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Samsung to Try to Beat Apple to Market with a "Retina" Display Tablet?

Beat Apple to Market???

Really? Is it that difficult to beat Apple to Market with anything?
I hope not. I believe that any company on any given day should be able to beat Apple to market with anything.

The real question is, can you get it to market before Apple while still keeping your standards high?
Meaning, if the battery life with your standard display was 8 hours, can you get a retina display to market with a battery life of 8 or 8.5 hours? (real world hours, not fabricated lab, ideal settings hours)
That is the real question.

The problem I have noticed with most companies is that they rush a half baked product to market. Mobile phones with 4G speeds but with 2 hours of talk time - seriously????

A bit of advice, I don't care if it's fast, big, bright, light, tiny, or durable - implement your changes to push the market, but take pride in your work, don't rush it and deliver a great product. That's what will set you apart from everyone else. It doesn't matter if your first to penetrate the market. You only have one shot to win over customers, a 3 hour battery life tablet with a retina display is absolute *****!
 
AppleScruff1 said:
Tablets have always been rectangular or on the square side. And most laptops have keyboards too. Michelin and Goodyear tires are both black and round.
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So a qualifier for a tire is "black" and "round". Does that mean obese black people are tires?

Just because most tablets are a certain way, challenge it! Do some innovation and come up with something great that people will love. Maybe it will be a perfect square, or two triangles you fold our to be a square. I don't know, but innovate for Christ's sakes! Stop taking the easy route and innovate!
 
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Mac2012 said:
Wow a whopping 50 pixels he he... now THAT'S a deal breaker! I'd rather give up 50 pixels and use IOS (UNIX) than some crap google OS he he...
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Id give up all but 4 pixels to use ios over android
 
Sora said:
So a qualifier for a tire is "black" and "round". Does that mean obese black people are tires?

Just because most tablets are a certain way, challenge it! Do some innovation and come up with something great that people will love. Maybe it will be a perfect square, or two triangles you fold our to be a square. I don't know, but innovate for Christ's sakes! Stop taking the easy route and innovate!
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Yap, let's forget functionality, is totally secondary
 
hestroy said:
I'm always fascinated how many Apple haters always come here to "discuss". Why they just do't go somewhere else, where they can find some agreement how the Apple is bad and Samsung the best and how Apple copy from Samsung.
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I haven't seen any Apple haters in this thread. I've seen a bunch of "If it's not Apple" haters though. All the hate in fact seems to come in the form of calling this a "copy" of whatever Apple is not yet buying from LG, Samsung and other display manufacturers.
 
Isn't it more than just using a hi-res display on a device that's important? It's going to require moving an awful lot of pixels. Both companis will need a fairly powerful graphics chip and whatever system software to keep everything moving fluidly. It's been said that the Tegra 3 processor is only faster than the A5 chip by a slight margin. If Apple goes with the quad-core A6 it should really have a greater advantage over the Tegra 3. With Apple overseeing the processor design and fitting it with a perfectly matched OS, Apple should have greater control over the results, in theory, that is. ;)
 
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daneoni said:
Copy cats.
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Screen quality was always going to get better anyway with or without apple
 
mijail said:
Maybe "simply" because that's the (mostly marketing-fueled) race in every field.
But you changed the original question, I think. The fact still is that Apple was the first to put that high resolution in a phone, explaining exactly why. Not as "look, my numbers are bigger than yours", but as "with this, you'll have print-like quality". Even touting it as "retina" seems adequate: forget about numbers, this is what you need.

Can't you really see the difference?
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No, at least not if you go beyond the marketing perspective of things (an area the industry have been partaking in - e.g. High Definition). Did others see benefit in higher resolution screens, and work toward that end? Most certainly, not to mention evidently. But yes, Apple are good at marketing. No news there.

World-changing? No. It was even the evident way forward, I'd say (isn't hindsight nice?). Why didn't anyone do that before? Who knows. So, more power to Apple.
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They did. As has been shown in this case. They just failed to market it as successfully. As to why, i've provided two solid points.

I don't know if our difference here is wording or conceptual. In case it's the later, I'd say that the thing Apple does have is the capability to make customers willing to pay. Big difference.
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It may even be huge. Doesn't change squat in terms of ability to think of what you need to push to market. (Cap)ability to push that to the market, now thats a completely different matter. Point: Its not so much Apples superior vision that gives them the edge, but their ability to execute on that vision; i said somewhere else: Apple does obvious things at non-obvious times.
 
Apfeldirektsaft said:
Who cares? Can you imagine how "smooth" Android will run on such a high resolution :D. Won't be fun to use.
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It'll be running Android 4 (check out AnandTech's recent review) on a dual-core 2GHz ARM Cortex A9 with ARM Mali 604 graphics (2x Apple A5 performance).

This isn't Android 2.x versus iOS 5 any longer. The operating systems are broadly comparable now, each with its own advantages. iPad 3 had better be using an Apple A6 with faster CPUs or more CPUs, and faster graphics. Although this is practically a given, I presume that Apple will be using Samsung's 32nm process for the A6 (as the TSMC thing seems to have fallen through).
 
adder7712 said:
The Galaxy S II's screen has a different pixel matrix.

Not sure about phones precluding the Galaxy S II but I believe some of them had the PenTile matrix. Hell, The Droid Razr and the Galaxy Nexus still uses the PenTile matrix probably because of the resolutions of the screen (Razr has a nHD screen while the Galaxy Nexus has a 720p screen). I'm not surprised if Apple had to go PenTile for the elusive iPad 3 with Retina display.
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While i doubt it personally, it sure would be funny to see the reactions to it on this board.
 
