Samsung's Galaxy Note 8 Expected to Debut at Upcoming August 23 Event

[ValO]

Can I ask why you are posting in a thread about the Samsung Note 8 if Apple products are all you like and care about? How about you take your own advise and post some positive comments in an Apple device thread instead? Some users on this site actually uses Apple products as well as its competitors, I know this may come as a shock to you.

And if you read all of his recent posts, as i did, you’ lll discover that this one doesn’ t own any apple stuff at all. So i wanted to know what he is doing over here, if he dislikes apple so much. That is all.

I see what you mean, and i know there are apple users that use samsung phones instead of iPhones, but with this poster, that is not the case. He doesn’ t live in the apple world at all(his words)

I don’ t see myself on samsung fan forums with a topic about the iphone 8, telling all Samsung users they are stupid, etc. what would i have to do over there? Don’ t own any samsung stuff, So i can’ t judge.

 

[Eorlas]

You mean they weren't doing that before?

I wonder how much it would have cost them to do this before they paid $5.4 billion to right the wrong...

 

[falainber]

I don't think so. I know so.

My Apple products may have cost more upfront, but they have more than paid for themselves in the form of better productivity and fewer problems overall. Before I got my first Mac in 2011, I was a windows user for 16 years. I think I am qualified to decide what works for me and what doesn't.

I challenge you to prove me wrong and enlighten me on how I can replicate the same integrated ecosystem using non-Apple products.

I won't be holding my breath.

Is not it pointless to compare devices from different generations? In the 80x - 90s all computers were not that reliable: PC or Mac. And Macs had just one button on the mouse (how did one use this thing?). So, no, someone who used different devices in different times is not qualified to compare them. The only unique thing about your integrated ecosystem is that it's all from one vendor. The flip side of this is that this ecosystem is very limited. In your fabulous ecosystem, when are you going to get fast charging, wireless charging, NFC, OLED, decent gaming, home assistant, mesh WiFi or a desktop computer?

 

[Abazigal]

Is not it pointless to compare devices from different generations? In the 80x - 90s all computers were not that reliable: PC or Mac. And Macs had just one button on the mouse (how did one use this thing?). So, no, someone who used different devices in different times is not qualified to compare them. The only unique thing about your integrated ecosystem is that it's all from one vendor. The flip side of this is that this ecosystem is very limited. In your fabulous ecosystem, when are you going to get fast charging, wireless charging, NFC, OLED, decent gaming, home assistant, mesh WiFi or a desktop computer?

Simply put, my Apple devices worked for me at a time when no other brands would. Apple's stellar customer service has also come through for me a couple of times. Suffice to say, I am a loyal Apple customer till their products no longer meet my needs (which, as far as I can see, is not in the near foreseeable future).

For one, I am using an Asus router, it's not as though I am locking myself into one vendor exclusively. So I could theoretically get a mesh network if I so desire. Same with mice and cloud storage (which I do mix and match).

I just don't game. The next iPhone is rumoured to bring fast charging, wireless charging and possibly OLED to the party, while iOS 11 will expand on NFC capabilities. I am not into home assistants (though there is the homepod at the end of the year), and the iMac is the desktop of choice for me.

You win some and you lose some. I have done my sums, and decided that the benefits of an integrated Apple ecosystem far outweigh the cons.

 

[Johns12]

I am simply amazed that people argue about a phone. I own 2 Mac Pros (for work) Macbook Pro for personal use and my wife uses an IPad and an IPhone 6. My phone is a S7edge. For some strange reason I still breath, live, sleep, laugh and enjoy life. The phone I use changes nothing much of importance.

 

[Keirasplace]

I am simply amazed that people argue about a phone. I own 2 Mac Pros (for work) Macbook Pro for personal use and my wife uses an IPad and an IPhone 6. My phone is a S7edge. For some strange reason I still breath, live, sleep, laugh and enjoy life. The phone I use changes nothing much of importance.

Its even more amazing that many who don't own ANYTHING Apple argue about a phone, or anything Apple here; and yes, this is very very frequent.

Arguing is OK but these people are throlls.

 

[mib1800]

That we each choose the products that best suit our needs. I really couldn't care less what product you use. I am simply amazed people can simply waltz in and crap on my choice of device without even bothering to know my needs or what I want my hardware to do.


Except they do.

I am a primary school teacher (mostly handling 11-12 year old kids).

I use my 9.7" iPad Pro to teach in the classroom, which is mirrored to the smart board via an Apple TV (3rd gen for the peer to peer AirPlay capabilities). Do you think I care that the iPad lacks mouse support when I am walking around the classroom with it?

