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Samsung's Appeal of Australian Galaxy Tab Ban Fast-Tracked as Apple Targets Resellers

something3153 said:
I'm so bored of people thinking Apple gets exclusive rights to everything they want.

Wasn't true the first time it was used here and it still isn't today.

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Which idea was stolen? Be very specific.
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Dude, are you that blinded by your Android love that you can't see the obvious? We don't have to list specific ideas, specific patents or any other nonsense, because history reveals that Samsung (and other Android Hardware manufacturers have clearly copied Apple from a general standpoint.

Fact is, Android was a Blackberry clone until iOS was revealed. In fact many people said that iOS/iPhone would fail because of lack of a physical keyboard. Yet, after Apple saw great success, low and behold, all the Andriod manufacturers start releasing touch only phones.

And if Apples iPad design is so obvious, why didn't Samsung release it before the iPad? Why havn't any of these companies that produce phones or tablets released any of these "obvious" designs before Apple has released them?

Why, because similar to how people thought touchscreen phones would fail, they thought a "big ipod touch" that was just a black border and a big screen would also fail. Then, Apple releases it to great success and all the copycats come to play.

Everything is so "obvious" to everyone.. but only after Apple does it!
 
Eidorian said:
Someone brought in a Galaxy Tab 10.1 last week into work. The public wanted to know what it was, the name, and where they could buy one. I was shocked to see that a little show and tell could sell a tablet so easily.

Now if the people around here can actually afford one is another matter but they were extremely interested in it.
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I love anecdotes as most are generally so devoid of context as to be near pointless.

Where do you work or what kind of work do you do,
Who is the public you speak of,
Is this public tech literate, ie, are they up on the current tablet market,
Are there any other tablets at your work, or is this the first.

This reminds me of the statement by the North American director for HTC;

http://iphone.tmcnet.com/topics/iph...e-students-say-iphone-for-dads-generation.htm

"The informal comments came from students living in the same dorm as his daughter. Mashable says the students told him that none has an iPhone"

What are the odds. Not a single iPhone in the dorm.

That's an example of why I don't believe anecdotes.
 
jhende7 said:
Dude, are you that blinded by your Android love that you can't see the obvious? We don't have to list specific ideas, specific patents or any other nonsense, because history reveals that Samsung (and other Android Hardware manufacturers have clearly copied Apple from a general standpoint.

Fact is, Android was a Blackberry clone until iOS was revealed. In fact many people said that iOS/iPhone would fail because of lack of a physical keyboard. Yet, after Apple saw great success, low and behold, all the Andriod manufacturers start releasing touch only phones.

And if Apples iPad design is so obvious, why didn't Samsung release it before the iPad? Why havn't any of these companies that produce phones or tablets released any of these "obvious" designs before Apple has released them?

Why, because similar to how people thought touchscreen phones would fail, they thought a "big ipod touch" that was just a black border and a big screen would also fail. Then, Apple releases it to great success and all the copycats come to play.

Everything is so "obvious" to everyone.. but only after Apple does it!
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Other people did it before Apple; you're just so focused you didn't notice.

Oh, and I use Mango, not Android. Good effort though.
 
jhende7 said:
Dude, are you that blinded by your Android love that you can't see the obvious? We don't have to list specific ideas, specific patents or any other nonsense, because history reveals that Samsung (and other Android Hardware manufacturers have clearly copied Apple from a general standpoint.

Fact is, Android was a Blackberry clone until iOS was revealed.
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Fact is, Android is a piece of software. Android didn't fundamentally change after then iPhone OS was revealed, the UI is quite similar between the shipping model (T-mobile G1) and what was already shown during development.

OEMs of Android maybe switch their production from BBesque models, but again, that's not a fact. Motorola Charm, HTC ChaCha, Samsung Galaxy Pro, there are plenty of BBesque Android devices that are both shipping and current that it makes the whole idea that "Android was transformed" ludicrous.

Android is what it's always been : A OS. It can run off pretty much any hardware. Google doesn't dictate form factor.

Thus your fact is wrong.
 
