Well that's not my problem.Nope, I didn't.
You're one sale ain't gonna help Samsung's flop.I'm on my second foldable as soon as the new one comes in and it'll be replacing my iphone as my primary phone.
Well that's not my problem.Nope, I didn't.
You're one sale ain't gonna help Samsung's flop.I'm on my second foldable as soon as the new one comes in and it'll be replacing my iphone as my primary phone.
I just don't get the desire for these phones.
You're not alone by a huge stretch. I assure you.I just don't get the desire for these phones.
Taking in consideration how unconvincing and ultra subjective(out of necessity) your arguments are I'm sure sure they will.You knew it was a typo especially when I said SHIPPED in the post. Doesn't matter anyway, this product will be history and forgotten about at some point soon.
Sales are a reflection of marketing, that’s about it. Lots of times worse products are more successful, and the network effect is strong to make it impossible to catch up.But it’s not reflecting in sales. So it’s clearly not something the mass want when it comes to flagship devices. S21 ultra for one is an amazing phone but the sales are below Samsung’s expectations
Under display camera is good for content but produces awful photos. So I wouldn’t say this is a positive at this stage. We all know Apple wouldn’t release that until it was perfect and usable. Samsung are happy releasing it even if the quality is bad that’s the difference
Samsung will always bring our new tech first as they are happy releasing it and developing it year on year. Apple would only release features when in their eyes it’s ready for a mass market of people.
There are fanboys as they prefer iOS and don’t like the android software experience and to them they will wait for features
if that were the case Samsung flagships phones would sell amazing. They spend millions on marketing.Sales are a reflection of marketing, that’s about it. Lots of times worse products are more successful, and the network effect is strong to make it impossible to catch up.
Neither you nor I know anything like that for the future, but only 1 of us is worried about it now, apparently. I'll worry about what's available when I want to replace my Z Flip.Well that's not my problem.
You're one sale ain't gonna help Samsung's flop.
I'm not worried about anything. Seems to be that you are in fact. 😂. I don't care about this product. You keep quoting my posts trying to "straighten me out". That's all you've been doing today. You reached out to me initially today and you can't seem to stop. 😂. This is a loser product from Samsung. Plain and simple. If it weren't you'd be confident enough not to have to attack my posts about it or say anything at all. Afterall I stopped posting about this 2 days ago. LOL.Neither you nor I know anything like that for the future, but only 1 of us is worried about it now, apparently. I'll worry about what's available when I want to replace my Z Flip.![]()
Seems pretty obvious: A phone that easily transforms into a small tablet and a phone that folds in half for easier portability. May not be for you or me, but it doesn't take much imagination to understand how there's a demand for such products.
I see the galaxy fold as more of a tablet that you need to unfold in order to use.
Yes, I could choose to use the fold in candy bar phone mode, but then the tall and narrow form factor makes it awkward. Or I could unfold it for a larger display, and that to me is where the problems start.
Think about how you use your smartphone. Think about how many times you take it out of your pocket, use it for a short period of time, then put it back in. Rinse and repeat throughout the day. It doesn’t take a genius to realise that having to unfold, then fold your phone every time you do this gets annoying and cumbersome very quickly.
One poster above was raving about the technology that went into the galaxy fold and how the iphone was clearly behind. Which brings me back to my original point. Technology is the means, user experience is the end. All this folding screen and hidden camera tech isn’t coming together to create an experience that users want. It’s just giving them more issues that they need to contend with.
I am sure there are people whose lifestyles suit these devices, but I am of the opinion that the majority of users are still better with a conventional smartphone form factor. Use the money and get an iPhone 12 and iPad mini instead. I think they will get mileage out of this.
Hey, I'm not switching from iPhone anytime soon. My point was there are PLENTY of people who will go for these. It's not hard to see the attraction, even if you and I aren't convinced enough to go for it.
And my point is that the number of people who have need for a folding tablet is likely still in the overwhelming minority, given the tradeoff it entails.
If you'll go back and look at my original comment, I was replying to someone who said he didn't get the desire for these phones. I think it's pretty obvious why people want them. I don't care what percentage of the market that is - it's still pretty apparent they appeal to enough people for a company to put all this research and development into them.
It would seem that Samsung had been researching flexible displays from as early as 2012 or 2013. I suspect this may be a scenario where Samsung R&D came up with the technology first, and now Samsung is trying to create a use case for it in the form of folding phones.
You're right, it could just be a marketing push to pay for old research. But even so, I actually like the fold and flip design, and I just ordered my second version and I'm sure I'll like it even better. What the future brings I can't know for sure, but plastic based flexible OLED is coming out in far more than just foldable phones, and the tech will be here for a long time to come. (until something better comes along!)I would beg to differ.
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Samsung's folding screen tech has been stolen and sold to China
Samsung's latest bendable screen technology has been stolen and sold to two Chinese companies, according to prosecutors in South Korea.edition.cnn.com
It would seem that Samsung had been researching flexible displays from as early as 2012 or 2013. I suspect this may be a scenario where Samsung R&D came up with the technology first, and now Samsung is trying to create a use case for it in the form of folding phones.
This may suggest that Samsung is pushing folding phones like no tomorrow not necessarily because they believe such a concept makes sense for users, but because they have already sunk all this money in developing said screen technology, and now feel pressured to recoup that R&D money back in some way (both in the way of selling phones, and from selling the folding screen tech to other companies looking to hop on this bandwagon). It also gives them an extra marketing point over Apple by positioning Samsung as innovators.
This is the complete opposite of what a company like Apple would do, where they first decide on the experience they would like users to have, then work backwards from there to try and piece together this experience using existing tech.