I have an 11" MBA for tasks that require a PC. I do have work issued windows laptop, but that thing is locked down as hell, and I appreciate the added functionality of macOS and third party apps. There's something called Dropbox and thumbdrives when I need to transfer files around.

At home, I just upgraded my 2011 27" iMac to a new 5k iMac. I deal with a fair amount of spreadsheets and documents, all the more this term as I have to plan relief duties, and a larger screen just makes viewing content that much easier.

Also have a 4th gen ATV for entertainment.

All tied together with iCloud. I have no issues with playing well with others. I can cognisant of the strengths and limitations of my chosen platform and can adapted my workflows accordingly.

Your energies are better spent worrying about Bixby than about whether I have overpaid for my Apple devices or not.

Unlike the other posts which whine and cry about fact-based negative stuff about Apple products...

... I am not questioning your personal preference. You can do whatever you like. But I am rebutting the quite outdated view of apple fans that whatever the competitions have is inferior in quality (software/hardware/eco system) to Apple's. And also apple products have much more capabilities. Thus justifying the premium price. 6 years ago it maybe true but not now anymore.

Its even more amazing that many who don't own ANYTHING Apple argue about a phone, or anything Apple here; and yes, this is very very frequent.

Arguing is OK but these people are throlls.

I bet my experience in using and understanding the technical aspects of apple products is more than some posters here know about or have used Android/apple competitors. The evidence is in the many naive and shallow posts about Android/galaxy that are more rhetoric than containing real substance.

E.g. posts are just say apple ecosystem/implementations is better, but never tell in details how it is better than the competitions.

 

[Abazigal]

E.g. posts are just sided saying apple ecosystem is better, but never tell in details how it is better than the competitions.

I just did.

I bet my experience in using and understanding the technical aspects of apple products is more than some posters know about or have used Android or apple competitors. The evidence is in the many naive and shallow posts about Android that are more rhetoric than containing real substance.

Maybe iPhone users aren't exactly the most tech-savvy of users, but the Android camp hasn't exactly demonstrated that they are any better themselves.

It wasn't so long ago that Android fanboys were boasting about how their phones sported quad-core processors and had more ram. When in reality, more cores actually made the phone slower due to all the heat generated, while the iPhone ran better with less ram due to its more efficient design. This, to me, is the greatest irony of all, because it just shows that they were mindlessly parroting the specs off a hardware checklist without really thinking of whether it really was better or not.

Not to mention that specs in a vacuum don't always tell the whole story. Apple's strength is in taking an emerging product category with a frustrating user experience and delivering a polished product made possible by its control over both the hardware and software. Most smartphones today sport fingerprint sensors, but how many go the full mile like what Apple has done with their secure enclaves, and integrating it with a mobile payment solution at a system level? The iPhone had fewer but wider pixels to allow for better low light performance, and other Android phone cameras with higher MP count didn't always take better photos due to the crappier underlying software.

The sad reality is that Android OEMs can only pump specs to differentiate their products, even if those specs don't necessarily result in a better user experience overall, because it's cheaper and easier to go up from 4gb of ram to 6, than it is to make your OS less bloated, or come up with more integrated features such as force touch and ARkit, or even something as simple as better photo compression simply because Apple controls everything from iMessage to the camera to the processor to the underlying software.

It's not hard to see why. Commoditised products net you very little profit, which doesn't give you a lot of resources to invest in improving your product, and the end result is a product which has a hard time differentiating itself from the rest of the competition, much less talk about continued software support or decent customer service. Where else can I walk into a store and get my smartphone replaced on the spot when it breaks down?

Conversely, Apple invests in products like its own custom processor, to its own unique ecosystem, to give me that unique user experience that only Apple can give. Consumers have voted with their wallets, and made the iPhone the most profitable smartphone in the industry, and this money is in turn pumped back into the company to further improve the Apple ecosystem.

Like I said, worry more about getting your own house in order first, and less about whether someone else's house is dirty or not.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

That August 23 date was no accident. They're trying to rush the release before the iPhone announcement, and it always turns out poorly. They tried that **** with the note 7 and the batteries exploded. I really want to like Samsung products, so please let this release go well.

Why do you consider August 23 a rush release? Because it's before Apple's iPhone announcement? How do you know they couldn't have shipped in July so August is in fact a late release?

 

[Keirasplace]

Unlike the other posts which whine and cry about fact-based negative stuff about Apple products...

