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Right. Then on Steve Jobs first day back, he said

.... and then he partnered with Bill Gates to get Office to the Mac.

Tactical move at the time. Ultimately Apple appears to have crushed Microsoft in the consumer space.

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I think that's a bit too simple, for example wouldn't consumers benefit from truly new and different choices, instead all they get is derivatives.

Exactly. Consumers get a choice between iThings and iThings-lite.
 
Sure Apple added a two sided cable plug to this equation too but other than that their contributions were minor.

Yeah. The company renouned for completely redefining smartphones only had minor contributions to the industry. That's why EVERY company spent years scrambling to catch up and copy apple. Just stop bud.
 
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How Samsung allowed Apple to come into their market and do this to them when they had been making phones for decades is a mystery to me.
I can explain. Samsung's phones before about 2 years ago were crap. There's a reason Nokia was at the top of the cellphone heap. The only reason they are still in this business is because they are a huge company, in many other marketplaces, and can survive losing money on one area for awhile.

They should be thanking Apple for offering them a target. Apparently they never had one before.
 
Newsflash ..

Apple wants to beat Samsung wants to beat Apple wants to beat Samsung wants to beat Apple....................................... Sounds like ... what's the word ... comi .. no .. combi ... no .. compe .. competition .. that's the one ..
 
No one can compete with Apple on the polish of their hardware and the cleanliness of their integrated ecosystem. For years, all Apple has had to do to crush their rivals is offer a bigger screen and a few more customization options and the fight is over.

Android and Samsung would have no other points of differentiation and would be stuck with their cheap plasticy exteriors covered in hideous carrier logos and loaded up with carrier bloatware. Hopefully Apple finally drops that bomb this fall.
 
No one can compete with Apple on the polish of their hardware and the cleanliness of their integrated ecosystem. For years, all Apple has had to do to crush their rivals is offer a bigger screen and a few more customization options and the fight is over.

Android and Samsung would have no other points of differentiation and would be stuck with their cheap plasticy exteriors covered in hideous carrier logos and loaded up with carrier bloatware. Hopefully Apple finally drops that bomb this fall.

Doesn't matter if they can't compete at the same level. They only need to compete. And clearly they are and are being successful.
 
Sounds like when Microsoft said years ago that wanted to "****** kill Google".

I think that's what Steve Ballmer was quoted saying.
Now he is out of MS and Google is still around.
Most of you probably would remember how he made fun of the iPhone when it was announced.
 
I know. You already told us you did that for the sake of discussion and in spirit of that I followed along the same path debunking your claims that no matter what, the consumer always benefits from competition.

Where do consumers not benefit? Could they benefit more from something new and different? Yes they could. But that doesn't preclude them from benefiting from iterative advances as well. Iterative advances are all we are getting right now anyway.
 
Newsflash ..

Apple wants to beat Samsung wants to beat Apple wants to beat Samsung wants to beat Apple....................................... Sounds like ... what's the word ... comi .. no .. combi ... no .. compe .. competition .. that's the one ..

But can we punish Samsung for trying to beat Apple when Samsung does it illegally?

This is not the same as Apple trying to beat Samsung, where they are doing it legally.
 
Where do consumers not benefit? Could they benefit more from something new and different? Yes they could. But that doesn't preclude them from benefiting from iterative advances as well. Iterative advances are all we are getting right now anyway.

You excused copying by saying that consumer always benefits anyway, I pointed out that's not automagically the case.
 
But can we punish Samsung for trying to beat Apple when Samsung does it illegally?

This is not the same as Apple trying to beat Samsung, where they are doing it legally.

If what Samsung did was illegal, of course.

Just like it was ok to punish Apple for their illegal activity of collusion with publishers.

I support the process of the courts. I don't always agree with them, but I value the process.
 
That's completely unrelated to the article about the screen size, which was referenced in the post I quoted.

It's definitely related: the screen size article is taken as example to support the post's core argument: "All companies fall behind in some aspects and then play catch up based on competitors.".

As you correctly point out the screen size example is not yet realized: it will be if and when Apple releases a larger screen smartphone similar to the competitors. The article I reference provide a much better example, citing an email from Steve Jobs expressing exactly the same concern (iOS falling behind in some areas and having to catch up) and providing some specific examples: Jobs mentions notifications and later versions of iOS were clearly inspired by Android's solutions in that area.
 
It's definitely related: the screen size article is taken as example to support the post's core argument: "All companies fall behind in some aspects and then play catch up based on competitors.".

As you correctly point out the screen size example is not yet realized: it will be if and when Apple releases a larger screen smartphone similar to the competitors. The article I reference provide a much better example, citing an email from Steve Jobs expressing exactly the same concern (iOS falling behind in some areas and having to catch up) and providing some specific examples: Jobs mentions notifications and later versions of iOS were clearly inspired by Android's solutions in that area.

It's not related to my point, at all. The section in bold is exactly my point. Your link is not a much better example at all, it's further removed from the discussion of screen sizes, it doesn't confirm that apple will make a larger screen phone.
 
Poor little Samsung

Samsung is scared. This explains why all their commercials do is bash Apple products. Maybe they should try promoting their products, instead of just bashing others.
 
A larger screen iPhone will blow Samsung out of the water. It's their only real edge. They'll be begging for mercy soon enough. My dad had an iPhone and switched to Samsung for a simple reason...he's an old fart with bad eye sight and needs the larger screen. No other reason.

The US population is full of aging baby boomers who need big screens. So Apple needs to make a larger iPhone simply as a UI issue. The second they do, I'm recycling his Samsung and getting him an iPhone.

As for a young stud like myself :D, I'll upgrade to the larger iPhone as well, but simply because I use it heavily as a work tool and the extra screen space will be useful.

I don't get this argument for big screens though? They're big screens but the resolutions are just as high so everything is just as small, there's just more space for more small stuff.
 
It's called discovery and completely legal. Put down the tin foil ;)



This should be no surprise to anyone. All companies pay attention to their competitors - no matter how big or small.

That's true of Samsung, Apple, Ford, Pepsi, McDonalds, ATT, etc

Are people REALLY surprised by these documents?!

I think the point the person you quoted was trying to make, was that Apple was paying attention to ALL competitors, whereas Samsung seems to be OBSESSED solely with Apple. They're literally obsessed with Apple, they want what Apple has. They want the products, they want the customers, they want the brand image, they want to be Apple so bad its pathetic.
 
It's not related to my point, at all. The section in bold is exactly my point. Your link is not a much better example at all, it's further removed from the discussion of screen sizes, it doesn't confirm that apple will make a larger screen phone.

If your point is only about the screen size example we both agree it's not (yet) supporting the poster's argument. What I wanted to point out that there are other, better examples which definately support the poster's argument.
 
Shame Apple's #1 priority isn't to beat Samsung/Google.

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Samsung is scared. This explains why all their commercials do is bash Apple products. Maybe they should try promoting their products, instead of just bashing others.

No, it doesn't.
Commercials bashing competitors *work*. That is why you don't see positive advertisements during political campaigns. Because they don't work.
 
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