Marcus-k said:
Apple haven't even "created" a higher resolution screen yet. It is so far only rumours.
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Yeah sure, but there is one company that knows for for sure what they are working on as far as screen size. Samsung. Thank God they don't get to see the whole design in advance.
 
genovelle said:
Yeah sure, but there is one company that knows for for sure what they are working on as far as screen size. Samsung. Thank God they don't get to see the whole design in advance.
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Of course they do, that's because Samsung innovated the process to make the screen and then told Apple what was possible and sold it to them.

Remember folks, Samsung is a big innovator in display technologies. Credit where credit is due. Apple buys parts and makes products. Samsung makes parts.
 
Great News

Great news if this becomes true. Not like I would buy this anyways, but at least it would guarantee Apple has no choice but to make the iPad 3 with a retina screen.
 
MacRumors said:
The ongoing battle between Samsung and Apple might get a little more intense come February.
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Interesting article ... looks like some nice new technology coming to market soon.

With all the information and rumors about the alleged new ipdad3 coming out in 2012 it is somewhat surprising to me how strong sales of the current ipad2 continue to be.

I do not see myself as an iPad owner ( regardless of display ) for 2 primary reasons. First I really want a built in keyboard and my macbook air does that really well. Second the processing power and memory limitations of the tablets is not exactly what I am wanting to use. The processing power equation will probably change quite a bit over the next several years ...
 
divinox said:
While i doubt it personally, it sure would be funny to see the reactions to it on this board.
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My Samsung Galaxy S II is not using PenTile - however some variants (with 1280x720 screens) are. I also doubt that the iPad 3 will be using anything like PenTile as it will probably stay IPS. Most likely for a mass-market 11.6" tablet Samsung will be using IPS and hence it'll be a native 2560x1536 resolution.
 
KnightWRX said:
Honeycomb and ICS both have hardware accelerated UIs. You both are discussing the Gingerbread and earlier branches.

Complete non-issue.

And now you know...
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No. They have a point. Hardware accelerated or not, Honeycomb still stutters at times and isn't a smooth OS.


Quote from Engadget (Transformer Prime Review)

That said, we were sorry to still see some occasional stutters and hiccups from time to time, instances where the device would hesitate for just a half-second or so before responding. There are three performance modes that are easily selected between in the pop-up settings menu, but even on its highest we couldn't get it to be a consistently smooth operator. They're the kind of stops and starts we've seen on just about every Android device to date and it's a bit of a shame that even four whopping cores running at 1.3GHz can't do away with them.
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And now you know ;)
 
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While Apple didn't invent the idea of higher dpi screens being better, they were the first to market a device with such a high dpi that you can't see the individual pixels. No other manufacturers were anywhere that until the iPhone 4 came out. Taking it to such an excessive level actually was fairly revolutionary.
 
vikingdave said:
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While Apple didn't invent the idea of higher dpi screens being better, they were the first to market a device with such a high dpi that you can't see the individual pixels. No other manufacturers were anywhere that until the iPhone 4 came out. Taking it to such an excessive level actually was fairly revolutionary.
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There were actually devices with very similar dpi depth before the iPhone was released. Apple did coin the term retina display .. not sure that in itself is revolutionary though.
 
As long as Samsung is running the Android strategy (which they will do as long as the market provides them reason to -- at the very least until W8 in other words), software development is out of the question. Hence, they specialize in hardware development.
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And unless Samsung starts taking software development more seriously I believe they will always lag behind Apple. Even if they have to implement their own operating system to do so.




KnightWRX said:
Honeycomb and ICS both have hardware accelerated UIs. You both are discussing the Gingerbread and earlier branches.

Complete non-issue.

And now you know...
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Great in concept, but does not seem to deliver yet.

Its not just Android, it should be Samsung ( And other phone & tablet makers ) who is taking the Android and developing it much better to integrate it with their own hardware. Thats something Android and Google can't do.

We are very lucky to see any updates, if it all to Android phones and tablets once they have been purchased by customers . Often using older versions of Android itself.
 
Marcus-k said:
Apple didn't invent high resolution screens.
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No, they just re-invented them - on mobile devices. Show me who owns the patent for a backlit LED, scratch-proof glass, 960x640 screen with 326 ppi and IPS.

Samsung obviously never realized the value of using high resolution displays on mobile devices otherwise they could have done it years ago, surely?

That's why this rumor is about Samsung yet again simply copying what Apple have done already.
 
vikingdave said:
While Apple didn't invent the idea of higher dpi screens being better, they were the first to market a device with such a high dpi that you can't see the individual pixels. No other manufacturers were anywhere that until the iPhone 4 came out. Taking it to such an excessive level actually was fairly revolutionary.
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Nop, there were some phones with this kind of ppi

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mrjobs said:
No, they just re-invented them - on mobile devices. Show me who owns the patent for a backlit LED, scratch-proof glass, 960x640 screen with 326 ppi and IPS.

Samsung obviously never realized the value of using high resolution displays on mobile devices otherwise they could have done it years ago, surely?
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You're joking, don't you?
 
gkpm said:
Bada is not an OS.

"Bada, as Samsung defines it, is not an operating system itself, but a platform with a kernel configurable architecture, which allows using either a proprietary real-time operating system (RTOS) kernel, or the Linux kernel.[6] According to copyrights displayed by Samsung Wave S8500, it uses code from FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD, although other phones might use Linux instead."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada
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If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck.....
 
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