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The first phone maker who can make a decent camera that's actually FLUSH with the phone body again, will have my vote.

Ridiculous how you can't put an iPhone X on a flat surface without it wobbling and sliding around due to the silly protrusion!
 
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The first phone maker who can make a decent camera that's actually FLUSH with the phone body again, will have my vote.

Ridiculous how you can't put an iPhone X on a flat surface without it wobbling and sliding around due to the silly protrusion!

Now I am no physicist but I am pretty sure the distance between the lens and the sensor is important. So the only way to do that is to make the device thicker. Maybe not the whole thing. They could make feet in each corner that allows the device to sit flat; people would redirect their anger about the notch towards the feet.

This complaint, while valid, falls in the category of "I am cold, turn the heat up". They don't care if other people would be unhappy with that choice as they seem resistant to simply wearing a sweater. Physics isn't going to change to meet your design requirements, and they can't lower the camera quality and be competitive, so wrap the phone in a sweater and at least you will be somewhat happy.

My number one issue with the apple TV was the remote was terrible to hold. So I got a case and now my complaint is that that the disney channel breaks the TV app. I bet you would have similar results.
 
Now I am no physicist but I am pretty sure the distance between the lens and the sensor is important. So the only way to do that is to make the device thicker. Maybe not the whole thing. They could make feet in each corner that allows the device to sit flat; people would redirect their anger about the notch towards the feet.

This complaint, while valid, falls in the category of "I am cold, turn the heat up". They don't care if other people would be unhappy with that choice as they seem resistant to simply wearing a sweater. Physics isn't going to change to meet your design requirements, and they can't lower the camera quality and be competitive, so wrap the phone in a sweater and at least you will be somewhat happy.

My number one issue with the apple TV was the remote was terrible to hold. So I got a case and now my complaint is that that the disney channel breaks the TV app. I bet you would have similar results.
Or do what Samsung does and make the phone thin and still have a flush camera without 'feet'. Just a thought.
 
In the end, I agree with you. Others tend disparage against iOS in terms of lack of customization or its boring, but iOS has always been about simplicity and security. It doesn’t have any clutter and it’s a clean platform. Hardware eventually wears off as it is, where software is more meaningful long-term, where I think iOS leads.
I think you can leave security and simplicity out of it since iOS11...

iOS was by far the best OS to choose on a phone in 2013ish but now i favour Android.
What has changed since 2013? I think that's the problem.. not much changed, it only got worse and less stable. Same story for macOS10.10 till now. Mavericks 10.9 and before were much more stable and less glitchy
 
More valid comparison is like removing the car AC. True that the AC might not be used year round but it's nutz to remove it.

If Apple built a car they'd remove the AC and sell you a dongle in the form of a window mounted AC.

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Not a great analogy(Even though you used a car, which I believe is a requirement for analogies on this site :)). You comparison suggests that because it has no headphone jack that you can't listen to music at all. It come with headphones that work and works with any bluetooth headphones. Its more like changing the bolt pattern on the wheels, it still works and runs fine when you buy it, but it you want to upgrade to better, more high performance wheels and tires, you would have to get a wheel adapter. Still not a great analogy though.
 
Not a great analogy(Even though you used a car, which I believe is a requirement for analogies on this site :)). You comparison suggests that because it has no headphone jack that you can't listen to music at all.

You're incorrectly assuming that Apple won't tell you to wind down the windows to get airflow when they remove the AC.

Bit of trivia. AC is also legacy 1939 technology but I doubt anyone is brave enough to remove it when summer rolls around.
 
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Or do what Samsung does and make the phone thin and still have a flush camera without 'feet'. Just a thought.

What? Samsung’s camera sticks out. It’s just less noticeable in photos of the device because the entire phone is thicker.

S9: 8.4mm
X: 7.7mm
 
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You obviously haven’t tried the new buds and headphones by Apple and Beats. Best sellers across the board and seamless integration. You can keep your headphone jack.

I don't care how good they are, I'm not getting another device I need to charge and WILL NOT buy disposable headphones; what happens when the battery doesn't hold a charge?
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Mike! How’ve you been? I hope you’re not holding onto a grudge, I mean under the circumstances I had no choice.

We had a good thing, you <cut because I don't wanna get banned>! We had Fring, we had a lab, we had everything we needed, and it all ran like clockwork! You could have shut your mouth, cooked, and made as much money as you ever needed! It was perfect! But no! You just had to blow it up! You, and your pride and your ego! You just had to be the man! If you'd done your job, known your place, we'd all be fine right now!
 
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I can never think of these phones as anything more than counterfeits that cost the same as the original. It is mystifying to me why anybody would buy one.

People have different tastes? I could never buy a Galaxy as I can't stand what they do to the Android system but I know people who love the Samsung phones because of the changes they make to Android. I'm still much more fond of iOS but I think it's easy to see why people would love this phone.
 
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What? Samsung’s camera sticks out. It’s just less noticeable in photos of the device because the entire phone is thicker.

S9: 8.4mm
X: 7.7mm

Bigger battery + flush camera > smaller battery + camera bulge

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But then again the unwashed that buy these care little beyond how the phone looks which is its biggest draw.

Its comments like this that make me sad. And embarrassed for you sir, the way you look at the world based on their choice of phone is truly appalling. I bet your parents are so proud.
 
Anyone that watched the Academy Awards would be SICK TO DEATH of seeing and hearing about that device! I was just sick at the push - push - push of commercial and shameless plug after shameless plug. Overkill...
 
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Yep, the Galaxy is a worthy rival to the iPhone X. See how easy that was? Someone likes the look of the Samsung better. OMG! How can that be? Everyone knows that Apple makes the best looking phone! Image the nerve of someone spending their own money on something they like. They must be insane because you don’t like it. They should all be in straight jackets!
 
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My wife has the S8. In terms of hardware, it's certainly an admirable piece of tech. However, the fact that it runs a heavily skinned version of Android that, as clearly evidenced by Samsung's prior behavior, won't see updates for quite some time makes it a non-starter for me.

For the past 3-4yrs this seems to be an industry issue across all manufacturers of Android smartphones. I see only Sony as the sole exception, directly or through their ASOP former developer registration (open to the public). I’ve seen an example of 1-3mths top for Sony releasing new Android updates for older phones that can support it 1yr+ open Googles official release of the kernel/OS.

Those AR emoji instill Furby-levels of terror in me.

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Ahhhh, so much better.

“Hi I’m Chucky, wanna plaaaaaaay?!”

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What? Samsung’s camera sticks out. It’s just less noticeable in photos of the device because the entire phone is thicker.

S9: 8.4mm
X: 7.7mm
I didn't say it wasn't as think as an X. But it's still considered thin. Hence, Apple can do the same.
 
Anyone that watched the Academy Awards would be SICK TO DEATH of seeing and hearing about that device! I was just sick at the push - push - push of commercial and shameless plug after shameless plug. Overkill...

What has me sick is the constant mindless Apple staff cheerleading at their WWDCs and Special Events over the last 7yrs.

For example Phil announces Face ID at the iPhone X announcement and all you hear is who’s and woohoo and yeah’s and nobody but Apple staff knows the the HELL that was on announcement day! Like let the technology speak for itself and let the terms of marketing junk be explained first at the very least. Better yet let the attendees validate the surprise of the product and services on their own.

I’m so sick of this “Applaus” response that was so ancient like such lights on Zenith studio TV’s on broadcast TV.

The original iPhone wowed the crowd at WEDC because it was a valid surprising and overwhelmingly incredible product launch. Makes you think how well the iPhone X would have sold without all the staff cheerleading.
 
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