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Samsung's Goals for 2012: 'Beating Apple is #1 Priority'

why are people on here claiming samsung infringing patents is great for competition. last time i looked apple was granted rights on these patents meaning only they can use them forcing samsung to invent something else, this drives forward competition not allowing infringement.

Samsung is in the wrong here and should have had the products removed before they ever entered the market to avoid these billion dollar claims that only force prices of handsets up and up.
 
alexgowers said:
why are people on here claiming samsung infringing patents is great for competition. last time i looked apple was granted rights on these patents meaning only they can use them forcing samsung to invent something else, this drives forward competition not allowing infringement.

Samsung is in the wrong here and should have had the products removed before they ever entered the market to avoid these billion dollar claims that only force prices of handsets up and up.
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because all of that bs leads to stagnation and is bad for the consumer
 
rye9 said:
You are aware of the very recent Macrumors article that Apple is aware of customer wants for larger phones and thus plan on releasing them, right? All companies fall behind in some aspects and then play catch up based on competitors. Sure, apple beat samsung in the areas you listed, but Apple isn't perfect. I know you didn't say that, but it seems an unfair statement to say what you said without mentioning that Apple is "copying" competitors themselves by releasing larger screen phones
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Really? You're going to equate increasing screen size with copying?

IP law protects novel ideas and unique implementations, not silly things like screen sizes. Apple isn't "copying" Android phones by considering larger screen sizes, they are responding to to the market.

It's the same thing as Samsung's fingerprint scanner implementation... (intelligent) people aren't saying they copied Apple on that aspect.
 
alexgowers said:
why are people on here claiming samsung infringing patents is great for competition. last time i looked apple was granted rights on these patents meaning only they can use them forcing samsung to invent something else, this drives forward competition not allowing infringement.

Samsung is in the wrong here and should have had the products removed before they ever entered the market to avoid these billion dollar claims that only force prices of handsets up and up.
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Because as has been argued on here many times over, some of the patents are stupid and should not be allowed, also some of the patents Apple has got and won cases with in the US it has lost cases with those same patents in other country's.

The entire system is broken and it's very worrying how very large American corporations want to lobby the government in some way to fix the patent system from apparent patent trolls, yet they will only be ensuring it's better for themselves.
 
This is exactly what's wrong with this industry.

Too many companies are using all their time trying to outdo and copy one another rather than focusing on what consumers actually want.
 
If thats your number one concern you've already failed. Forget the building a better product or consumer experience. Those are secondary.
 
samcraig said:
Right.


- tie all of our products together, so we further lock customers into our ecosystem

http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4244355/DX489_Rev_03-07-14.pdf
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And your point? This issue of being locked into an ecosystem has always been subjective. You view that as a bad thing, but at the same time, many others appreciate the simplicity and ease of use of being in such a well put and safe walled garden.

Yes, people do still have a choice.
 
Meandmunch said:
If thats your number one concern you've already failed. Forget the building a better product or consumer experience. Those are secondary.
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I second this! Do your own thing and the rest will follow (if you're really good at whatever you do). It may sound too idealistic but that's how things are in the real world!
 
lilo777 said:
They slipped a little last quarter because of special circumstances but according to yahoo Finance:

Apple: Gross Profit (ttm): 64.30B ($US)
Samsung: Gross Profit (ttm): 91.00T (Korean Won) - which translates to $86B

There are other metrics (like EBITDA) where Apple is a slightly ahead but to claim that Apple is much more profitable than Samsung is a gross lie.

I am in US, I am not with Verizon (I am with AT&T) and I can't remember last time when I did not have LTE coverage.
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See this is why everyone here recognizes you for what you are. You're trying to count the profits Samsung's entire conglomerate makes when we were discussing the profits Apple makes in smartphones compared to Samsung. Apple makes the majority of smartphone profits in the industry. I know it hurts you to hear that but its the truth. And counting what Samsung makes in shipbuilding, TVs, and the many different other industries it is involved in is not going to change that fact.

Again, Apple was a computer company with no phone experience and came into Samsung's industry and basically stole all the money out of it. Android is basically made up of all the failed companies Apple decimated. Samsung let Apple come in and walk away with the majority of the profit, the largest ecosystem, and a huge developer following with the best apps in the industry.

How could they let Apple do that to them when they had decades worth of a head start? This is just terrible for Samsung and the rest of the Android manufacturers. Hell, most of them are actually losing money. It must pain them to look at Apple and see what they could have been if they had innovated. Now they have to just sit and wait for Daddy Google to give them an OS so they can throw a skin on top of it and call it "innovation". Pathetic.
 
Pretty dumb strategic goal to "beat Apple". It rings the same as many Chinese companies that I visited that had as a strategic goal "to become the most respected company". It doesn't mean anything, and shareholders should be wary of companies like this.