Why is every on MacRumors so pro-lawsuit lately? I remember when people on here would be happy when companies did things that benefited the customer. It's clear here this case is only to help Apple, not us. I know most Apple users won't care about these lawsuits as they don't really pay attention to this stuff, but for us tech-addicts, it annoys us to see Apple take these draconian measures.

One has to understand that societies work when there's respect for property. However, these lawsuits almost seem to take that idea too far. Stifle the competition, become the monopoly seems to be Apple's motto recently. And trust me, that won't benefit us. At the moment, yes, Apple does offer the best products. But I guarantee you if Android wasn't here, the iPhone wouldn't be as good as it is today. I think we've hit a nice balance of Android and Apple. I wouldn't, however, want one to become an overwhelming monopoly.
 
something3153 said:
Other people did it before Apple; you're just so focused you didn't notice.

Oh, and I use Mango, not Android. Good effort though.
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Wow, I'm really scratching my head here because as I review my previous post, I can't find where I stated that you owned an Android device...

Anyhow, lets throw your reading comprehension out the window for the time being to discuss your other point.

"Other people did it before Apple; you're just so focused you didn't notice."

This well written, factually supported piece of art really brought me to my knees.

Who are these mysterious "other people" who Apple copied? And better yet, how did Apple get 80% market share almost instantaneously if there were other comparable products the proceeded the launch of the iPad?

Yes, there were tablets, just like before the iPhone there were cellphones. These old tablets have just as much in common with the iPad as the Motorola razor does with my iPhone4.
 
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TMay said:
I love anecdotes as most are generally so devoid of context as to be near pointless.

Where do you work or what kind of work do you do,
Who is the public you speak of,
Is this public tech literate, ie, are they up on the current tablet market,
Are there any other tablets at your work, or is this the first.

This reminds me of the statement by the North American director for HTC;

http://iphone.tmcnet.com/topics/iph...e-students-say-iphone-for-dads-generation.htm

"The informal comments came from students living in the same dorm as his daughter. Mashable says the students told him that none has an iPhone"

What are the odds. Not a single iPhone in the dorm.

That's an example of why I don't believe anecdotes.
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I am going to leave as an anecdote. I consider the statistics privileged information.
 
jhende7 said:
Wow, I'm really scratching my head here because as I review my previous post, I can't find where I stated that you owned an Android device?
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I have trouble figuring out why someone who loves Android wouldn't use it for his phone. Maybe I gave you too much credit for thinking through your comments. Do you think people who love a particular piece of software typically don't use it?

As for the rest of your comment, this has been rehashed here dozens of times. I'm not doing it again.
 
tbrinkma said:
Nope, he's pointing out that before the iPhone was announced, Android (and the Android phones in development) looked like Blackberry devices.
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So you're saying Android had no touch before the iPhone was shown off. In other words, the Android team had no pre-knowledge of the iPhone.

After the iPhone was announced, they suddenly started looking like iPhones.
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Plus you're saying they only copied the iPhone AFTER it came out in public.

Sure, it *might* just be a coincidence, but that's pushing believability since Google had a guy on Apple's board who was privy to a lot of pre-announcement iPhone info.
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This common, but nonsensical, claim defies logic.

If Google had known ahead of time, why did they wait almost a year after the iPhone came out, to show off their own touch version?

You can't have it both ways :)

As a longtime handheld developer, the most likely scenario to me is that Google was working on a Windows Mobile replacement, which means supporting both touch and keys. And in fact, their first demo showed both, although everyone seems to have latched onto just the key-driven version. It's pretty clear they had no insight into what the iPhone would be like.
 
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jhende7 said:
Fact is, Android was a Blackberry clone until iOS was revealed. In fact many people said that iOS/iPhone would fail because of lack of a physical keyboard. Yet, after Apple saw great success, low and behold, all the Andriod manufacturers start releasing touch only phones.
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Is false that Android looked only like Blackberry phones and is false that there weren't phones touch only.
 
