction withdrawal appeal rejected a win, sure

 

[linuxcooldude]

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I've just re-read how I wrote that and it reads really aresholish!

Apologies for that, it wasn't supposed to come across as harsh as it reads.

No problems, will print a retraction immediately...lol

 

[Eolian]

Apple's being challenged on their state-of-the-art stuff, which will keep them competitive. This is good news. I like seeing Samsung being aggressive here.

I'm an Apple fan and an everyday user of their hardware dating back to '92 but I had the recent opportunity to use a Samsung Infuse 4G for 30 days, and there was a lot to love.

A high-res tablet on this scale running latest Android would be very appealing to me.

 

[divinox]

While Apple didn't INVENT hi-res displays, they may end up executing it properly. Only time will tell. In this case, I'm not sure if Samsung will really go this route, however. I mean, how will they advertise it without Apple's trade dress to rip off? "Samsung Galaxy Tab, featuring Cornea Display"?

The way people have always advertised higher pixel counts (regardless of if its in a camera or a display). As for a snappy buzz-word, it need not be that complicated. Just say: "Better than the iPad". Should do the trick.

 

[vincenz]

We're playing the specs game? Why?

 

[KnightWRX]

Also, I have seen several people on these very boards post about how they know someone (friend, family, coworker) who "got a new iPhone" and then pulls out some generic Android phone. I also have 2 girls who work in my office who asked me to help them with their "iPhones" that were in fact Android handsets.

I have never seen those anecdotes myself on this board aside from what you just posted and frankly my experience in real life has not been so. Even with quite the uneducated mass. They know they have Smartphone that's not an iPhone.

My anecdotes of course don't trump yours, but then again, yours don't trump mine either.

 

[unlinked]

Source? Last I heard they are still on a winning streak.

You may want to read the next story up or get an update on how the case in Australia is going. Aparently there is some chance of the ipad getting banned in China as well but I guess they could just rename it to work around that.

 

[Hattig]

I am well aware of who MAKES the displays. Does Samsumg have the QC and ability to execute a tablet using those hi-res displays CORRECTLY with a UI that isn't jerky and doesn't end up going to market with some kind of interface issues/sluggish feel/bugs? They are great at making panels, but what about everything else contained in a tablet?

Yeah, as this will be their first tabl ... oh, wait.

More to the point, will they encumber the now decent stock Android 4 with their TouchWiz "enhancement" front-end?

Also, will this be a device that still meets the magic sub-$500 price point? Battery life? Samsung isn't the best when it comes to putting out products that consumers get and feel like they got their money's worth. Moto is just as bad (Xoom for example).

I doubt it will be sub $500, as I'm sure it will be the premium product in the range. I doubt this is the only next generation tablet they're working on, so we may see more 7" and 9/10" alternatives too, spanning a price range from $299 to $699, with the 12" at $799 (for example).

 

[KnightWRX]

Just the entire OS.

Actually, no. Amazon does do quite a bit of customization of the Android distribution before bundling it in the Kindle Fire. Google is not associated with them.

Amazon does not market the Kindle Fire as an Android tablet. It is not an Android tablet, it's a Kindle Fire.

Just like Linux on my router using Busybox is not the same as that SLES image running my servers, just like Apple is not shipping Konqueror as a browser on OS X, but rather something called Safari.

You got ALL that from what? Seriously, you are contributing absolutely nothing to these posts except a lame attempt to undermine everyone else by assuming that they don't know tech. We ALL know tech. I've been in the industry for 20 years. Now, if you're done insulting the rest of us, contribute something to the debate or gtfo.

Well, he did have a point that you don't seem to grasp how open source works and what the difference between a project (Android, KHTML, MySQL) and it's forks (Kindle Fire OS, Webkit, MariaDB) are.

And frankly, the industry is so large, it's ok to not know everything about it. What's not ok is to pretend you do.

 

[Hattig]

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There's more than a 50 pixel difference. There are 512 more pixels horizontally and 64 more vertical pixels. Overall 32,768 more pixels on the theoretical Samsung device compared to the theoretical apple device.

Hmm, 512*1080 + 64*1920 + 512*64 = 708, 608 more pixels, actually.

Edit: Actually got the resolutions wrong more pixels horizontally. Also got the vertical resolution wrong. So there are (512 * 1536) + (2048 * 64) + (64 * 512) = 950,272 more pixels on the 2560x1600 display than on a 2048x1536 display. That's 1.5 iPhone 4 displays...

 

[KnightWRX]

double.

 

[kalsta]

That actually is a good thing. Castrated iOS sucks.

So you prefer one Unix-like OS over the other Unix-like OS... Wow.

At least one of those two Unix-like platforms does not need jailbreaking to become fully usable.

Man… have you ever considered changing your username to Whiney? We get it. You don't like iOS.

 

[KnightWRX]

I realize the original claim was a performance comparison, and I agree you can't compare them. I was only pointing out that both honeycomb and FireOS (whatever it's called) could be considered modified Gingerbread. Perhaps one is more heavily modified in the performance department though. It's hard to say, as I haven't used any Honeycomb tablets with hardware as "low end" as the Kindle Fire's.

The difference is whole the underlying OS for the Fire is Gingerbread, Android 2.3. Honeycomb did work at all levels of the OS.

To say both are "Branched" out from the same thing is quite wrong. Working on the underpinnings and the whole UI is quite different from just adding a UI layer on top.

 

[divinox]

Looks like this will boil down to defining marketing, so I'll leave it here.

Lets define it as everything but vision*, and the point remains. Apple were not the sole actor to see use in higher resolution screens. Nor was it the sole actor to move in that direction. Evidence of this have been provided in this thread. Should be no need to debate this further.

* vision is of course crucial part (an extended definition) of marketing, but you should be able to get my point.

I'll limit myself to the most recent pre-iPhone-4 phone mentioned with a >300 PPI display, which was the Samsung S8000 (from 2009; I'll suppose the older ones were worse). I just checked some reviews from the time, and looks like they failed in something more than marketing. Like, providing good battery life, or comfortable usage, or a reason to use the comparatively powerful (and so powerhungry) processor. Even people already complained about lack of sync solutions. And the screen is only 3.1"!

Which is besides the original point. Question was, were others able to see value in higher resolution screens (before "Apple showed the way"). Answer to that question is, unquestionably, yes. Whether they managed to execute properly or not, while relevant in itself, is besides the point.

So, yes, other phones already did the hi-res thing. They failed. That only means that hi-res is no success guarantee. So looks like Apple did something else (big surprise, huh?).

Of course, and naturally. Like stated, its one thing to know what to do, a whole 'nother to know when to do it. In my book, Apple shines the brightest in the latter.

But I'm sure we can redefine marketing to mean whatever Apple did to avoid those pitfalls, and so we can go back to "Apple only does marketing".

Not what i said. Not my point.

I'd say a good dollop of "vision" goes there too.

Of course. However, as evidenced, they were not the only one to envision high-resolution displays.

 

[scoobydoo99]

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Please stop referring to high resolution displays as "retina" (even with quotes) that AREN'T Retina. Apple has Trademarked Retina (issued 09/06/11 s/n 85056810), using it to refer to other companies' products is misleading. Surely you can come up with a descriptive technological description for a high resolution display without applying Apple's Trademark to non-Apple devices (?)

A Microsoft MP3 player ISN'T an iPod, and a Samsung hi-res display ISN'T Retina.

 

[divinox]

Go ahead and make it a 4k screen. It'll still be a worthless derivative piece of *****.

Let's check back next year and see which one people like more.

...until Apple does it. Then it'll be revolutionary, magical and wonderful.