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Umm, is this supposed to prove something? A design patent would lapse in some time. Copying a look from the past doesn't have to be paid for. It's lapsed -- unless they're still selling a ton of stuff that looks just like a G5-- though I think it would also have to mimic the function of the G5 for it to be pertinent, and that would be difficult for a coffeemaker or radio to do. There might be a question, probably quickly dismissed, for a "look and feel" suit; you remember how well that worked for Apple, no? As Google says, "Everything old is new again," but copying what another company had a big success with, daring them to file a suit, just might not work.

Also... One is a Razor used for shaving, the other is a computer. </sarcasm>
 
But not so smart as to make sure the phone division didn't piss off their second biggest customer.... Apple is ready to take all their parts contracts AND the $3 billion! Why should Apple foot the bill for their own award in court? Those contracts are worth around $6 Billion... A year!!! Taking those away will be SERIOUS punishment.

Are you an idiot?
Oh don't bother to answer,the same way you say it,it could be samsung saying screw you apple and then you wouldn't have idevises for a year and apple would plunge in huge expenses to "put" other companies making the hw or make their own factories(apple).
But this is businness there are contracts for years and if you breach them you pay big $.
 
Bite the hand that feeds you Apple.......

Which is exactly what they have done with Apple CEO Tim Cook celebrating the win. He should have remained quiet.

No. He dun it right. :D

Warn the rest of the evil world not to "mess wid us!".
 
I wonder is Braun has a case agains Apple now.
Since Apple copied many of Braun's (Dieter Rams) designs:

Does Braun produce/sell a mobile audio player? An all-in-one computer? A tower computer? Geez, I don't think they even make a calculator any more.

So what, exactly, would Braun sue for?

Lesson for Samsung: if you're going to be "inspired" by someone else's design, make sure they aren't currently doing business in the same market as you. :rolleyes:
 
Lol, all the fanboys who buy an Apple product are buying a Samsung product too...but the the reverse doesn't work.:)
 
I admit I have little knowledge in this area, so pardon my stupid question...

Why doesn't Apple just make their own chips? They couldn't even set up shop in another country to avoid paying a fair American wage, couldn't they?

Because Apple sucks at making chips....

or rather....


Apple may have success now, but investing over a billion on a plant right now will suck if and WHEN their sales slow down. That's what you DON'T want to do.

Remember when people we're saying when is Nintendo gonna open another factory for the Wii shortages? Well, now look. Apple has been down more in their life than up, so we can't guarantee they won't hit a bump in the road......and end up with a facotry that looks like it's out of I Am Legend.:apple:
 
Wise move. Maybe the Samsung component division can shed the design smartphone division and then get bought by Apple which will ensure those employees have a future. Good move Kwon Oh-hyun.
 
Bite the hand that feeds you Apple.......

Which is exactly what they have done with Apple CEO Tim Cook celebrating the win. He should have remained quiet.

Samsung crossed a line. When they did so, they moved into a different set of rules. The morally correct thing for Apple to do is,

1. Put a great deal of effort into developing new supply chains, before the Samsung contracts expire.

2. knock Samsung to the ground, then keep kicking them in the head until the body stops twitching.

When a partner stabs you in the back, you partner with their competition, building them up, until, the back stabbing partner can no longer compete and it folds. Make sure their competitors put out better products for less cost in greater quantity. Make sure, everyone knows, the back stabbers are no longer competitive in their old, or any other market. When the company is no more, you dance on the grave.

There is a difference between friendly competition and back stabbing scum. If you humiliate, then destroy the scum, no one will ever stab you in the back again.

Note: When destroying the scum, remember to do so with a smile on your face.
 
Umm, is this supposed to prove something? A design patent would lapse in some time. Copying a look from the past doesn't have to be paid for. It's lapsed -- unless they're still selling a ton of stuff that looks just like a G5-- though I think it would also have to mimic the function of the G5 for it to be pertinent, and that would be difficult for a coffeemaker or radio to do. There might be a question, probably quickly dismissed, for a "look and feel" suit; you remember how well that worked for Apple, no? As Google says, "Everything old is new again," but copying what another company had a big success with, daring them to file a suit, just might not work.

He's right in that it's a foundation of modern design principles. However, using those principles isn't copying or intellectual theft, any more than a contemporary heavy metal band can be accused of ripping off Black Sabbath.

