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Even if they find 2 other vendors to supply DRAM, that still means Samsung is going to supply roughly 1/3 of the DRAMs in the handsets.

It's not like there's a million other component vendors. Apple is going to be stuck with Samsung for a long time.

..and Samsung is in the process of shifting the Austin Plant from mostly DRAM production to Chips. :apple:
 
I know exactly what Revenue and profit are :p

I might not have worded my post very well (heads a bit muddled today from concussion).

I'm just saying that out of something like 4.5 Billion PROFIT, 1 billion hurts it, But hardly sends Samsung scraping for funds.

I can't picture you having a concussion. You are reading too well. Reading has a tendency to cause a reduction in comprehension of your concussion. This is largely due to ducks and mustard. If you truly had a concussion, you would Samsung not elevator.

No Lord Vic, I do not think you have suffered a banana.
 
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Couldn't Samesung cut some of their infringement debts, at least the ones that pertain to the trade dress in the OS, by changing those elements and issuing a software update?
 
First - When the original iPhone was introduced, no discounts were available. Customers paid full price-up to $599 for the 8GB model.

So there were no subsidies.

Second - There's a difference between short term and long term business decisions. Short term - it might have been a great one. Long term, and without the knowledge details of Android's business plan could change that to a not-so-good-business decision as pointed out by KDarling as others as it allowed Android to get a strong footholding.

Damn, I can't believe I paid that much for the first iPhone... I'm pretty cheap. ;)

But you see... a problem with NOT allowing android to gain lots of ground, is that then you have to worry about monopoly suits. Similar to what hit Microsoft. Would it be great to have 80% of the market today? Sure... but I think they are perfectly happy with how things are (aside from the copy-cats, which probably would have occurred at a greater level HAD they owned 80% of the market). They have over $100B in cash, are the most valued company in the world, they have arguably the most loyal customer base on the planet. So in hindsight, love the company or hate them, you have to admit... There are FEW business decisions they made that were bad in the last 10 years or so. (Those Genius commercials do come to mind though).
 
Who here doesn't already think that Samsung has already put at risk its Apple supply contract? :apple:

I don't. It's business. Samsung makes good products. So they are copy-cats... they still make very good quality stuff. Apple will have (and IS having) a difficult time finding someone who can meet their demand for quantity and quality. As long as Samsung keeps the quality high, and the prices competitive... Apple is not moving on. (IMO)
 
I wonder is Braun has a case agains Apple now.
Since Apple copied many of Braun's (Dieter Rams) designs:

Dieter-Rams_Apple_Design.jpg


http://blog.dnaadvertising.co.uk/2010/01/12/good-design-dieter-rams-exhibition
 
If Samsung used the A5 or A5X chip designs in their smartphones without permission, it would be trivially easy for Apple to prove it, and it would not require a draw-out trial to get it shut down.

Anyways, the pure hardware technology in iPhones is not what sets them apart.

The Enynos chips are vastly superior to apples A5-A5x chips anyway so why would they
 
When the iPhone first came out, it wasn't subsidized. At least, not in the normal manner at up front sale time.

Apple initially sold the phone at a high price for a nice profit, and then ALSO took a monthly fee for each customer... money which usually was put aside for a subsidy for the customer. Basically, Apple was double dipping at the expense of the user.

That business model couldn't last, however. Partly because Apple had to radically drop the price to keep selling, and partly because so many phones were ending up on other networks that didn't pay the monthly fee.

But I digress. The exclusivity came about because, by mid 2006, Apple had no big carrier partner yet. Verizon had been turning them down starting back in mid 2005 (understandable with no product to see), and AT&T (Cingular) had made no move either, even though they had known about Apple's phone plans since early 2005.

So AT&T (Cingular) was in the driver's seat in many ways. It was no extra skin off their back to give the customer subsidy to Apple on a monthly basis, and they didn't have the thriving app/ringtone business that Verizon did at the time. So they basically gave up nothing in return for Apple agreeing to a long exclusivity. It was win-win for AT&T.

The initial sale model doesn't preclude the subsidization conversation from being part of the agreement. After all, you pointed out the monthly contribution was essentially the subsidization already. My argument was that no other carrier was likely to play ball with that. So my question still stands. Was it about marketshare, or profit per device and ecosystem control?

Yeah, but think how different things might be if Apple hadn't given Android four years of total freedom from competition in over half the US market.

It probably would have worked out better for apple that way, I agree. But would they be happy with profit per device, and would they have had the control they wanted all along?
 
Samsung doesn't get components from Apple. So how exactly are they diversifying their supply relationship? Telling Apple to take a hike? Raising their prices?

I took it to mean Samsung wont be buying as many iPhones going forward to fuel their research and development. :)
 
Apple will be working to move on from getting parts from Samsung as fast as they can. May take a while but I wouldn't be surprised if that's their goal.


Maybe you should tell them they are going about it wrong as their dependence on Samsung increased 60% from 2011 to 2012 up to over 7 billion.
 
