Samsung Unveils Line of Gear 2 Smart Watches Featuring 'Tizen' Mobile Operating System

[Dave.UK]

Well they haven't though have they. HTC has made their devices look different, as opposed to Samsung being a copycat. Also it's not a month or 2, the health stuff for Apple dates back to March 2013. Nice try though. There's no indication that HTC or Nokia and many others are making a smart watch, so not everyone is moving into that market. If they did, then that would change my mind and I would own up to being wrong. Until then, I'm sticking with my opinion.

So the Galaxy S2, S3 and S4 all look like Apple devices?
The S4 has health tracking software built into it. Im presuming the S5 that will be announced tonight will further add to the health software. Its only common sense that the Galaxy Gear incorporates with the health software on the phone.

How some of your elite apple fans can say Samsung is copying a non-existent, non-announced iWatch is beyond me!

 

[apolloa]

Well they haven't though have they. HTC has made their devices look different, as opposed to Samsung being a copycat. Samsung are proven as copycats and they have been proven to be underhand with forum comment faking and review faking. Also it's not a month or 2, the health stuff for Apple dates back to March 2013. Nice try though. There's no indication that HTC or Nokia and many others are making a smart watch, so not everyone is moving into that market. If they did, then that would change my mind and I would own up to being wrong. Until then, I'm sticking with my opinion.

Sooooo.... you are now accusing Samsung of being copycats of a device that NO ONE has EVER seen, and the ONLY proof you have it even exists is based on analysts rumours? Your blind unfounded mad accusations know no bounds do they?

I also want to see proof of these apparent iWatch health monitoring rumours from March last year.

And as for HTC Smart Watches, well as you only read Apple sites it's no surprise you missed these rumours:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/news/a552553/htc-to-launch-smartwatch-at-mobile-world-congress.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...veal-one-wearable-device-week-select-few.html
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/others/news...device-by-year-end-smartwatch-expected-479995

And so far we have had a Blackberry Smart watch from the Pebble team, the I'm Watch, the Swap smart watch, the Motorola Activ, and these have been the ones I know about over the LAST FEW YEARS!

Then we also had the SPOT watches, go and google that one.

And now we have devices from LG, Samsung, Razor, Sony, Some Swiss manufacturers, QualComm, Pebble, Martian, ConnecteDevice, Archos, Huawei, Casio, plus tons and tons and tons more.

In fact, if I didn't know better I would say all these ridiculous accusations aimed at Samsung are based on jealousy, jealousy because your beloved electronics brand has failed to launch a device before everyone else has, and Apple has in NO way started the wearable technology market, analysts were saying for a long time it would be the next big thing.

 

[Popeye206]

If Apple can make a fitness band/watch with the same features as Samsung's i.e. Pedometer, stand alone mp3, gyroscope, and HR monitor with a GPS, I am buying Apple's

I hope this lights a fire under Apple's arse and release a fully featured device instead of Samsung's first gen Gear

The pressure is on for Apple… they will be "late" in the game and have to show something that really makes the iWatch "worth the wait". If it's similar to other smart watches, then you'd have to really wonder why it took so long.

 

[Jess13]

I think you'll find that image was used in court proceedings.

Anyway, I couldn't care less who copied who! Everyone copies everyone! We all as consumers win in the end. The fact that some people such as yourself take it so personally I find quite worrying!

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As I said, everyone copies everyone.

Nice try, but fail.

The only thing similar about "Notification bar" is the volume slider, that Apple has had in its OS X for many years prior, plus in iOS music player since before "Notification bar" existed. The "HTC Multitasking" looks like it was stolen straight from Apple coverflow, that I have had in OS X since 2005 with OS X Tiger, it even has the Apple-created and popularized reflections beneath the image. The "ICS Lockscreen" shows an image/wallpaper with dots, I would bet you $100 it wasn't animated like Apple iOS 7's is when you tilt your iPhone, instead the "ICS Lockscreen" simply is a still. "Google Music" proves what? That is has square album cover art, that Apple has had in iTunes since before Google Music existed?

Try harder.

 

[Irishman]

How does Tizen on a watch integrate with Android on a phone?

 

[samcraig]

So that begets the glaringly obvious question:

If your prototype image mattered, which it doesn't, then why didn't Scamsung use that for their defence? Why didn't Scamsung win? Because what you posted doesn't matter.

It's clear from this statement that you don't know many details about the court case(s).

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How does Tizen on a watch integrate with Android on a phone?

Not sure I understand the question. How would integration be any different than how Pebble - with it's own OS integrates with both iOS and Android?

 

[Dave.UK]

Nice try, but fail.

The only thing similar about "Notification bar" is the volume slider, that Apple has had in its OS X for many years prior, plus in iOS music player since before "Notification bar" existed. The "HTC Multitasking" looks like it was stolen straight from Apple coverflow, that I have had in OS X since 2005 with OS X Tiger, it even has the Apple-created and popularized reflections beneath the image. The "ICS Lockscreen" shows an image/wallpaper with dots, I would bet you $100 it wasn't animated like Apple iOS 7's is when you tilt your iPhone, instead the "ICS Lockscreen" simply is a still. "Google Music" proves what? That is has square album cover art, that Apple has had in iTunes since before Google Music existed?