There are ideas, principles and theory in design, and then there are specific applications of those principles. You can use the former principles as much as you like. Copying the latter precise application of those principles is legally regarded as an infringement. Samsung deserved what they got.
 
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Apples buys the IP which is necessary for the ARM-cores. P.A. Semi engineers @ Apple design the processor and some manufacturer like Samsung or TSMC manufactures the processor.

So Apple actually design the processor from scratch and give the design to Samsung who make it.

Yes? LOL
 
The entire design language Apple uses was created by Braun design more specifically Dieter Rams in the 1960.

On the left is a detail of a 1960s Braun T1000 radio on the right a G5 tower.

Image

http://vimeo.com/1874819

There is nothing wrong with that though.
They practice Dieter Rams 10 principles of good design:

Good Design Is Innovative
Good Design Makes a Product Useful
Good Design Is Aesthetic
Good Design Makes A Product Understandable
Good Design Is Unobtrusive
Good Design Is Honest
Good Design Is Long-lasting
Good Design Is Thorough Down to the Last Detail
Good Design Is Environmentally Friendly
Good Design Is as Little Design as Possible


http://mcculleydesign.posterous.com/dieter-rams-braun-and-apples-jonathan-ives-ap

I love apple products but i also know design history.

Cool post. Interesting.
 
Samsung doesn't get components from Apple. So how exactly are they diversifying their supply relationship? Telling Apple to take a hike? Raising their prices?

Seeking out new customers? I hear Lenovo just entered the smart phone market in a strong way.. They are not going to replace an account like Apple, but I suppose that would still count as diversifying.
 
So Apple actually design the processor from scratch and give the design to Samsung who make it.

Yes? LOL

Apple licenses the rights to the ARM architecture. Apple uses the ARM architecture for the core (bad pun) of their designs. They then take these designs to Samsung. Samsung may make small non functional, production level changes relating to their manufacturing process.

Apple has been hiring the top chip designers in the world over the past few years. Do you think, Apple hires these very expensive people to sit on their hands?
 
Given that Samsung's market cap is only about $136B (2011) its feasible Apple could make a bid =P

Realistically, not a chance in heck. And as an Apple fan, I wouldn't ever expect them to.
 
Samsung crossed a line. When they did so, they moved into a different set of rules. The morally correct thing for Apple to do is,

1. Put a great deal of effort into developing new supply chains, before the Samsung contracts expire.

2. knock Samsung to the ground, then keep kicking them in the head until the body stops twitching.

When a partner stabs you in the back, you partner with their competition, building them up, until, the back stabbing partner can no longer compete and it folds. Make sure their competitors put out better products for less cost in greater quantity. Make sure, everyone knows, the back stabbers are no longer competitive in their old, or any other market. When the company is no more, you dance on the grave.

There is a difference between friendly competition and back stabbing scum. If you humiliate, then destroy the scum, no one will ever stab you in the back again.

Note: When destroying the scum, remember to do so with a smile on your face.

Is that a stereotypical American response? Just wondering as you are stating Samsung should be killed in a violent manor? Or are you 15?
Well at least it would put Americans out of jobs if Apple dropped Samsung as the supplier.
 
Given that Samsung's market cap is only about $136B (2011) its feasible Apple could make a bid =P

Realistically, not a chance in heck. And as an Apple fan, I wouldn't ever expect them to.

Does Korea allow foreign ownership of Korean companies? The better solution would be to purchase a number of smaller, competing companies (or shares of them), then build them into leaner, faster, better competitors that run Samsung out of business.

It is hard to compete with a smaller company that can handle the same or larger volumes than you can, has better design skills and lower operational cost.

Is that a stereotypical American response? Just wondering as you are stating Samsung should be killed in a violent manor? Or are you 15?
Well at least it would put Americans out of jobs if Apple dropped Samsung as the supplier.

Not 15, just half Italian.

One of my families companies was given a buy out offer from one of Apple's larger vendors. It was something of a, "Let us have your company, or else." We said no. They purchased are largest competitor for a fraction of what they were worth. Then they dumped a ton of money into that company, both into personnel and advertising. For some strange reason, that company's reputation is now trash. They are firing staff as fast as they can and quickly moving to stop operation. We are about to push for a major expansion.