... I am not questioning your personal preference. You can do whatever you like. But I am rebutting the quite outdated view of apple fans that whatever the competitions have is inferior in quality (software/hardware/eco system) to Apple's. And also apple products have much more capabilities. Thus justifying the premium price. 6 years ago it maybe true but not now anymore.




I bet my experience in using and understanding the technical aspects of apple products is more than some posters here know about or have used Android/apple competitors. The evidence is in the many naive and shallow posts about Android/galaxy that are more rhetoric than containing real substance.

E.g. posts are just say apple ecosystem/implementations is better, but never tell in details how it is better than the competitions.

Your patting yourself on the back without cause, coming here to "school" people here is the height of condescenssion and even absurd considering your own posts. There is irony in your declaration. Got 35 of computer engineering behind me and would not think one second of doing something so daft and arrogant!!

 

[thekeyring]

And read my post I never said Apple "Apple wasn't innovating or inventing new things" Just pointing out what Apple is actually doing.

This is the conversation we just had, which was started by you saying "at best they're coasting, at worse falling behind the industry in innovation":

Because we want Apple to be fantastic again, we want to believe, want to love. But, at best they're coasting, at worse falling behind the industry in innovation

So I pointed out some areas where Apple are undisputedly being innovative:

If you close your eyes and ignore the A-series processors, AR Kit, ProMotion, Metal, Swift, AirPods, dual camera on iPhone 7 Plus, Apple Pay, Apple Watch, TouchID, Continuity & Handoff, the 5K iMac and the 18-core iMac Pro, then I suppose you could think they're "coasting" and maybe even "falling behind the industry".


Some of us live in the real world though.


Yes, Microsoft is making some very nice devices, Spotify is doing very well in music streaming, and the tiny bezels on the Samsung S8 are all great things from companies that aren't Apple. But let's not pretend Apple isn't contributing it's own great ideas into the mix and leading in many areas, simply because we don't have Steve Jobs announcing the products.

You then responded by saying Apple were price gouging:

OK yes Apple has three products coming this winter

1 a $1000 (at least) mobile phone

2 a desktop computer that (at least) is $4999

3 an Amazon competitor that costs $349 (more than twice the price)


Can't you see a trend (cough, cough gouging) here?

That was not the point I was addressing. You seemed to be moving the goalposts in our discussion, hence:

I was arguing against the idea Apple wasn't innovating or inventing new things.

 

[ValO]

Unlike the other posts which whine and cry about fact-based negative stuff about Apple products...

... I am not questioning your personal preference. You can do whatever you like. But I am rebutting the quite outdated view of apple fans that whatever the competitions have is inferior in quality (software/hardware/eco system) to Apple's. And also apple products have much more capabilities. Thus justifying the premium price. 6 years ago it maybe true but not now anymore.




I bet my experience in using and understanding the technical aspects of apple products is more than some posters here know about or have used Android/apple competitors. The evidence is in the many naive and shallow posts about Android/galaxy that are more rhetoric than containing real substance.

E.g. posts are just say apple ecosystem/implementations is better, but never tell in details how it is better than the competitions.

Thanks man!
You really gave me other insights.
We are all apple sheep and don' t know what is out there.
We are really ignorant.
Thanks pointing that out on an apple fanbased forum. You are doing the smart thing, educating all of us.

But please, if you are not interested in apple products, and your intention is just to tell us we are morons, it would be better to stay away.
It is just not usefull. We have better things to do , and i really hope you have, too.

 

[mib1800]

I just did.

I don't think you did. You just say how apple products satisfied your needs. Your assumption is that other non-apple eco-systems cannot give the same level of satisfaction that you got with apple. That is not true at all.

Maybe iPhone users aren't exactly the most tech-savvy of users, but the Android camp hasn't exactly demonstrated that they are any better themselves.

It wasn't so long ago that Android fanboys were boasting about how their phones sported quad-core processors and had more ram. When in reality, more cores actually made the phone slower due to all the heat generated, while the iPhone ran better with less ram due to its more efficient design. This, to me, is the greatest irony of all, because it just shows that they were mindlessly parroting the specs off a hardware checklist without really thinking of whether it really was better or not.

I think it is more of apple fans who are obsessed with benchmarks and fraction seconds performance gain over S8. Do a search in this forum and that's the central theme when comparing to s8.