Try harder.

But were talking about ios and Android. Why are you bringing OS X to the party! It obivious Apple can do no wrong in your eyes. Oh well, heres a few more for you:

As I said, everyone borrows. Its us the consumer that wins in the end.

 

[kdarling]

(HTC rumors, Motorola watch, etc)

And now we have devices from LG, Samsung, Razor, Sony, Some Swiss manufacturers, QualComm, Pebble, Martian, ConnecteDevice, Archos, Huawei, Casio, plus tons and tons and tons more.

Plus the WIMM watch that was bought by Google, who is rumored to be soon bringing their own watch out based on the Google Now + Glass UI paradigm.

Finally, I have to note that I just bought one of those $100-130 SmartQ Z watches from China, and I'm quite surprised at how nice it is. Color, thin, lightweight, goes for almost 48 hours in standby, automatically turns on when you lift your wrist up, has a bunch of watchfaces, a pedometer/calorie counter, can get any notification from an Android phone (no iOS support that I know of), and can communicate over both Bluetooth and WiFi. The touch UI is based on swiping left-right and up-down, plus a two-finger "back" stroke. I look forward to their next models.

...and Apple has in NO way started the wearable technology market, analysts were saying for a long time it would be the next big thing.

Yep, the idea of wearable has been around forever. Like everything else, it's greatly a matter of when the tech gets cheap/small enough.

 

[Jess13]

But were talking about ios and Android. Why are you bringing OS X to the party! It obivious Apple can do no wrong in your eyes. Oh well, heres a few more for you:

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As I said, everyone borrows. Its us the consumer that wins in the end.

Because OS X existed before Android. Those other images you provided are better examples that make an argument for copying, albeit in some cases, very slightly.

 

[Dave.UK]

Because OS X existed before Android. Those other images you provided are better examples that make an argument for copying, albeit in some cases, very slightly.

But OS X isnt on the iPhone or iPad, so is irrelevant!

 

[apolloa]

Nice try, but fail.

The only thing similar about "Notification bar" is the volume slider, that Apple has had in its OS X for many years prior, plus in iOS music player since before "Notification bar" existed. The "HTC Multitasking" looks like it was stolen straight from Apple coverflow, that I have had in OS X since 2005 with OS X Tiger, it even has the Apple-created and popularized reflections beneath the image. The "ICS Lockscreen" shows an image/wallpaper with dots, I would bet you $100 it wasn't animated like Apple iOS 7's is when you tilt your iPhone, instead the "ICS Lockscreen" simply is a still. "Google Music" proves what? That is has square album cover art, that Apple has had in iTunes since before Google Music existed?

Try harder.

Erm? Wireless sync, over the air updates, News Stand, Notification Centre, they were all on Android before iOS.
But as for the magical 'pull down notification centre introduced in iOS 5', Android has had that since it was launched, Apple blatantly copied Android with that idea.

Here's a story from 2012 when on Google's patent which was still pending back then on the notification centre that looks remarkably like Apple's implementation:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Goog...tion-Bar-in-2009-patent-still-pending_id26972

And if you want to see someone copying Apple, take a look at this device launched this week, in fact they have managed to copy Apple AND HTC, clever them, it's Huwaie by the way:

 

[spinedoc77]

Simply amazing that a thread like this not only goes on for 12 pages - but is a rehash of every other Samsung/Apple thread on this forum. Actually - it's not amazing. Predictable and sad.

Yep, there are a lot of stupid people in this world who will argue incessantly about which company is "better". I'll bet it goes on for another 30 pages.

Personally I think it's ok looking, I thought the gear 1 was fugly until I saw it in person and realized it's not as large as I thought it was. Now that you can change the band and it's a bit slimmer I think it's decent looking in that 80s casio calculator watch way, hey if you have a smartwatch it's going to look like a smartwatch I don't see how much more you are going to compress the screen size.

I think Samsung is making a mistake with Tizen though, but maybe that's just because I was really looking forward to having Android and being able to root it and play around with it. I might pick one up, but it better be priced no more than $199 IMO.

 

[apolloa]

Plus the WIMM watch that was bought by Google, who is rumored to be soon bringing their own watch out based on the Google Now + Glass UI paradigm.

Finally, I have to note that I just bought one of those $100-130 SmartQ Z watches from China, and I'm quite surprised at how nice it is. Color, thin, lightweight, goes for almost 48 hours in standby, automatically turns on when you lift your wrist up, has a bunch of watchfaces, a pedometer/calorie counter, can get any notification from an Android phone (no iOS support that I know of), and can communicate over both Bluetooth and WiFi. The touch UI is based on swiping left-right and up-down, plus a two-finger "back" stroke. I look forward to their next models.



Yep, the idea of wearable has been around forever. Like everything else, it's greatly a matter of when the tech gets cheap/small enough.

Yeap, at present buying cheap is the only way to get a smart watch because this is now an area where the tech will just speed away, news devices every few months.
If I wanted one I would currently get the cheaper of the new Samsung Gear devices. But I just got a lovely Tissot T-Touch watch for my birthday haha. It is going to last a lot longer then a smart watch I think/ hope. But it does leave my other wrist free for a smart fitness band watch thingy, to which I like the LG device.