How about making the best products that fulfill a real market need, providing the best customer service at a reasonable price?

Until now Samsung has only been able to provide good pricing. They will only be able to beat Apple if they also excell in the other two.
 
newagemac said:
See this is why everyone here recognizes you for what you are. You're trying to count the profits Samsung's entire conglomerate makes when we were discussing the profits Apple makes in smartphones compared to Samsung. Apple makes the majority of smartphone profits in the industry. I know it hurts you to hear that but its the truth. And counting what Samsung makes in shipbuilding, TVs, and the many different other industries it is involved in is not going to change that fact.

Again, Apple was a computer company with no phone experience and came into Samsung's industry and basically stole all the money out of it. Android is basically made up of all the failed companies Apple decimated. Samsung let Apple come in and walk away with the majority of the profit, the largest ecosystem, and a huge developer following with the best apps in the industry.

How could they let Apple do that to them when they had decades worth of a head start? This is just terrible for Samsung and the rest of the Android manufacturers. Hell, most of them are actually losing money. It must pain them to look at Apple and see what they could have been if they had innovated. Now they have to just sit and wait for Daddy Google to give them an OS so they can throw a skin on top of it and call it "innovation". Pathetic.
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These profits are not for Samsung "conglomerate". These are profits are just for Samsung Electronics and the majority of them also comes from Samsung mobile division as other divisions have lower profit margins.

And as far as innovation is concerned... Samsung has way more patents than Apple does (something like order of magnitude) - that is if we do not count Nortel patents bought by Apple.
 
100% the reason why they never will. This is not the way to inspire or innovate. "Everything you can do I can do better" is doomed from the start and does nothing to build personality or brand beyond sounding desperate and behind the curve.

Why do MS and Samsung continue to do this and center their advertising on it?
 
Icaras said:
And your point? This issue of being locked into an ecosystem has always been subjective. You view that as a bad thing, but at the same time, many others appreciate the simplicity and ease of use of being in such a well put and safe walled garden.

Yes, people do still have a choice.
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I didn't say it was a bad thing. I simply said that Apple cares just as much about profiteering and what's best for them (as they should) as Samsung.
 
This feud with Samsung is more trouble than its worth. If they had just responded to the obvious demand for a bigger iPhone quicker rather than sticking their heads up their ass they wouldn't be in this mess now.

IMO Apple needs to re-invent itself with a fresh new management team otherwise this is going to be the start of a very painful decline.
 
Shaun said:
This feud with Samsung is more trouble than its worth. If they had just responded to the obvious demand for a bigger iPhone quicker rather than sticking their heads up their ass they wouldn't be in this mess now.

IMO Apple needs to re-invent itself with a fresh new management team otherwise this is going to be the start of a very painful decline.
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Apple just had another record quarter and is dominating the competition. Apple makes more money from smartphones than any other company in the industry. So Samsung, HTC, Sony, Motorola, and all the rest of the Android manufacturers would love to be in the "mess" Apple is in.

Blackberry, Palm, HP, Dell, and Nokia as well. I'm sure there are others I forgot. Apple has put so many out of the phone business so far it's hard to keep up.
 
lilo777 said:
And as far as innovation is concerned... Samsung has way more patents than Apple does (something like order of magnitude) - that is if we do not count Nortel patents bought by Apple.
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As a consumer I don't care about the amount of patents a company has. If that were the case I would still have a Nokia.

What matters to me is the quality of the product and the extent in which the products fulfill my personal needs. That's why Samsung keeps striking out with me.
 
The only way to settle this is for Oh-Hyun Kwon and Tim Cook to get in the ring and duke it out like real men. Winner take all. :D
 
lilo777 said:
These profits are not for Samsung "conglomerate". These are profits are just for Samsung Electronics and the majority of them also comes from Samsung mobile division as other divisions have lower profit margins.

And as far as innovation is concerned... Samsung has way more patents than Apple does (something like order of magnitude) - that is if we do not count Nortel patents bought by Apple.
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So you're including TVs and other electronics. You're making yourself look bad. Why not just stop instead of continuing to dig? Samsung let Apple come into their industry and take their cookies. And they had DECADES of a head start. It is beyond me that they could let a company come in and do this to them the way Apple has. Now Apple is sitting as king of the industry with only a few years of experience making phones. How did Samsung and all the other Android manufactures with their decades of experience making phones allow this to happen?
 
subsonix said:
Well the part I quoted and made a comment about, is this:
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Which part of "If your point is only about the screen size example we both agree it's not (yet) supporting the poster's argument" is not clear? The poster chose a weak argument to support his argument which you correctly dismissed. I felt like providing a much better example which clearly support said argument. I'm sorry but I don't know how to better explain this to you.
 
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