More cores is more advantageous for android due to concurrent multi-tasking which iOS doesnt do. And more cores is more power efficient since higher proportion of the cores are put to sleep when not need. Iphone doesn't really have a more efficient design. You may be confusing smoothness with efficiency. Iphone has UI smoothness at the EXPENSE of efficiency. To achieve smoothness, iOS purposely slowed down the UI with tricks like limited scrolling or extended animation. These impede the time needed to do a task thus reduce efficiency. See the video below to look at how slow is scrolling in iOS compared to android. You need 5 times more swipe to move the same amount.

Not to mention that specs in a vacuum don't always tell the whole story. Apple's strength is in taking an emerging product category with a frustrating user experience and delivering a polished product made possible by its control over both the hardware and software. Most smartphones today sport fingerprint sensors, but how many go the full mile like what Apple has done with their secure enclaves, and integrating it with a mobile payment solution at a system level?

Agreed. The fps support is there in android. Just that some app developers are slow to react. With the the standardized fps in Android nowadays many apps are starting to make use of fps to do authentication. Galaxy has support fps authentication for most Samsung apps and browsers.

In addition S8 has "Secure Folder" which is like a second login environment where you can put all you saved pre-login apps. Here you can do all your i-banking or monetary transactions without worry since everything is secured by Knox.

The iPhone had fewer but wider pixels to allow for better low light performance, and other Android phone cameras with higher MP count didn't always take better photos due to the crappier underlying software.

But the S8 has better camera esp in low light. Even macworld agreed.

http://www.macworld.com/article/319...otout-iphone-7-plus-vs-samsung-galaxy-s8.html

The sad reality is that Android OEMs can only pump specs to differentiate their products, even if those specs don't necessarily result in a better user experience overall, because it's cheaper and easier to go up from 4gb of ram to 6, than it is to make your OS less bloated, or come up with more integrated features such as force touch and ARkit, or even something as simple as better photo compression simply because Apple controls everything from iMessage to the camera to the processor to the underlying software.

But the underlying android is from Google. The manufacturers just customized it. The vanilla android still gives more capabilities than iOS

It's not hard to see why. Commoditised products net you very little profit, which doesn't give you a lot of resources to invest in improving your product, and the end result is a product which has a hard time differentiating itself from the rest of the competition, much less talk about continued software support or decent customer service. Where else can I walk into a store and get my smartphone replaced on the spot when it breaks down?

Because others don't have Apple advantage. i.e its marketing and proprietary hardware/software lock-in or telcos tied. Look in the forum threads and the slave lock included iMessage/Apple TV/airdrop/airpods/icloud. Iphone can have cut throat price and you have no choice except to smilingly pay for it

Conversely, Apple invests in products like its own custom processor, to its own unique ecosystem, to give me that unique user experience that only Apple can give. Consumers have voted with their wallets, and made the iPhone the most profitable smartphone in the industry, and this money is in turn pumped back into the company to further improve the Apple ecosystem.

Like I said, worry more about getting your own house in order first, and less about whether someone else's house is dirty or not.

Apple designs its processor that's about it. Rest like screen etc come from others.
Samsung is the one that designs and manufactures every component in the phone.

 

[MacBergin]

I just switched to a Galaxy S8+ after only ever owning iPhones. I love it; the OS is stable and fluid. I can't see myself going back to an iPhone.

Then why are you here...thought so.

 

[I7guy]

Apple designs its processor that's about it. Rest like screen etc come from others.
Samsung is the one that designs and manufactures every component in the phone.

You mean Samsung designs and manufacturers its cellular chip here in the US?, wifi chip? Processor? Etc. or maybe they license the design and manufacture the chip. How much of the phone is Samsung 100%. I'll bet not much.

As far as the rest of the post, it's the same thing iterated again and again by a person who likes android over iOS.

 

[hovercroft]

I just switched to a Galaxy S8+ after only ever owning iPhones. I love it; the OS is stable and fluid. I can't see myself going back to an iPhone.

Agreed. I got the apple iphone 7+. and while it was an okay phone, the s8 has blown it out the water. I won't be going back.

 

[melendezest]

Then why are you here...thought so.

Isn't this an article about a Samsung Galaxy device?

What's wrong with learning about Apple's competition on an "Apple site"?

Many of us are mixed ecosystem users; I myself am a Note5 user and cannot stand using an iPhone. My (older) Macs are beloved, though, and I find macOS to be fantastic, as it's been since I switched in 2001.

 

[Rossatron]

I don't think you did. You just say how apple products satisfied your needs. Your assumption is that other non-apple eco-systems cannot give the same level of satisfaction that you got with apple. That is not true at all.