 

[vomhorizon]

But OS X isnt on the iPhone or iPad, so is irrelevant!

Who cares? Is it not a software? Owned and designed by apple? Can they not take cues from it? Would it not be logical to have certain "look" and "style" cues come from the big-brother software within the same company? I can see a lot of similarity with a lot of software on multiple OS's...

 

[samcraig]

Because OS X existed before Android. Those other images you provided are better examples that make an argument for copying, albeit in some cases, very slightly.

Sorry - I know I'm late to this "discussion" you're having - but remind me how or why you're the arbiter of what is or is not a viable example or the final say?

I probably missed it earlier in the thread.

 

[Irishman]

It's clear from this statement that you don't know many details about the court case(s).

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Not sure I understand the question. How would integration be any different than how Pebble - with it's own OS integrates with both iOS and Android?

My question contained within it (I thought, at least) my intent. This is certainly going to change how exactly Samsung integrates its watch with its phones. Is switching to Tizen supposed to help widen out the number of phones (especially non-Samsung phones) that the Gear can integrate with? Your analogy to Pebble isn't an apt one here, as Pebble doesn't restrict its own compatibility with smart phones like Samsung does with the Gear. It tries to widen it to as many as possible.

Is switching to Tizen going to change the number of non Kit-Kat devices the new Gear 2 can sync and integrate to?

 

[samcraig]

My question contained within it (I thought, at least) my intent. This is certainly going to change how exactly Samsung integrates its watch with its phones. Is switching to Tizen supposed to help widen out the number of phones (especially non-Samsung phones) that the Gear can integrate with? Your analogy to Pebble isn't an apt one here, as Pebble doesn't restrict its own compatibility with smart phones like Samsung does with the Gear. It tries to widen it to as many as possible.

Is switching to Tizen going to change the number of non Kit-Kat devices the new Gear 2 can sync and integrate to?

That I don't know. Would there be specific hardware (and software) requirements on the host phone.

 

[Dave.UK]

Who cares? Is it not a software? Owned and designed by apple? Can they not take cues from it? Would it not be logical to have certain "look" and "style" cues come from the big-brother software within the same company? I can see a lot of similarity with a lot of software on multiple OS's...

Maybe if it had been on ios from day one,two or three but it wasn't.

I do like how people who are pro apple like to widen the goal posts during a discussion!

 

[vomhorizon]

Maybe if it had been on ios from day one,two or three but it wasn't.

Why? If a feature or a "look" is present on apple's PHC software, why would it qualify as a source of inspiration for its mobile software only if it had been on the mobile software from day 1?

I do like how people who are pro apple like to widen the goal posts during a discussion!

Not really (in my case)..All i am saying is that if a particular look or appearence has been done by apple on a different software its entirely possible that they extended this to the mobile software cousin. I wont shy away from the fact that apple has had to think long and hard on IOS post android, and their is a good reason for android fans to believe that apple has used a feature that they have used on android for a long time, just as apple fans were really amazed at the look of android post iOS and how certain common features and capabilities emerged..

 

[Michael Goff]

No, crazy comments would be from the people who routinely defend a company like Samsung or Google who has made their living copying other peoples products and never coming up with anything on their own.

Eh? No ideas of their own?

 

[Jess13]

But OS X isnt on the iPhone or iPad, so is irrelevant!

Not irrelevant if visual elements are obviously copied from, such as that Coverflow imitation with the same Apple created reflections that already existed several years before that phone OS implementation.

 

[aristotle]

According to data from december Android has more than 50% of smartphone subscribers's share. If you believe given this data that Android is not successful the one in need of a reality check is you. I don't even unterstand this childish hate for Android. Anyway Tizen is an interesting project and the more competition the better.

Here is a pro tip. Read other peoples comments to the very end before you reply to them. The first iteration of the Samsung watch ran Android and it had horrible battery life. You speak of childish behaviour and yet you act like I hurt your feelings by pointing out a possible issue with the scalability of Android to a watch form factor. It appears that android is not well suited for use in watches.

Please leave your histrionics at the door if you wish to participate with other adults. Thanks in advance.

 

[cube]

Same thing in this context. But really, who cares? It was just a comment. Get a life.

Commending is not the same as fanboyism.

"just a comment" multiplied by thousands is very annoying.

 

[kdarling]

Reports say they sold just under 50,000. Not six.

Samsung said it sold 800,000 Galaxy Gear in two months.

To my surprise, Amazon reviewers have given it pretty good marks, especially after the update that gave more notifications.

However, I think they goofed by not making it work with all types of phones. That's usually the kind of proprietary sales that Apple is known for.

 

[Michael Goff]

Not irrelevant if visual elements are obviously copied from, such as that Coverflow imitation with the same Apple created reflections that already existed several years before that phone OS implementation.

So I take it you're on the side of the camp that says Samsung isn't copying the finger print scanner? After all, their implantation sounds more like what you saw on laptops than what you see on the iPhone.