I do feel that there is a market and a use case for flexible screens, but that this technology makes more sense on wearables like smart glasses where your display is not necessarily flat or straight. Not so much smartphones where the durability of the screen remains a major concern.
I just feel that Samsung is going about this all wrong.
2.5M shipped isn't much especially when you're talking about worldwide shipping. Microsoft sold 2M+ Zunes in 2 years and where are the Zunes? lol. This foldable stuff is nonsense and it just shows that Samsung has no power of innovation. These devices are thick, gimmicky, have obvious design flaws and are designed
And?You realize Samsung makes a lot of the internal parts that Apple uses, right?
True. Samsung will also have issues competing in western markets being an Asian based company.if that were the case Samsung flagships phones would sell amazing. They spend millions on marketing.
Apple products are successful due to amount of people which love IOS and how it runs over a long period of time and how it works together with other devices and services.
user experience will always top specs for most people
A company can be good in some areas and not as good in others.You realize Samsung makes a lot of the internal parts that Apple uses, right?
Highly unlikely.It would seem that Samsung had been researching flexible displays from as early as 2012 or 2013. I suspect this may be a scenario where Samsung R&D came up with the technology first, and now Samsung is trying to create a use case for it in the form of folding phones.
This may suggest that Samsung is pushing folding phones like no tomorrow not necessarily because they believe such a concept makes sense for users, but because they have already sunk all this money in developing said screen technology, and now feel pressured to recoup that R&D money back in some way (both in the way of selling phones, and from selling the folding screen tech to other companies looking to hop on this bandwagon).
It also gives them an extra marketing point over Apple by positioning Samsung as innovators.
This also doesn't make a lot of sense. You can't just think about the experience first without taking in consideration the hardware because once you move past the "experience" and look at the hardware possibilities you will have to alter that "experience" so you are just wasting time with such a strategy.This is the complete opposite of what a company like Apple would do, where they first decide on the experience they would like users to have, then work backwards from there to try and piece together this experience using existing tech.
I do feel that there is a market and a use case for flexible screens, but that this technology makes more sense on wearables like smart glasses where your display is not necessarily flat or straight. Not so much smartphones where the durability of the screen remains a major concern.
I just feel that Samsung is going about this all wrong.
To be able to sell flexible displays, there needs to first be a market for flexible displays.Honestly your supposition doesn't even make a lot of sense, the technology would have been developed by Samsung Display(which is only part of Samsung Electronics) and in order to capitalize on it they could just sell flexible/bendable displays
Which is why some Apple products take so long to come out, or come with controversial tradeoffs. Either because the tech isn't ready, and / or it takes time to come out with a custom solution in the absence of said tech, or Apple is willing to compromise in numerous other areas just to enable that one "killer experience".This also doesn't make a lot of sense. You can't just think about the experience first without taking in consideration the hardware because once you move past the "experience" and look at the hardware possibilities you will have to alter that "experience" so you are just wasted time with such a strategy.
From what I am observing, Apple is leveraging on their strong iPhone install base to launch their wearables platform (Apple Watch, AirPods, rumoured Apple Glasses).I strongly disagree, Samsung is on the right track with foldable phones.
Smart glasses? that sounds totally uninteresting.
There already is a market for flexible displays, there's no need for Samsung to invest incredible amounts of resources in developing foldable smartphones.To be able to sell flexible displays, there needs to first be a market for flexible displays.
Why else do you think Samsung is pushing this tech so hard? If not for folding phones, who would even buy such technology, and for what purpose exactly?
Which is why some Apple products take so long to come out, or come with controversial tradeoffs. Either because the tech isn't ready, and / or it takes time to come out with a custom solution in the absence of said tech, or Apple is willing to compromise in numerous other areas just to enable that one "killer experience".
The reason why Apple has not made made a smartphone with a hardware keyboard, a netbook, a circular smartwatch, or a foldable phone, and instead created the iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, AirPods, and is now working of Glasses, is design, with Apple designers calling the shots, and searching for and having technology made to serve the product experience, and not engineers excited about about new hot tech and trying to turn it into a product.
This is an odd thing to say because it's not like the original iphone didn't have a lot of compromises and the hardware keyboard definitely wasn't one of them. The fact that it didn't have 3G was way more important.The reason why Apple has not made made a smartphone with a hardware keyboard
I mean it's not like you work for Apple and you actually know the reasons behind their strategies. Maybe it's not because of what you imagine.I initially had the same reaction as you when I learnt about Apple's design led process, but over time, I have come to appreciate how it allows Apple to set itself apart from the competition, and why their products sometimes come with head-scratching and seemingly baffling design choices.
From what I am observing, Apple is leveraging on their strong iPhone install base to launch their wearables platform (Apple Watch, AirPods, rumoured Apple Glasses).
Samsung either doesn't think that wearables is an avenue worth pursuing, or they realise that they have no hope of catching up to Apple in this regard and so have chosen to double down on smartphones. We will just have to wait and see.
If their UI is awful, so is everyone else. No one has had a problem with plastic backs. Premium phones run upwards of one grand now. Samsung has sold plastic back phones in the billions. Putting what you consider as "high class" material on a phone doesn't make it perform better. We get it, Samsung could make a phone made of silk and diamonds and you'd still scoff at it because you have such love for one brand and disdain for the other.And?
Whats that got to do with Samsungs awful UI design and using plastic backs on $800 phones? Sorry, did you buy a Samsung and feel silly for buying an inferior product?
Can I just point out that I really want a smartphone like they had in Westworld. Triple fold out to iPad mini would be sick.NGL the first iPhone Pro that folds out into an iPad mini has my name on it.