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Glad to see you speak for the entire photographic world!

Please explain to me exactly how does having the world stop at 12MP matter. I want to hear your explanation.
I said nothing about 12 MP. 12, 15, 25.. doesn't matter. A quick Google search will show you that it's mostly just marketing BS.
 
Nonsense. All camera manufacturers are increasing resolution of their sensors. If anything, the resolution is even more important for the phone cameras. Their sensors/pixels are small. They rely on computational photography to deal with it. There is a reason why Apple is following Samsung in this direction (with two...three year lag).
Sensor size and megapixels are not the same. Sensor size matters. MP do not.
 
The pixel picture only look good on that device. It’s why professional photographers and even film makers have projects shot only using iPhones. That is not happening on those other devices for a reason.
Exactly right. You're talking about skilled people using professional lighting (or outdoors). That's what it takes for the iPhone camera to compete, and it will surpass the Pixel in those conditions. Also iPhone video surpasses Pixel under almost any circumstance.

Snapshots in real life situations without professional lighting, Google either has a better camera or software algorithm, I don't know. They are able to create a better picture which can be printed/developed. We find our iPhones are 2nd fiddle to the Pixel time and time again. This is for stuff like singing happy birthday, opening Christmas presents by the tree in the morning, Thanksgiving dinner. Pixel pictures turn out a lot better. I wish Apple would work more on that.
 
iPhone 13 currently has a 12MP camera

iPhone 14 is rumoured to get a 48MP camera

Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra already has a 100MP camera

Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra is rumoured to get a 200MP camera


If anyone is after anyone it's Apple being behind Samsung?
Ain’t competition great? :)
 
Exactly right. You're talking about skilled people using professional lighting (or outdoors). That's what it takes for the iPhone camera to compete, and it will surpass the Pixel in those conditions. Also iPhone video surpasses Pixel under almost any circumstance.
This conversation is straying into the realm of ridiculousness now. There is only exactly one reason why any professional photographer would go through the work of setting up professional lighting and scenery and tuning their gear, only to take their shots using a camera phone: to shoot an ad for said camera phone. No professional photographer would waste their time like that on an actual shoot.

Snapshots in real life situations without professional lighting, Google either has a better camera or software algorithm, I don't know. They are able to create a better picture which can be printed/developed. We find our iPhones are 2nd fiddle to the Pixel time and time again. This is for stuff like singing happy birthday, opening Christmas presents by the tree in the morning, Thanksgiving dinner. Pixel pictures turn out a lot better. I wish Apple would work more on that.
This is really the only situation that matters when it comes to camera phones.
 
that's simply false, the fact the iPhone is behind in photography a lot of it is down to only having 12mp options. pixel Binning will be a big step forward on the iPhone
I can tell you have never designed a CCD sensor. The thing is, A CCD is basically a large array of photo capacitors. You chain them together so when a photon hits one of the capacitors, it charges all of the ones on that block. each block has one cap that has additional circuitry allowing it to be read. This is a good thing because, the more capacitors you have linked, the bigger the individual physical pixel is and the lower light it can operate without noise. If you design the system to bin pixels, you must allow pixels to be able to electrically link and unlink. This requires quite a bit of additional wiring and it must be done at the pixel level.

One of the key design goals of creating a CCD chip is to minimize all the parts that don't directly gather light and turn it into a charge. Everything else is parasitic.
 
I can tell you have never designed a CCD sensor. The thing is, A CCD is basically a large array of photo capacitors. You chain them together so when a photon hits one of the capacitors, it charges all of the ones on that block. each block has one cap that has additional circuitry allowing it to be read. This is a good thing because, the more capacitors you have linked, the bigger the individual physical pixel is and the lower light it can operate without noise. If you design the system to bin pixels, you must allow pixels to be able to electrically link and unlink. This requires quite a bit of additional wiring and it must be done at the pixel level.

One of the key design goals of creating a CCD chip is to minimize all the parts that don't directly gather light and turn it into a charge. Everything else is parasitic.
I don’t need to

I know that 12mp on a phone with a smaller sensor compared to the competition will always get you worse quality without any pixel binning or a bigger sensor. Software can only do so much.

There’s a reason why Google upgraded their sensor to a 1/1.3 sensor on the pixel 6 series as their mp and sensor size was getting stale
 
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However, most people say that the color quality is all over the place on Samsung phones. Samsung really needs to fix that problem.
Can’t say that’s accurate. I’ve had no issues with Samsung colours. Now iPhones HDR and dark shadow issues has been a huge problem that’s still not fixed and it’s likely never will until the 14 pro
 
Sensor size and megapixels are not the same. Sensor size matters. MP do not.
If resolution does not matter then why do camera manufacturers are increasing it? The answer - it does matter because computational photography can use more pixels for all sorts of things.
 
This conversation is straying into the realm of ridiculousness now. There is only exactly one reason why any professional photographer would go through the work of setting up professional lighting and scenery and tuning their gear, only to take their shots using a camera phone: to shoot an ad for said camera phone. No professional photographer would waste their time like that on an actual shoot.


This is really the only situation that matters when it comes to camera phones.

Yes, it's the only thing that matters, but look at the Apple keynotes, all the advertising, the reviews. They don't give a hoot about.

"Best camera ever" with beautiful shots of landscapes, a tennis court, a flower, a river. Look at the shot on iPhone website. It's nothing anyone would ever photograph except maybe getting useless scenery shots on vacation. Apple chose a priority to pursue and seem to have perfected it. I get fuzzy shots of my kids when I catch them doing something cute. I submit feedback on this regularly. I'm stuck in the ecosystem but this really hampers my life. I have to haul out a DSLR to make sure I at least get a few keeper photos at important events.

I one year justified to my wife upgrading our iPhones, the spending. We spent on the Pros thinking we'd finally keep up with our Pixel buddy. It just can't do it.
 
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If resolution does not matter then why do camera manufacturers are increasing it? The answer - it does matter because computational photography can use more pixels for all sorts of things.
Because they use it as marketing and gullible people eat it up.
 
I said nothing about 12 MP. 12, 15, 25.. doesn't matter. A quick Google search will show you that it's mostly just marketing BS.
As someone who went from a 24MP A99 to a 12MP A7S II, I can tell you that megapixels is not marketing BS. I mean you're free to think the everyone in the world is wrong, its just that you're the one in denial.
 
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