I think it is more of apple fans who are obsessed with benchmarks and fraction seconds performance gain over S8. Do a search in this forum and that's the central theme when comparing to s8.

More cores is more advantageous for android due to concurrent multi-tasking which iOS doesnt do. And more cores is more power efficient since higher proportion of the cores are put to sleep when not need. Iphone doesn't really have a more efficient design. You may be confusing smoothness with efficiency. Iphone has UI smoothness at the EXPENSE of efficiency. To achieve smoothness, iOS purposely slowed down the UI with tricks like limited scrolling or extended animation. These impede the time needed to do a task thus reduce efficiency. See the video below to look at how slow is scrolling in iOS compared to android. You need 5 times more swipe to move the same amount.

Agreed. The fps support is there in android. Just that some app developers are slow to react. With the the standardized fps in Android nowadays many apps are starting to make use of fps to do authentication. Galaxy has support fps authentication for most Samsung apps and browsers.

In addition S8 has "Secure Folder" which is like a second login environment where you can put all you saved pre-login apps. Here you can do all your i-banking or monetary transactions without worry since everything is secured by Knox.



But the S8 has better camera esp in low light. Even macworld agreed.

http://www.macworld.com/article/319...otout-iphone-7-plus-vs-samsung-galaxy-s8.html



But the underlying android is from Google. The manufacturers just customized it. The vanilla android still gives more capabilities than iOS



Because others don't have Apple advantage. i.e its marketing and proprietary hardware/software lock-in or telcos tied. Look in the forum threads and the slave lock included iMessage/Apple TV/airdrop/airpods/icloud. Iphone can have cut throat price and you have no choice except to smilingly pay for it



Apple designs its processor that's about it. Rest like screen etc come from others.
Samsung is the one that designs and manufactures every component in the phone.

haha, i have that scrolling issue with my SE, drives me out of my mind. until your post i thought it was just like a bug or something, not a built in design. there are not enough words to say how frustrating it is

 

[I7guy]

haha, i have that scrolling issue with my SE, drives me out of my mind. until your post i thought it was just like a bug or something, not a built in design. there are not enough words to say how frustrating it is

Inertial scrolling has been changed in iOS 11. Ios 11 is fantastic on my 5s.

 

[mib1800]

Inertial scrolling has been changed in iOS 11. Ios 11 is fantastic on my 5s.

Even then still lag compared to Android.

 

[I7guy]

Even then still lag compared to Android.

No, not at all. Android imo lags, stutters whatever the word more than iOS.

Edit: comparing my 5s running iOS 11 which you say still has lag with an s8 which has lag speaks volumes about a 4 year old phone comparing to a 3 month old phone.

 

[mib1800]

No, not at all. Android imo lags, stutters whatever the word more than iOS.

Edit: comparing my 5s running iOS 11 which you say still has lag with an s8 which has lag speaks volumes about a 4 year old phone comparing to a 3 month old phone.

iOS scrolling is still slow needing few more times the swipe to move the same amount. Maybe ios11 fixed the extra slowness safari but even then the general ui scrolling is still slowwwww

S8 ability to scroll at fast speed (with occasional micro-stutters) is still more efficient and better than iphone slow and smooth scrolling.

 

[I7guy]

iOS scrolling is still slow needing few more times the swipe to move the same amount. Maybe ios11 fixed the extra slowness safari but even then the general ui scrolling is still slowwwww

S8 ability to scroll at fast speed (with occasional micro-stutters) is still more efficient and better than iphone slow and smooth scrolling.

IOS 11 is totally different. And you are comparing a previous version designed as such to another operating system with a different design. I appreciate the screens in ios are smooth and don't run away as in android.

 

[mib1800]

IOS 11 is totally different. And you are comparing a previous version designed as such to another operating system with a different design. I appreciate the screens in ios are smooth and don't run away as in android.

The beta ios11 YouTube i have seen dont show any difference in scrolling rate. To scroll faster you still have to keep swiping the screen on iPhone. Unlike S8, I can vary the scroll speed with the intensity of the swipe. Only one long fast swipe is needed to scroll fast.

 

[I7guy]

The beta ios11 YouTube i have seen dont show any difference in scrolling rate. To scroll faster you still have to keep swiping the screen on iPhone. Unlike S8, I can vary the scroll speed with the intensity of the swipe. Only one long fast swipe is needed to scroll fast.

Well that's on youtube not on IOS 11. However, back to what one's subjective preferences are and what one likes better, in the differences between the two operating system.