Don't take this the wrong way, your numbers are a bit wonky.

To put it simply, revenue is how much you bring in. Profit is how much of that, you get to keep, after you subtract all your expenses.

It's like saying, I earned 100 dollars, however, after subtracting all my expenses, I got to keep $1,000,000,000 out of the $100.

Only Enron and MCI/Worldcomm can make those kind of profits!
 
Samsung should just stop supplying parts straight away. That would really hit Apple were it hurts in the short term and may even prevent them producing any iPhones and/or iPads. Ok Samsung would loose out on the revenue but if it were me it worth be worth it just to wipe the smirk of that arrogant c*** Tim Cook's face for a short while.
 

The entire design language Apple uses was created by Braun design more specifically Dieter Rams in the 1960.

On the left is a detail of a 1960s Braun T1000 radio on the right a G5 tower.

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http://vimeo.com/1874819

There is nothing wrong with that though.
They practice Dieter Rams 10 principles of good design:

Good Design Is Innovative
Good Design Makes a Product Useful
Good Design Is Aesthetic
Good Design Makes A Product Understandable
Good Design Is Unobtrusive
Good Design Is Honest
Good Design Is Long-lasting
Good Design Is Thorough Down to the Last Detail
Good Design Is Environmentally Friendly
Good Design Is as Little Design as Possible


http://mcculleydesign.posterous.com/dieter-rams-braun-and-apples-jonathan-ives-ap

I love apple products but i also know design history.
 
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They can't do any different

Apple just showed their major supplier that, if they want to make their own phone, they're going to have to do it in an original way or they will have to license. They don't get a free ride on Google's back.
 
I admit I have little knowledge in this area, so pardon my stupid question...

Why doesn't Apple just make their own chips? They couldn't even set up shop in another country to avoid paying a fair American wage, couldn't they?
 
Samsung should just stop supplying parts straight away. That would really hit Apple were it hurts in the short term and may even prevent them producing any iPhones and/or iPads. Ok Samsung would loose out on the revenue but if it were me it worth be worth it just to wipe the smirk of that arrogant c*** Tim Cook's face for a short while.

And it would involve defaulting on so many billions of dollars of contracts they have signed that Samsung would belong to Apple before they got finished with the court cases. Apple pays Samsung a lot of money for those mass preorders, and I'm sure the details are spelled out in great detail. When we went to global free trade, the legal system became very important. Sign a contract, take the money, then you have to fulfill the contract.
 
The entire design language Apple uses was created by Braun design more specifically Dieter Rams in the 1960.

On the left is a detail of a 1960s Braun product on the right a G5 tower.

Image

There is nothing wrong with that though.
They practice Dieter Rams 10 principles of good design:

Good Design Is Innovative
Good Design Makes a Product Useful
Good Design Is Aesthetic
Good Design Makes A Product Understandable
Good Design Is Unobtrusive
Good Design Is Honest
Good Design Is Long-lasting
Good Design Is Thorough Down to the Last Detail
Good Design Is Environmentally Friendly
Good Design Is as Little Design as Possible


http://mcculleydesign.posterous.com/dieter-rams-braun-and-apples-jonathan-ives-ap

I love apple products but i also know design history.

Geez, you are the ultimate lurker. You lied in wait 10 years to make 2 posts about apple design history similarity with braun design history.
 
Samsung is investing US$4Billion in the US to produce stuff for... Apple. They're not going to want to lose that investment on the outcome of this one case.

Also, Samsung keeps harping on about innovation over litigation -- well, Apple has been doing all the innovating and Samsung (along with others) want to skin Apple over the use of FRAND patents, which they conveniently forgot to say is being investigated by the European Commissioner.
 
The entire design language Apple uses was created by Braun design more specifically Dieter Rams in the 1960.

On the left is a detail of a 1960s Braun product on the right a G5 tower.

Image

There is nothing wrong with that though.
They practice Dieter Rams 10 principles of good design:

Good Design Is Innovative
Good Design Makes a Product Useful
Good Design Is Aesthetic
Good Design Makes A Product Understandable
Good Design Is Unobtrusive
Good Design Is Honest
Good Design Is Long-lasting
Good Design Is Thorough Down to the Last Detail
Good Design Is Environmentally Friendly
Good Design Is as Little Design as Possible


http://mcculleydesign.posterous.com/dieter-rams-braun-and-apples-jonathan-ives-ap

I love apple products but i also know design history.

Umm, is this supposed to prove something? A design patent would lapse in some time. Copying a look from the past doesn't have to be paid for. It's lapsed -- unless they're still selling a ton of stuff that looks just like a G5-- though I think it would also have to mimic the function of the G5 for it to be pertinent, and that would be difficult for a coffeemaker or radio to do. There might be a question, probably quickly dismissed, for a "look and feel" suit; you remember how well that worked for Apple, no? As Google says, "Everything old is new again," but copying what another company had a big success with, daring them to file a suit, just might not work.
 
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