KnightWRX said:
Fact is, Android is a piece of software. Android didn't fundamentally change after then iPhone OS was revealed, the UI is quite similar between the shipping model (T-mobile G1) and what was already shown during development.

OEMs of Android maybe switch their production from BBesque models, but again, that's not a fact. Motorola Charm, HTC ChaCha, Samsung Galaxy Pro, there are plenty of BBesque Android devices that are both shipping and current that it makes the whole idea that "Android was transformed" ludicrous.

Android is what it's always been : A OS. It can run off pretty much any hardware. Google doesn't dictate form factor.

Thus your fact is wrong.
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We can speculate all we want on what Android would have, or would not have looked like if the the iPhone was/wasn't released. But take a simple look at Android prototypes pre and post iPhone launch and their is a stark difference between the product strategy.

If my fact is wrong, prove to me that Android was a capacitive touch screen based OS where users could swipe, pinch turn etc on a full length screen prior to the iPhone introduction.
 
jhende7 said:
We can speculate all we want on what Android would have, or would not have looked like if the the iPhone was/wasn't released. But take a simple look at Android prototypes pre and post iPhone launch and their (sic) is a stark difference between the product strategy.
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Do you have a link to a demo of Android before the iPhone came out? I've never seen one. Thanks!
 
jhende7 said:
We can speculate all we want on what Android would have, or would not have looked like if the the iPhone was/wasn't released. But take a simple look at Android prototypes pre and post iPhone launch and their is a stark difference between the product strategy.

If my fact is wrong, prove to me that Android was a capacitive touch screen based OS where users could swipe, pinch turn etc on a full length screen prior to the iPhone introduction.
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It's still not today. Android is a hardware agnostic OS. You need to differentiate between an OS and the drivers for the hardware it runs on.
 
something3153 said:
A more accurate term for that, of course, is fraud. That's what it was called not too long ago.
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No, ID theft is very accurate (and this has nothing to do with the argument at hand but I just take objection to this statement).

Take it from some one who has had her ID stolen. You have to prove that you weren't the person opening all those credit cards or utility accounts. If you are really unlucky, you'll also have to prove that the criminal record now in your name isn't you (that didn't happen to me and is luckily not as common but it can happen and if they are good they can apply for a license in your name even). You are guilty until proven innocent. Pretty much they take your ID and turn it into their ID and then you have to prove to the credit card companies you aren't the same person as the one who opened the cards.

I care more about the people whose ID is stolen than the credit card companies who are affected by fraud. Because those credit card companies facilitated it. Trust me, some one gets your SSN and you had good credit, the credit card companies are more than willing to give anyone who has that number a credit card (I had one tell me they thought the application was fishy so they closed the card *AFTER* the guy transferred 15k of debt onto it). Would have been easier for me to steal some one else's ID then get mine back!
 
jhende7 said:
We can speculate all we want on what Android would have, or would not have looked like if the the iPhone was/wasn't released. But take a simple look at Android prototypes pre and post iPhone launch and their is a stark difference between the product strategy.
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Do you have inside info about Android development? Because there is no pre-iPhone info about any Android prototype
 
LagunaSol said:
Read the legal arguments in these court cases. That should be all the explanation you need.
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Here's three of the many.

Patent #7,669,134 - Method and Apparatus For Displaying Information During An Instant Messaging Session

Covers horizontally spaced messages displayed chronologically.

Patent #7,853,891 - Method and apparatus for displaying a window for a user interface.

A patent covering interface pop ups that appear when called via the pressing of a button, and fade after a set amount of time when not in use. I think this mostly covers the volume display that shows up when you hit the volume rocker, which, coincidentally...

Patent #7,863,533 - Cantilevered push button having multiple contacts and fulcrums.

Apple has a patent on a volume rocker. I'm not exactly sure what the iPhone rocker does differently than every other rocker out there, but there must be something going on. They did land a patent for it, after all.

My God, what was Samsung thinking? WHY CAN'T THEY INNOVATE? WHYYYYYYY?

(Okay, to be fair, Apple does have some rather potent patents queued up that Samsung might possibly be aping. But alot of them are pretty ridiculous.)
 
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