The parent company that threatened us and tried to buy us out lost a bunch of money, however, they are doing quite well. I am playing with ideas to bring them down. I don't know if it would be worth the fight as they have many times the resources we do, just not the brains or the focused rage.

When a company competes by putting out better products, you step up your game and do the same. When a company plays by dirty tricks, (Like the time one of our, no longer in business competitors, sent recruiters to talk to our staff at lunch), you have a moral obligation to see that company fail.
 
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Does Korea allow foreign ownership of Korean companies? The better solution would be to purchase a number of smaller, competing companies (or shares of them), then build them into leaner, faster, better competitors that run Samsung out of business.

It is hard to compete with a smaller company that can handle the same or larger volumes than you can, has better design skills and lower operational cost.

Korea probably doesn't - especially when Samsung accounts for something like 30% of SK's exports (was previously stated on this thread). I wouldn't mind seeing Apple put together it's own chip fab division, though I'm sure if it were a good business decision/profitable they would've done it already!
 
Such drama. Of course it was not the best trial outcome. It doesn't mean it's also some kind of dire situation.

Remember when Apple decided to settle with Nokia? Apple paid out a half billion in back royalties right away, and unknown amounts since then. Apple also reportedly had to license Nokia some of their patents. Not the end of the world.

You've mentioned before that FRAND negotiations generally include cross licensing. Anyway I agree the overlaid semantics just give the impression we're being trolled by macrumors. Normally I'd refer to it as editorialized, but the recent stuff has been a bit sillly.

Samsung to Apple:

"We're sorry, but your parts are now going to cost 10x what they did before. We have to pay a huge court award."

That isn't how anything works. They have contracts in place on these things.

I have posted this repeatedly over the past couple of years. Lots of blast back to this obvious fact by many posters. It is the condition for several years to come as well.

Rocketman

It makes sense as it avoids potential conflicts of interest.

Korea probably doesn't - especially when Samsung accounts for something like 30% of SK's exports (was previously stated on this thread). I wouldn't mind seeing Apple put together it's own chip fab division, though I'm sure if it were a good business decision/profitable they would've done it already!

This is not something as trivial as throw money at it or buy in. If they took on a subsidiary, they would need to know how to integrate them. If you look at Apple's past purchases, the majority were either purchased for resources or very small companies were integrated into Apple. Opening their own foundry would be an enormous task.
 
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Not 15, just half Italian.
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For what it's worth, I'm half-Italian too and I like the cut of your jib. Maybe the Italian half of us has a passion for doing business, because your brief family history in that post is very similar to my own.

I run my own relatively small business and will forever focus on customer service and the basic premise of exceeding customer expectations, even though I will continue to lose some business to competitors who under-price, over-promise and under deliver, and eventually disappoint their customers. That's the nature of the game. I expect to retain customers who are pleased with their service. Apple are similarly playing things the right way - they spend a huge amount of money in r&d to bring products to market that innovate and excite their customers. There's a massive investment on their part to ensure that customers will be wowed by the latest hardware. It must be pretty frustrating when anyone rides on the back of that in the name of profit, without having to invest the same premium.
 
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Apple licenses the rights to the ARM architecture. Apple uses the ARM architecture for the core (bad pun) of their designs. They then take these designs to Samsung. Samsung may make small non functional, production level changes relating to their manufacturing process.

Apple has been hiring the top chip designers in the world over the past few years. Do you think, Apple hires these very expensive people to sit on their hands?

Perhaps they will stop using Intel, Nvidea and AMD chips in their desktops soon then with all these world leading chips designers at Apple.

I can't wait to see them running on their own hardware in the next few years.
 
If I was Apple, I would be cultivating, growing and eventually moving to other options.

It just doesn't make sense to contribute profits to and work on the nitty gritty details of key components with your main competitor over the long term, JMHO...

Great idea, maybe Apple could open they're own plants, oh yeah they're too greedy. Have fun trying to reproduce the iphone and ipad with the same level of quality as Samsung when you find out TSMC has no quality control. It'll take Apple over a year to try and replace Samsung. Apple's too greedy to wait 365 days. Richest company in the world, cant afford to mfg or assemble without a 3rd party, that's laughable
 
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